16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776592 0 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-0 C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776593 1 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-0 C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 778066 2 Cy 261007-0 I Yn y fersiwn ddwyieithog, mae’r golofn chwith yn cynnwys yr iaith a lefarwyd yn y cyfarfod. Mae’r golofn dde yn cynnwys cyfieithiad o’r areithiau hynny. Mae [R] yn dynodi bod yr Aelod wedi datgan buddiant wrth gyflwyno’r busnes. In the bilingual version, the left-hand column includes the language used during the meeting. The right-hand column includes a translation of those speeches. [R] indicates that the Member has declared an interest when tabling the business. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776591 3 Cy 261007-0 I Cyfarfu'r Senedd yn y Siambr a thrwy gynhadledd fideo am 13:30 gyda'r Dirprwy Lywydd (Kerry Ferguson) yn y Gadair.  The Senedd met in the Chamber and by video-conference at 13:30 with the Dirprwy Lywydd (Kerry Ferguson) in the Chair. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776602 4 Cy 2026-10-07T13:30:01 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2158&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2158&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Prynhawn da a chroeso i'r Siambr. Eitem 1 ar yr agenda, cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal. Cwestiwn 1, Anna Nicholl. Good afternoon and welcome to the Chamber. Item 1 on our agenda is questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care. Question 1, Anna Nicholl. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776594 5 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Gofal Integredig mewn Ardaloedd Gwledig Integrated Care in Rural Areas 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776595 6 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 12178 12178 Anna Nicholl AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 Nicholl, Anna 1. Pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cymryd i gefnogi gofal integredig mewn ardaloedd gwledig? OQ64669 1. What action is the Government taking to support integrated care in rural areas? OQ64669 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776596 7 Cy 2026-10-07T13:30:20 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2177&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2177&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 Cabinet Minister for Health and Care Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal ap Gwynfor, Mabon Diolch am y cwestiwn. Yn unol â'n hymrwymiad ni yn y rhaglen lywodraethu, mae ein fframwaith system gofal cymunedol integredig yn dod â phartneriaid o'r sectorau iechyd, gofal cymdeithasol, tai a'r trydydd sector ynghyd i edrych ar anghenion lleol. Drwy'r gronfa integreiddio rhanbarthol a'r gronfa gyfalaf integreiddio ac ailgydbwyso, rydyn ni’n cefnogi gwasanaethau ataliol, gofal yn agosach at y cartref a chanolfannau lles integredig, gan gynnwys mewn cymunedau gwledig. In line with our programme for government commitment, our integrated community care system framework brings health, social care, housing and third-sector partners together around local needs. Through the regional integration fund and integration and rebalancing capital fund, we are supporting preventative services, care closer to home and integrated well-being hubs, including in rural communities. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776612 8 Cy 2026-10-07T13:30:50 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2207&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2207&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12178 12178 Anna Nicholl AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12178 Nicholl, Anna Diolch. Weinidog Cabinet, dwi eisoes wedi codi pa mor bwysig yw canolfannau gofal integredig wrth ddarparu gofal yn agosach i gartref. Ond gall system integredig ddim llwyddo heb isadeiledd gofal sylfaenol cynaliadwy. Yn rhy aml, mae meddygfeydd yn gweithio o hen adeiladau sydd ddim wedi eu dylunio ar gyfer gwasanaethau rydym ni bellach yn ei disgwyl. Ac mae fy etholwyr yn cysylltu nid yn unig ynglŷn â'r anhawster o gael apwyntiad meddyg, ond am feddygfeydd yn cau i lawr yn gyfan gwbl. Dwi wedi clywed y gofidion yma gan etholwyr yn Nhyddewi, Cei Newydd, Solfach, Doc Penfro, ac ar draws Ceredigion Penfro. O ystyried ymrwymiad y Llywodraeth i atal a lleihau pwysau ar ysbytai, ydy'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn cytuno y dylid gweld buddsoddiad mewn gofal sylfaenol fel rhan greiddiol o ofal integredig? Thank you. Cabinet Minister. I have already raised how important integrated care centres are in providing care closer to home, but an integrated system cannot succeed without a sustainable primary care infrastructure. Too often, surgeries operate from old buildings that have not been designed for the services that we now expect. And my constituents get in touch with me not only because of the difficulties in getting a doctor's appointment, but as a result of surgeries closing completely. I have heard these concerns from constituents in St David's, Solva, Pembroke Dock and across Ceredigion Penfro. Given the Government's commitment to preventing and reducing pressure on hospitals, does the Cabinet Minister agree that investment in primary care should be seen as a core part of integrated care?  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776615 9 Cy 2026-10-07T13:31:52 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2269&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2269&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Diolch. Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae'r Aelod yn gwneud pwynt pwysig yn fanna o ran rôl gofal integredig yn agosach i gartref ac, wrth gwrs, dyna rydym ni'n trio ei wneud ar hyn o bryd. Mi rydyn ni wedi delifro ar yr ymrwymiad a wnaethom ni yn ystod y 100 diwrnod cyntaf er mwyn cael y byrddau iechyd i ddatblygu cynlluniau er mwyn sifftio'r adnoddau i'r gymuned—0.5 y cant o'r ariannu blynyddol yna ydy'r gofyniad, ac maen nhw'n dod â chynlluniau ger fy mron i cyn bo hir. Dwi wedi ei wneud yn glir mai'r disgwyliad ydy eu bod nhw'n gwneud hynny yn fuan. Un o'r ymrwymiadau wnaethom ni yn y rhaglen lywodraethu, os ydych chi'n cofio, Ddirprwy Lywydd, ydy sicrhau bod mwy o ofal integredig yn cael ei ddelifro yn agosach i gartref er mwyn sicrhau gofal yn agosach i gartref, gofal ataliol yna, mwy o gefnogaeth diagnosis cynt, ac atal pobl rhag mynd i'r ysbyty. Felly, mae hynna'n rhan ganolog o'r hyn rydym ni'n ei wneud. Mi ydyn ni wedi sicrhau bod yna ddatblygiad yn mynd i fod yn sir Benfro, yn ardal yr Aelod, gydag arian cyfalaf o £1.6 miliwn yn cael ei roi i Fwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Hywel Dda er mwyn datblygu cynllun busnes ar gyfer canolfan o'r fath yn Abergwaun, a dwi'n edrych ymlaen at weld y cynlluniau yn dod ger fy mron. Byddwn i'n hapus i gadw'r Aelod yn wybyddus o beth sy'n digwydd os ydy hi'n dymuno. Diolch. Thank you. Dirprwy Lywydd, the Member makes an important point there in terms of the role of integrated care closer to home, and, of course, that's what we're trying to do at the moment. We have delivered on the commitment that we made during our first 100 days in order to get the health boards to develop plans to shift resources into the community—0.5 per cent of that annual funding is the requirement, and they are bringing plans before me soon. I have made it clear that the expectation is that they should do that soon. One of the commitments that we made in the programme for government, if you recall, Dirprwy Lywydd, was to ensure that more integrated care is delivered closer to home in order to ensure care closer to home, preventative services, increasing earlier diagnostic services, and to prevent people from having to go to hospital. So, that's a central part of what we are doing. We have ensured that there will be development in Pembrokeshire, in the area covered by the Member, with capital investment of £1.6 million provided to Hywel Dda University Health Board in order to develop a business case for such a centre in Fishguard, and I look forward to seeing those plans come before me. I would be happy to keep the Member informed of developments if she wishes. Thank you. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776648 10 En 2026-10-07T13:33:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2361&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2361&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12179 12179 Claire Archibald AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12179 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12179 Archibald, Claire Thank you, Minister, and it's good to hear that you are talking about integrated care, because you know that's something I'm incredibly passionate about, as we've spoken about it. But today, obviously, I want to talk about something a little bit different, which is that you've increasingly promoted digital and remote health services as a pathway to improving access to care. However, many residents in rural parts of Ceredigion Penfro continue to face poor mobile coverage and unreliable broadband, leading to barriers to using digital technology. Can the Minister explain how the Government is ensuring that the expansion of digital healthcare does not disadvantage rural patients? And what assessment has been made as to whether people in west Wales can access services equally, regardless of where they live? Diolch. Diolch, Weinidog, ac mae'n dda eich clywed yn sôn am ofal integredig, gan y gwyddoch fod hynny'n rhywbeth rwy'n angerddol iawn amdano, gan ein bod wedi siarad amdano. Ond heddiw, yn amlwg, hoffwn sôn am rywbeth ychydig yn wahanol, sef eich bod chi wedi hyrwyddo gwasanaethau iechyd digidol ac o bell yn gynyddol fel llwybr i wella mynediad at ofal. Fodd bynnag, mae llawer o drigolion mewn rhannau gwledig o Geredigion Penfro yn parhau i wynebu signal ffonau symudol gwael a band eang annibynadwy, gan arwain at rwystrau i ddefnyddio technoleg ddigidol. A all y Gweinidog esbonio sut y mae'r Llywodraeth yn sicrhau nad yw'r broses o ehangu gofal iechyd digidol yn rhoi cleifion gwledig o dan anfantais? A pha asesiad a wnaed o allu pobl yn y gorllewin i gael mynediad cyfartal at wasanaethau, ble bynnag y maent yn byw? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776649 11 En 2026-10-07T13:34:08 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2405&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2405&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thanks for that. You do make a very important point about accessibility in rural communities, or the lack of accessibility. That's why this Government has put forward the rural-proofing plan, so that, whenever a policy is developed or whenever anything is initiated from this Government, it is rural-proofed—we ensure that rurality is considered when rolling that out. And that applies to discussions around mobile coverage as well as everything else. When it comes to digital connectivity, Hywel Dda is ahead of the game in many respects when it comes to ensuring that we have improved digital connectivity and digital systems in the health board. What we need to see is that the digital systems that we've got in Hywel Dda are linked with social care as well and linked with other national health services. That is a weakness in the system. That's something we're looking at as part of the 10-year digital health programme. Diolch am hynny. Rydych chi'n gwneud pwynt pwysig iawn ynglŷn â hygyrchedd mewn cymunedau gwledig, neu ddiffyg hygyrchedd. Dyna pam y mae'r Llywodraeth hon wedi cyflwyno'r cynllun prawfesur gwledig, er mwyn sicrhau, pryd bynnag y datblygir polisi neu y cychwynnir unrhyw beth gan y Llywodraeth hon, ei fod yn addas ar gyfer cefn gwlad—rydym yn sicrhau bod gwledigrwydd yn cael ei ystyried wrth ei gyflwyno. Ac mae hynny'n berthnasol i drafodaethau ynghylch signal ffonau symudol yn ogystal â phopeth arall. O ran cysylltedd digidol, mae bwrdd Hywel Dda ar y blaen mewn sawl ffordd o ran sicrhau bod gennym well cysylltedd digidol a systemau digidol yn y bwrdd iechyd. Yr hyn sydd angen i ni ei weld yw bod y systemau digidol sydd gennym ym mwrdd Hywel Dda wedi'u cysylltu â gofal cymdeithasol hefyd ac wedi'u cysylltu â gwasanaethau iechyd gwladol eraill. Mae hynny'n wendid yn y system. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth rydym yn edrych arno yn rhan o'r rhaglen iechyd ddigidol 10 mlynedd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776604 12 En 2026-10-07T13:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2457&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2457&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776605 13 En 2026-10-07T13:35:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2462&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2462&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 143 143 Andrew R.T. Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 Davies, Andrew R.T. Minister, the energy pressure that is affecting the whole economy is immense at the moment. The care and health sector are feeling those pressures more acutely than most, given the environment they work in, and especially in a rural setting, where fuel for hospital transport, for example, is a big component of delivering that service. In 2022, when we had the last energy spike, the then health Minister said that the health service and social care sector had just had an unexpected energy bill of £200 million plus because of the Ukrainian crisis. Are you seeing those sorts of figures feeding through because of the crisis in the gulf, given that they happened at virtually the same time of year, in the February of that year, and we're now in the autumn? And if that energy pressure is building, and costing that much money to the health and social care sector, are you making a request to the finance Minister to support health boards and social care providers to meet these energy costs, or will they be expected to use their budgets as allocated? Weinidog, mae'r pwysau ynni sy'n effeithio ar yr economi gyfan yn aruthrol ar hyn o bryd. Mae'r sector gofal ac iechyd yn teimlo'r pwysau hwnnw'n fwy difrifol na'r rhan fwyaf o bobl, o ystyried yr amgylchedd y maent yn gweithio ynddo, ac yn enwedig mewn lleoliad gwledig, lle mae tanwydd ar gyfer cludiant ysbyty, er enghraifft, yn elfen fawr o ddarparu'r gwasanaeth hwnnw. Yn 2022, pan gawsom y cynnydd sydyn diwethaf yng nghostau ynni, dywedodd y Gweinidog iechyd ar y pryd fod y sector iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol newydd gael bil ynni annisgwyl o dros £200 miliwn oherwydd yr argyfwng yn Wcráin. A ydych chi'n gweld y mathau hynny o ffigurau'n codi oherwydd yr argyfwng yn y gwlff, o ystyried eu bod wedi digwydd bron ar yr un adeg o'r flwyddyn, ym mis Chwefror y flwyddyn honno, ac rydym nawr yn yr hydref? Ac os yw'r pwysau ynni hwnnw'n cynyddu, ac yn costio cymaint o arian i'r sector iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol, a ydych chi'n gwneud cais i'r Gweinidog cyllid i gefnogi byrddau iechyd a darparwyr gofal cymdeithasol i dalu am y costau ynni hyn, neu a fydd disgwyl iddynt ddefnyddio eu cyllidebau fel y'u dyrannwyd? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776607 14 En 2026-10-07T13:36:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2528&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2528&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thanks for the question, and we do appreciate and understand that a lot of people, organisations and businesses across Wales will be feeling the squeeze over the coming months as energy costs increase. My officials are continuously monitoring the situation. At the moment, it doesn't look like we've got any price spikes coming through from the health sector, or demands coming through. But, as I said, we are monitoring that, and if the issue should arise, then I will be immediately dealing with the case and talking to my colleagues here in Government. Diolch am eich cwestiwn, ac rydym yn gwerthfawrogi ac yn deall y bydd llawer o bobl, sefydliadau a busnesau ledled Cymru yn teimlo'r pwysau dros y misoedd nesaf wrth i gostau ynni gynyddu. Mae fy swyddogion yn monitro'r sefyllfa'n barhaus. Ar hyn o bryd, nid yw'n edrych fel pe bai gennym unrhyw godiadau sydyn i brisiau na galwadau wedi bod o'r sector iechyd. Ond fel y dywedais, rydym yn monitro hynny, ac os yw'r mater yn codi, byddaf yn delio â'r achos ar unwaith ac yn siarad gyda fy nghyd-Aelodau yma yn y Llywodraeth. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776608 15 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Cludiant Cleifion nad yw’n Gludiant Brys Non-emergency Patient Transport Service 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776609 16 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen 2. Sut y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn monitro achosion lle mae Ymddiriedolaeth GIG Gwasanaethau Ambiwlans Cymru yn canslo cludiant cleifion nad yw’n gludiant brys ar fyr rybudd yn Sir Fynwy Torfaen? OQ64614 2. How is the Welsh Government monitoring late cancellations by the Welsh Ambulance Services NHS Trust of non-emergency patient transport in Monmouthshire and Torfaen? OQ64614 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776610 17 En 2026-10-07T13:36:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2576&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2576&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thank you for the question. The NHS Wales Joint Commissioning Committee holds the Welsh Ambulance Services University NHS Trust to account through routine performance scrutiny, including cancellation trends, causes and geographical patterns. WAST’s improvement programme is strengthening reporting and action to reduce late cancellations, improve communication and provide a more reliable service for patients in Monmouthshire Torfaen and across Wales. Diolch am eich cwestiwn. Mae Cyd-bwyllgor Comisiynu GIG Cymru yn dwyn Ymddiriedolaeth Brifysgol GIG Gwasanaethau Ambiwlans Cymru i gyfrif drwy graffu'n gyson ar berfformiad, gan gynnwys tueddiadau canslo, achosion a phatrymau daearyddol. Mae rhaglen wella Ymddiriedolaeth Gwasanaethau Ambiwlans Cymru yn cryfhau adrodd a chamau gweithredu i leihau nifer yr achosion o ganslo'n hwyr, gwella cyfathrebu a darparu gwasanaeth mwy dibynadwy i gleifion yn Sir Fynwy Torfaen a ledled Cymru. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776611 18 En 2026-10-07T13:37:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2599&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2599&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12160 12160 Stephen Senior AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12160 Senior, Stephen Cabinet Minister, the Welsh ambulance service quite rightly complains that patients cancel non-emergency transport at the last minute, with it reported that 20,000 had been cancelled until July, and around 60,000 last year. However, it seems that no such monitoring happens when the service itself cancels transport. Indeed, a recent consultation on the proposed changes to the service contained this statement: 'Demand for transport continues to increase, and journeys regularly have to be cancelled because demand exceeded available capacity.'  In other words, bookings are taken for seats that might not even exist. That's a failure of organisation and a real failure of the NHS. Very recently, a care home in my constituency was instructed that a resident would be collected earlier than planned, otherwise the transport would be cancelled. The home managed to comply, but it was stressful, and the patient arrived two hours early for her appointment and was out of the care home for over five hours. This is wholly unacceptable. Cabinet Minister, cancelled transport means wasted NHS appointment time and undue stress on patients and carers. Will you instruct your officials to establish the extent of the problem, the causes and the solutions? Weinidog Cabinet, mae gwasanaeth ambiwlans Cymru yn cwyno, yn gywir ddigon, fod cleifion yn canslo cludiant mewn achosion nad ydynt yn rhai brys ar y funud olaf, gan nodi bod 20,000 wedi’u canslo hyd at fis Gorffennaf, ac oddeutu 60,000 y llynedd. Fodd bynnag, ymddengys nad oes unrhyw fonitro o’r fath pan fydd y gwasanaeth ei hun yn canslo cludiant. Yn wir, roedd ymgynghoriad diweddar ar y newidiadau arfaethedig i’r gwasanaeth yn cynnwys y datganiad hwn: 'Mae'r galw am drafnidiaeth yn parhau i gynyddu ac mae'n rhaid canslo teithiau'n rheolaidd oherwydd bod y galw'n fwy na'r capasiti sydd ar gael.' Mewn geiriau eraill, mae archebion yn cael eu cymryd ar gyfer seddau nad ydynt yn bodoli hyd yn oed o bosibl. Mae hynny'n fethiant trefniadol ac yn fethiant gwirioneddol gan y GIG. Yn ddiweddar iawn, dywedwyd wrth gartref gofal yn fy etholaeth y byddai'n rhaid i breswylydd gael ei chasglu'n gynharach nag a gynlluniwyd, neu byddai'n rhaid canslo'r cludiant. Llwyddodd y cartref i gydymffurfio, ond roedd yn llawer o straen, a chyrhaeddodd y claf ddwy awr yn gynnar ar gyfer ei hapwyntiad ac roedd allan o'r cartref gofal am dros bum awr. Mae hyn yn gwbl annerbyniol. Weinidog Cabinet, mae cludiant wedi'i ganslo yn golygu gwastraffu amser apwyntiadau'r GIG, a straen gormodol ar gleifion a gofalwyr. A wnewch chi gyfarwyddo eich swyddogion i geisio deall maint y broblem, yr achosion a'r atebion? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776613 19 En 2026-10-07T13:38:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2674&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2674&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon You're absolutely right to highlight the impact that cancellations can have on some of the most vulnerable people in our communities. Access to healthcare isn't just about the appointment itself, as you rightly say; it's also about ensuring that people can travel to and from that appointment safely and reliably. This is precisely why the NHS Wales Joint Commissioning Committee, and the Welsh ambulance services NHS trust have accepted the need for further improvement in non-emergency patient transport services. For many people, reliable transport is not a convenience; it's what makes access to healthcare possible. The focus of the trust's improvement programme is therefore on improving reliability, reducing avoidable cancellations, and ensuring those with the greatest need and who meet the eligibility criteria for transport are able to get to appointments and back home safely, and with dignity. This programme includes a public engagement exercise that is currently live, and I encourage service users to contribute to ensure all voices are heard. Rydych chi'n llygad eich lle i dynnu sylw at yr effaith y gall canslo apwyntiadau ei chael ar rai o'r bobl fwyaf agored i niwed yn ein cymunedau. Mae a wnelo mynediad at ofal iechyd â mwy na'r apwyntiad ei hun, fel y dywedwch yn gywir ddigon; mae a wnelo hefyd â sicrhau y gall pobl deithio'n ddiogel ac yn ddibynadwy i'r apwyntiad hwnnw ac oddi yno. Dyma'n union pam y mae Cyd-bwyllgor Comisiynu GIG Cymru, ac Ymddiriedolaeth GIG Gwasanaethau Ambiwlans Cymru wedi derbyn yr angen am welliant pellach mewn gwasanaethau cludo cleifion mewn achosion nad ydynt yn rhai brys. I lawer o bobl, nid cyfleustra yw cludiant dibynadwy; dyma sy'n gwneud mynediad at ofal iechyd yn bosibl. Felly, mae rhaglen wella'r ymddiriedolaeth yn canolbwyntio ar wella dibynadwyedd, lleihau achosion o ganslo y gellir ei osgoi, a sicrhau bod y rhai sydd â'r angen mwyaf ac sy'n bodloni'r meini prawf cymhwystra ar gyfer cludiant yn gallu cyrraedd apwyntiadau a dychwelyd adref yn ddiogel, a chydag urddas. Mae'r rhaglen hon yn cynnwys ymarfer ymgysylltu â'r cyhoedd sy'n mynd rhagddo ar hyn o bryd, ac rwy'n annog defnyddwyr gwasanaeth i gyfrannu i sicrhau bod pob llais yn cael ei glywed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776619 20 En 2026-10-07T13:39:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2733&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2733&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew Gweinidog, getting to and from appointments using NHS-provided transport or public transport is a significant challenge in Sir Fynwy Torfaen, as we've just heard, and one that affects those who are already the most vulnerable. I've heard accounts of constituents who have been unable to secure transport home from hospitals after treatment, and even having to pay for hotels just to make early appointments. For those without enough money to pay or without supportive friends and family, appointments can be missed, and people struggling may have to pay large sums for taxis. For those less well-off, the effects are severe. So, what steps is the Government taking to make sure the most vulnerable in our society can get to and from essential appointments and treatments safely? Diolch. Weinidog, mae mynd i apwyntiadau ac yn ôl gan ddefnyddio cludiant a ddarperir gan y GIG neu gludiant cyhoeddus yn her sylweddol yn Sir Fynwy Torfaen, fel rydym newydd ei glywed, ac yn effeithio ar y rhai sydd fwyaf agored i niwed eisoes. Rwyf wedi clywed straeon am etholwyr sydd wedi methu sicrhau cludiant adref o ysbytai ar ôl triniaeth, a hyd yn oed wedi gorfod talu am westai er mwyn cyrraedd apwyntiadau cynnar. I'r rhai nad oes ganddynt ddigon o arian i dalu, neu ffrindiau a theulu cefnogol, gallant fethu apwyntiadau, ac efallai y bydd yn rhaid i bobl sydd eisoes o dan bwysau dalu llawer o arian am dacsis. I'r rhai llai cefnog, mae'r effeithiau'n ddifrifol. Felly, pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cymryd i sicrhau y gall y rhai mwyaf agored i niwed yn ein cymdeithas fynd a dod yn ddiogel o apwyntiadau a thriniaethau hanfodol? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776606 21 En 2026-10-07T13:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2757&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2757&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776614 22 En 2026-10-07T13:40:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2786&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2786&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thank you for that supplementary question, which makes a crucial point about the access to public transport and the links of public transport to our health organisations. I was at Llantrisant Health Park recently—you might have seen the new development there—and one of the first questions I asked was about access on public transport in order for people to attend appointments at the new Llantrisant Health Park once it's up and running. This applies equally to district general hospitals across Wales, and when you think about the area that you represent and the people there served by the Grange, Nevill Hall, the Royal Gwent, and, in fact, Nevill Hall serves others as well, in Powys. So, it is crucial that we get this right. That's why consideration of access to healthcare is part of the new franchising model that's being rolled out for buses here in Wales. My colleagues and I work closely with the Deputy Minister for Transport, Mark Hooper, and are discussing this regularly. Diolch am eich cwestiwn atodol, sy'n gwneud pwynt hollbwysig ynglŷn â mynediad at drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a chysylltiadau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus â'n sefydliadau iechyd. Roeddwn ym Mharc Iechyd Llantrisant yn ddiweddar—efallai eich bod wedi gweld y datblygiad newydd yno—ac roedd un o'r cwestiynau cyntaf a ofynnais yn ymwneud â mynediad at drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus er mwyn i bobl fynychu apwyntiadau ym Mharc Iechyd newydd Llantrisant pan fydd yn weithredol. Mae hyn yr un mor berthnasol i ysbytai cyffredinol dosbarth ledled Cymru, a phan feddyliwch am yr ardal rydych chi'n ei chynrychioli a'r bobl yno a wasanaethir gan ysbyty'r Faenor, Nevill Hall, Ysbyty Brenhinol Gwent, ac mewn gwirionedd, mae Ysbyty Nevill Hall yn gwasanaethu eraill hefyd, ym Mhowys. Felly, mae'n hanfodol ein bod yn cael hyn yn iawn. Dyna pam y mae ystyried mynediad at ofal iechyd yn rhan o'r model masnachfreinio newydd sy'n cael ei gyflwyno ar gyfer bysiau yma yng Nghymru. Mae fy nghyd-Aelodau a minnau'n gweithio'n agos gyda'r Dirprwy Weinidog dros Drafnidiaeth, Mark Hooper, ac yn trafod hyn yn rheolaidd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776618 23 En 2026-10-07T13:41:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2843&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2843&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 4787 4787 Peter Fox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 Fox, Peter Cabinet Minister, you've answered many of my points, but I'll echo some of the concerns raised by Mr Senior and Mr Jones. In our community, there are many people who often feel disadvantaged because, when that important non-emergency patient transport is cancelled at short notice, it leaves a lot of vulnerable people needing to attend appointments. We've got one constituent who has to have regular trips to a doctor, can't drive, and sometimes she is let down and can't get the access to her treatment. This has incurred £100 taxi fees. Now, she has to have the treatment, but she cannot always afford, obviously, the taxi. So, how is the Welsh Government going to ensure that rural patients are not disproportionately affected by short-notice transport cancellations? Weinidog Cabinet, rydych chi wedi ateb llawer o fy mhwyntiau, ond rwyf am adleisio rhai o'r pryderon a godwyd gan Mr Senior a Mr Jones. Yn ein cymuned ni, mae llawer o bobl sy'n aml yn teimlo dan anfantais, oherwydd pan fydd y gwasanaethau cludo cleifion mewn achosion nad ydynt yn rhai brys yn cael eu canslo ar fyr rybudd, mae'n gadael llawer o bobl agored i niwed sy'n gorfod mynychu apwyntiadau. Mae gennym un etholwr sy'n gorfod mynd i weld meddyg yn rheolaidd, ni all yrru, ac weithiau mae ei chludiant yn cael ei ganslo ac ni all gael mynediad at ei thriniaeth. Mae hyn wedi arwain at ffioedd tacsi o £100. Nawr, mae'n rhaid iddi gael y driniaeth, ond yn amlwg, ni all fforddio tacsi bob amser. Felly, sut y mae Llywodraeth Cymru’n mynd i sicrhau nad yw cleifion mewn ardaloedd gwledig yn cael eu heffeithio'n anghymesur o ganlyniad i ganslo cludiant ar fyr rybudd? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776622 24 En 2026-10-07T13:42:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2903&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2903&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thank you. You make an important point there about the fact that, if people can't access their healthcare, then they have to pay, and it's not exactly free at the point of delivery then. As I said, this is an issue where WAST is conducting a current review, and I would encourage the Member and others to contribute to the review of the non-emergency patient transport service so that we can assess the situation and improve the situation, moving forward. Diolch. Rydych chi'n gwneud pwynt pwysig yno ynglŷn â'r ffaith, os na all pobl gael mynediad at eu gofal iechyd, yna mae'n rhaid iddynt dalu, ac nid yw am ddim pryd a lle bynnag y caiff ei ddarparu bryd hynny. Fel y dywedais, mae hwn yn fater lle mae Ymddiriedolaeth Gwasanaethau Ambiwlans Cymru yn cynnal adolygiad ar hyn o bryd, a buaswn yn annog yr Aelod ac eraill i gyfrannu at yr adolygiad o'r gwasanaeth cludo cleifion mewn achosion nad ydynt yn rhai brys fel y gallwn asesu'r sefyllfa a gwella'r sefyllfa wrth symud ymlaen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776627 25 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Cwestiynau Heb Rybudd gan Lefarwyr y Pleidiau Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776628 26 Cy 2026-10-07T13:42:54 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2931&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2931&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf yn awr ar lefarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Llefarydd Reform UK, Benjamin Hodge Mckenna. I now call on the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. The Reform UK spokesperson, Benjamin Hodge Mckenna. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776631 27 En 2026-10-07T13:43:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2939&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2939&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Minister, I was enjoying the work of the Minister for government effectiveness earlier this week by looking at the new digital dashboards. In the waiting lists section, I'm sure you'll be aware that, unfortunately, they're going in the wrong direction: total waiting lists and two-year waits are both up. Now, I acknowledge you received a terrible inheritance from Welsh Labour, but we're past the first 100 days of your Government now, we're closing in on six months, and we're heading into the winter, where we all know pressures are going to be worse. Now, originally, the First Minister said that two-year waits would be eradicated within months of a Plaid Cymru Government, and then it changed to being within a first year. So, will you take the opportunity today to commit that two-year waits will be eradicated by May of next year, or are you going to move the goalposts again on this issue? Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog, roeddwn yn mwynhau gwaith y Gweinidog dros effeithiolrwydd llywodraeth yn gynharach yr wythnos hon wrth iddo edrych ar y dangosfyrddau digidol newydd. Yn yr adran restrau aros, rwy'n siŵr y byddwch yn ymwybodol, yn anffodus, eu bod yn mynd i'r cyfeiriad anghywir: mae cyfanswm y rhestrau aros a'r arosiadau dwy flynedd wedi cynyddu. Nawr, rwy'n cydnabod eich bod wedi derbyn etifeddiaeth ofnadwy gan Lafur Cymru, ond mae 100 diwrnod cyntaf eich Llywodraeth wedi mynd heibio bellach, rydym yn agosáu at chwe mis, ac rydym yn mynd i mewn i'r gaeaf, lle gŵyr pob un ohonom y bydd y pwysau'n gwaethygu. Nawr, i ddechrau, dywedodd y Prif Weinidog y byddai arosiadau dwy flynedd yn cael eu dileu o fewn misoedd i ethol Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru, ac yna newidiodd i fod o fewn y flwyddyn gyntaf. Felly, a wnewch chi achub ar y cyfle heddiw i ymrwymo y bydd arosiadau dwy flynedd yn cael eu dileu erbyn mis Mai y flwyddyn nesaf, neu a ydych chi'n mynd i symud pyst y gôl eto ar y mater hwn? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776639 28 En 2026-10-07T13:43:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=2991&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=2991&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thanks to the Member for giving me the opportunity to once again respond to questions around waiting lists, which I have exercised quite often over the last few months, so whatever I say won't be new. You are quite right that the numbers are going up currently. That is part of the legacy of what we are dealing with from the previous Government. So, what we did over the summer period was announce the £145 million that is going into tackling the waiting lists—£45 million in capital and £100 million of revenue funds. Then, during the recess period, we had conversations with the health boards and clinicians to draw up the plans for how that funding was going to go into the system, what the plans were going to look like. Health boards provided the final plans to me at the beginning of this month, and that's when the money started to be pumped into the system. Health boards will be paid on delivery of outcomes, not paid upfront. So, yes, while we can expect to see the waiting lists go up when they are announced again this month, for the month of August, once the money is going into the system we can expect to see those waiting lists come down. And, yes, I am confident that we will be hitting the target on the two-year waits. Diolch i'r Aelod am roi'r cyfle imi ymateb unwaith eto i gwestiynau ynghylch rhestrau aros, rhywbeth rwyf wedi'i wneud yn eithaf aml dros yr ychydig fisoedd diwethaf, felly beth bynnag a ddywedaf, ni fydd yn newydd. Rydych chi'n llygad eich lle fod y niferoedd yn codi ar hyn o bryd. Mae hynny'n rhan o'r gwaddol rydym yn delio ag ef gan y Llywodraeth flaenorol. Felly, yr hyn a wnaethom dros gyfnod yr haf oedd cyhoeddi'r £145 miliwn, sy'n mynd tuag at fynd i'r afael â'r rhestrau aros—£45 miliwn mewn cyfalaf a £100 miliwn o gyllid refeniw. Yna, yn ystod y toriad, cawsom sgyrsiau gyda'r byrddau iechyd a chlinigwyr i lunio'r cynlluniau ar gyfer sut y byddai'r cyllid hwnnw'n mynd i mewn i'r system, sut olwg fyddai ar y cynlluniau. Darparodd y byrddau iechyd y cynlluniau terfynol i mi ddechrau'r mis, a dyna pryd y dechreuodd yr arian gael ei bwmpio i mewn i'r system. Bydd byrddau iechyd yn cael eu talu ar ôl i'r canlyniadau gael eu cyflawni, nid ymlaen llaw. Felly, er y gallwn ddisgwyl gweld y rhestrau aros yn cynyddu pan gânt eu cyhoeddi unwaith eto y mis hwn, ar gyfer mis Awst, pan fydd yr arian yn mynd i mewn i'r system, gallwn ddisgwyl gweld y rhestrau aros hynny'n lleihau. Ac ydw, rwy'n hyderus y byddwn yn cyrraedd y targed ar yr arosiadau dwy flynedd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776616 29 En 2026-10-07T13:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3057&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776617 30 En 2026-10-07T13:45:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3066&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3066&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin I'm glad to hear the commitment from you that you will be eradicating two-year waits in May. I hope I'm not going to be stood here holding you to account on that next year. One thing that will impact waiting lists is access to GP surgeries. The number of GPs in Wales has decreased by 106 over the last few years, and the people needing treatment per GP has increased by 30 per cent. I spoke with the BMA last week, who launched the Save our Surgeries campaign. Natasha Asghar from the Welsh Conservatives launched a statement of opinion on this issue. I've supported it, alongside Reform colleagues, Welsh Labour have supported it, and the Liberal Democrats have supported it, but not a single person from Plaid Cymru has supported that statement of opinion, Minister. Why not? Rwy'n falch o glywed yr ymrwymiad gennych y byddwch yn dileu arosiadau dwy flynedd ym mis Mai. Gobeithio na fyddaf yn sefyll yma yn eich dwyn i gyfrif am hynny y flwyddyn nesaf. Un peth a fydd yn cael effaith ar restrau aros yw mynediad at feddygfeydd teulu. Mae nifer y meddygon teulu yng Nghymru wedi gostwng 106 dros yr ychydig flynyddoedd diwethaf, ac mae nifer y bobl sydd angen triniaeth fesul meddyg teulu wedi cynyddu 30 y cant. Yr wythnos diwethaf, siaradais â Chymdeithas Feddygol Prydain, a lansiodd ymgyrch Achubwch ein Meddygfeydd. Lansiodd Natasha Asghar o'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig ddatganiad barn ar y mater hwn. Rwyf wedi'i gefnogi, ynghyd â chyd-Aelodau o Reform, mae Llafur Cymru wedi'i gefnogi, ac mae'r Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol wedi'i gefnogi, ond nid oes unrhyw un o Blaid Cymru wedi cefnogi'r datganiad barn hwnnw, Weinidog. Pam? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776620 31 En 2026-10-07T13:45:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3111&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3111&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Because we're taking action on this. I've spoken to the BMA several times before being in this position and since about the importance of primary care and GPs and their roles. They are crucial, you're quite right. If we are going to tackle your first question around the waiting lists, we need to get things right in the GP setting. That's why we've committed to recruiting 100 GPs before the end of this term, making sure that they are deployed to the areas where they are needed most. We have a programme where we will be supporting GPs and ensuring that we build on the current structures that we've got in order to have more co-operative models so that we can help take the back-room costs away from them and allow them to invest in the medical services that they want to provide. So, yes, I'm happy to work with the BMA and others on this. It's one of our priorities, and that's why you'll see us deliver on this and things improve by the end of our term. Am ein bod yn gweithredu ar hyn. Rwyf wedi siarad â Chymdeithas Feddygol Prydain sawl gwaith cyn dod i'r swydd hon ac ers hynny ynglŷn â phwysigrwydd gofal sylfaenol a meddygon teulu a'u rolau. Maent yn hanfodol, rydych chi'n llygad eich lle. Os ydym am fynd i'r afael â'ch cwestiwn cyntaf ynghylch y rhestrau aros, mae angen inni gael pethau'n iawn yn y meddygfeydd teulu. Dyna pam ein bod wedi ymrwymo i recriwtio 100 o feddygon teulu cyn diwedd tymor y Senedd hon, gan sicrhau eu bod yn cael eu defnyddio yn yr ardaloedd lle mae eu hangen fwyaf. Mae gennym raglen lle byddwn yn cefnogi meddygon teulu ac yn sicrhau ein bod yn adeiladu ar y strwythurau presennol sydd gennym er mwyn cael mwy o fodelau cydweithredol fel y gallwn helpu i gael gwared ar y costau ystafell gefn a chaniatáu iddynt fuddsoddi yn y gwasanaethau meddygol y maent am eu darparu. Felly, ydw, rwy'n fwy na pharod i weithio gyda Chymdeithas Feddygol Prydain ac eraill ar hyn. Mae'n un o'n blaenoriaethau, a dyna pam y byddwch yn ein gweld yn cyflawni hyn a phethau'n gwella erbyn diwedd ein tymor. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776625 32 En 2026-10-07T13:46:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3173&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3173&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin Well, I don't understand why that means your party couldn't support the statement of opinion. One area that we do agree on is the need for and use of surgical hubs in Wales. I'm glad that you mentioned Llantrisant Health Park, because that was a site that I also visited recently, alongside other MSs in the Chamber. All of the MSs who were on that visit were told very clearly that the Plaid Cymru Government will not see one spade in the ground when it comes to building any more surgical hubs, due to the planning and approval processes, within this Senedd term, let alone build the 10 that your Government is targeting. So, what are you doing to speed up that planning and approval process so that we can get on with building the health infrastructure that we desperately need here in Wales? Wel, nid wyf yn deall pam y mae hynny'n golygu na allai eich plaid gefnogi'r datganiad barn. Un maes rydym yn cytuno arno yw'r angen am hybiau llawfeddygol yng Nghymru a'r defnydd ohonynt. Rwy'n falch eich bod wedi sôn am Barc Iechyd Llantrisant, gan fod hwnnw'n safle yr ymwelais ag ef yn ddiweddar, ynghyd ag ASau eraill yn y Siambr. Dywedwyd wrth yr holl ASau yn glir iawn ar yr ymweliad hwnnw na fydd Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn gweld yr un rhaw yn y ddaear o fewn tymor y Senedd hon o ran adeiladu unrhyw hybiau llawfeddygol pellach oherwydd y prosesau cynllunio a chymeradwyo, heb sôn am adeiladu'r 10 y mae eich Llywodraeth yn eu targedu. Felly, beth rydych chi'n ei wneud i gyflymu'r broses gynllunio a chymeradwyo honno fel y gallwn fynd ati i adeiladu'r seilwaith iechyd y mae ei angen mor daer arnom yma yng Nghymru? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776626 33 En 2026-10-07T13:47:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3221&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3221&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon The Member is right; it is frustrating that the planning process can hold things up. That's why we will be working with the Minister for planning, Siân Gwenllian, here, on identifying how we can improve that planning process for essential infrastructure. But I think, more importantly, when we talk about up to 10 surgical hubs, it's not necessarily about building new ones all of the time, it's about better utilisation of the theatre spaces that we've got, utilising some of the spaces that are in the hospitals at the moment that could be used for theatre space. I was in Nevill Hall recently, and there was one theatre there that was used as a waiting room for patients. Now, that can't be right. So, you could add something on to that hospital as a waiting room and then reutilise that as a theatre space to bring down the waiting lists. So, there's a mix and match of things we can do in this space, which is what we're looking at and why we set up the expert group to identify how best we roll out those surgical hubs across Wales. Mae'r Aelod yn llygad ei le; mae'n rhwystredig fod y broses gynllunio'n gallu arafu pethau. Dyna pam y byddwn yn gweithio gyda'r Gweinidog cynllunio, Siân Gwenllian, yma, ar nodi sut y gallwn wella'r broses gynllunio honno ar gyfer seilwaith hanfodol. Ond yn bwysicach fyth, rwy'n credu, pan fyddwn yn siarad am hyd at 10 hyb llawfeddygol, nid yw o reidrwydd yn golygu adeiladu rhai newydd drwy'r amser, mae'n golygu gwell defnydd o'r theatrau sydd gennym, gan ddefnyddio rhai o'r mannau sydd yn yr ysbytai ar hyn o bryd y gellid eu defnyddio fel theatrau. Roeddwn yn ysbyty Nevill Hall yn ddiweddar, ac roedd un theatr yno'n cael ei defnyddio fel ystafell aros i gleifion. Nawr, ni all hynny fod yn iawn. Felly, gallech ychwanegu rhywbeth at yr ysbyty hwnnw fel ystafell aros ac ailddefnyddio honno fel theatr i leihau'r rhestrau aros. Felly, mae cymysgedd o bethau y gallwn eu gwneud yn y cyswllt hwn, a dyna rydym yn edrych arno a pham y gwnaethom sefydlu'r grŵp arbenigol i nodi'r ffordd orau o gyflwyno'r hybiau llawfeddygol hynny ledled Cymru. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776630 34 Cy 2026-10-07T13:48:49 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3286&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3286&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd Llafur Cymru, Ken Skates. Welsh Labour spokesperson, Ken Skates. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776634 35 En 2026-10-07T13:48:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3288&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3288&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Leader of Welsh Labour Arweinydd Llafur Cymru Skates, Ken Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Minister, are there any Welsh Government whistleblowing investigations currently taking place or recently concluded relating to personnel in NHS Wales? Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog, a oes unrhyw ymchwiliadau chwythu'r chwiban yn ymwneud â phersonél yn GIG Cymru ar y gweill neu wedi'u cwblhau'n ddiweddar gan Lywodraeth Cymru? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776636 36 En 2026-10-07T13:49:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3301&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3301&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Not that I am aware of, Ken, but if you are aware of any issues that you think should be brought to my attention then please do so. Nid hyd y gwn i, Ken, ond os ydych chi'n ymwybodol o unrhyw faterion y credwch y dylid eu dwyn i fy sylw, gwnewch hynny ar bob cyfrif. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776638 37 En 2026-10-07T13:49:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3311&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3311&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken Thank you, Minister. Over many, many years, we've been told that it's for health boards to hire and fire senior executives, yet chief executives of health boards are not accountable to their own health boards for the proper stewardship of public money or for delivering against performance requirements. Instead, accountability is to the chief executive of NHS Wales. It's also the CEO of NHS Wales who confers accountable officer status on all Welsh LHBs, and can remove it as well. That obviously leads to an awkward split in terms of accountability and responsibilities, and it no doubt creates tensions. Would you agree that it's time to devolve the responsibilities centralised in NHS Wales to local health boards, so that local control and accountability can flourish? Diolch, Weinidog. Dros flynyddoedd lawer, dywedwyd wrthym mai lle'r byrddau iechyd yw penodi a diswyddo uwch-swyddogion gweithredol, ond nid yw prif weithredwyr byrddau iechyd yn atebol i'w byrddau iechyd eu hunain am ddefnyddio arian cyhoeddus yn briodol neu am gyflawni yn erbyn gofynion perfformiad. Yn hytrach, maent yn atebol i brif weithredwr GIG Cymru. Prif Swyddog Gweithredol GIG Cymru sydd hefyd yn rhoi statws swyddog atebol i bob bwrdd iechyd lleol yng Nghymru, a gall ei ddileu hefyd. Mae hynny'n amlwg yn arwain at raniad lletchwith o ran atebolrwydd a chyfrifoldebau, ac mae'n sicr o greu tensiynau. A fyddech chi'n cytuno ei bod yn bryd datganoli'r cyfrifoldebau sydd wedi'u canoli yn GIG Cymru i fyrddau iechyd lleol, fel y gall rheolaeth ac atebolrwydd lleol ffynnu? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776621 38 En 2026-10-07T13:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3357&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3357&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776623 39 En 2026-10-07T13:50:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3366&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3366&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon That's an interesting question, because the structure that we have around the accountability framework is a legacy of your Government, something that my predecessor, Edwina Hart, had set up originally back in 2009. I'm not happy with the current accountability framework. I don't think it allows for transparent accountability, hence why we brought in the new framework for escalation last week. I think we do need to look at the accountability structure within the NHS so that people can have confidence. The fact that, as a Minister, I can only appoint the chair of a health board means that I don't have many sticks when it comes to holding them to account. So, I'd be more than happy to look at that structure. In fact, I've asked officials to look at the accountability framework, and I'm happy to work with you, should you want to do so. Mae hwnnw'n gwestiwn diddorol, gan fod y strwythur sydd gennym o amgylch y fframwaith atebolrwydd wedi'i etifeddu gan eich Llywodraeth chi, rhywbeth a sefydlwyd gan fy rhagflaenydd, Edwina Hart, yn wreiddiol yn ôl yn 2009. Nid wyf yn fodlon ar y fframwaith atebolrwydd presennol. Ni chredaf ei fod yn caniatáu atebolrwydd tryloyw, a dyna pam y gwnaethom gyflwyno'r fframwaith newydd ar gyfer uwchgyfeirio yr wythnos diwethaf. Credaf fod angen inni edrych ar y strwythur atebolrwydd o fewn y GIG fel y gall pobl gael hyder. Mae'r ffaith mai dim ond cadeirydd bwrdd iechyd y gallaf ei benodi fel Gweinidog yn golygu nad oes gennyf lawer o rym i'w dwyn i gyfrif. Felly, rwy'n fwy na pharod i edrych ar y strwythur hwnnw. Mewn gwirionedd, rwyf wedi gofyn i swyddogion edrych ar y fframwaith atebolrwydd, ac rwy'n fwy na pharod i weithio gyda chi, pe baech chi eisiau gwneud hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776629 40 Cy 2026-10-07T13:51:03 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3420&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3420&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Natasha Asghar. Welsh Conservatives spokesperson, Natasha Asghar. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776635 41 En 2026-10-07T13:51:06 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3423&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3423&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha Thank you so much, Deputy Presiding Officer. Minister, I listened to your response to the Reform Member, and, before I go into my questioning, if you want to divert your attention for surgical hubs to the Royal Gwent in Newport, you will not hear any complaints from me. Going to my first question, I, like so many others in this Chamber, had the real misfortune, I'm afraid, of having to read through your Government's programme for government. Now, whilst it's jam-packed with ambition—no, it really was not a 'yay'—it was very light on detail, which I suppose is the Plaid Cymru way. Now, it created a lot of fanfare with catchy announcements, but it never actually explained how things were going to be delivered. Cabinet Minister, there are nearly half a million unpaid carers in Wales who look after their loved ones day in, day out, saving the Government billions—and I mean billions—of pounds. To put it into perspective, across the UK, it would cost £185 billion every single year if the state was to replace the care provided by unpaid carers with professional paid care support. Now, despite the mammoth contribution unpaid carers make, their work often goes unnoticed, with a lack of support on offer. It is clear this Government needs to be doing a lot more when it comes to helping unpaid carers, but it doesn't look like that's happening, especially after reading your programme for government. Cabinet Minister, can you please explain to me, and this Chamber, why there were more commitments in your programme for government to Euro 2026, independence and the Tour de France than there are to improving the lives of unpaid carers in Wales? And why have unpaid carers been deprioritised by this Government? Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog, gwrandewais ar eich ymateb i'r Aelod Reform, a chyn imi ddechrau gofyn fy nghwestiynau, os ydych chi eisiau dargyfeirio eich sylw i hybiau llawfeddygol a'i roi i Ysbyty Brenhinol Gwent yng Nghasnewydd, ni fyddwch yn clywed unrhyw gwynion gennyf i. I ddod at fy nghwestiwn cyntaf, cefais i, fel cynifer o bobl eraill yn y Siambr hon, y profiad gwirioneddol annifyr, mae arnaf ofn, o orfod darllen drwy raglen lywodraethu eich Llywodraeth. Nawr, er ei bod yn llawn uchelgais—na, nid oedd yn 'hwrê' o gwbl—roedd yn brin iawn o fanylion, sef ffordd Plaid Cymru o fynd o'i chwmpas hi, mae'n debyg. Nawr, fe greodd lawer o ffanffer gyda chyhoeddiadau deniadol, ond ni wnaeth egluro sut y byddai pethau'n cael eu cyflawni. Weinidog Cabinet, mae bron i hanner miliwn o ofalwyr di-dâl yng Nghymru sy'n gofalu am eu hanwyliaid ddydd ar ôl dydd, gan arbed biliynau—ac rwy'n golygu biliynau—o bunnoedd i'r Llywodraeth. I roi hynny mewn persbectif, ledled y DU, byddai'n costio £185 biliwn y flwyddyn pe bai'r wladwriaeth yn darparu cymorth gofal proffesiynol am dâl yn lle'r gofal a ddarperir gan ofalwyr di-dâl. Nawr, er gwaethaf y cyfraniad enfawr y mae gofalwyr di-dâl yn ei wneud, mae eu gwaith yn aml yn cael ei ddiystyru, heb ddigon o gymorth ar gael. Mae'n amlwg fod angen i'r Llywodraeth hon wneud llawer mwy i helpu gofalwyr di-dâl, ond nid yw'n edrych fel pe bai hynny'n digwydd, yn enwedig ar ôl darllen eich rhaglen lywodraethu. Weinidog Cabinet, a allwch chi egluro i mi, ac i'r Siambr hon, pam roedd mwy o ymrwymiadau yn eich rhaglen lywodraethu i Ewro 2026, annibyniaeth a'r Tour de France nag i wella bywydau gofalwyr di-dâl yng Nghymru? A pham y mae gofalwyr di-dâl wedi cael eu dadflaenoriaethu gan y Llywodraeth hon? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776646 42 En 2026-10-07T13:52:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3506&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3506&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Dirprwy Lywydd, I'd like to thank the Member for that line of questioning. Now, the programme for government is an excellent piece of work—many here would agree. But the job of the programme for government isn't to set out the absolute detail of every piece of legislation or every part of work that we'll be doing; it's to set the direction. And the same applies to the announcements that we as Ministers have made. Now, this question lies in the portfolio of my colleague the Deputy Minister. She has set out the priorities that she has in her portfolio, and she did mention and talk about the importance of unpaid carers. In fact, a lot of what we've been doing with unpaid carers is based on the brilliant report by the health committee—health and care committee, I should say—in the last Senedd, of which I was a member. And we are now actively working on those recommendations in order to ensure that unpaid carers here have the dignity and respect that they deserve. But I would suggest that you raise it with my Deputy Minister in order to push the agenda forward on this. Ddirprwy Lywydd, hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelod am ei chwestiynau. Nawr, mae'r rhaglen lywodraethu'n ddogfen ragorol—byddai llawer yma'n cytuno. Ond nid diben y rhaglen lywodraethu yw nodi holl fanylion yr holl ddeddfwriaeth na phob rhan o'r gwaith y byddwn yn ei wneud; ei nod yw gosod y cyfeiriad. Ac mae'r un peth yn wir am y cyhoeddiadau rydym ni fel Gweinidogion wedi'u gwneud. Nawr, mae'r cwestiwn hwn ym mhortffolio fy nghyd-Aelod y Dirprwy Weinidog. Mae hi wedi nodi'r blaenoriaethau sydd ganddi yn ei phortffolio, ac fe soniodd am bwysigrwydd gofalwyr di-dâl. Mewn gwirionedd, mae llawer o'r hyn rydym wedi bod yn ei wneud gyda gofalwyr di-dâl yn seiliedig ar yr adroddiad gwych gan bwyllgor iechyd—pwyllgor iechyd a gofal, dylwn ddweud—y Senedd ddiwethaf, yr oeddwn yn aelod ohono. Ac rydym bellach yn mynd ati'n weithredol i weithio ar yr argymhellion hynny er mwyn sicrhau bod gofalwyr di-dâl yma'n cael yr urddas a'r parch y maent yn eu haeddu. Ond carwn awgrymu eich bod yn codi hyn gyda fy Nirprwy Weinidog er mwyn gwthio'r agenda ar hyn yn ei blaen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776651 43 En 2026-10-07T13:53:31 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3568&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3568&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha Thank you so much. I anticipated that response from you, Cabinet Minister—surprise, surprise. And I appreciate carers do fall under the Deputy Minister's brief, but I am talking specifically about the programme for government. And, as Cabinet Minister, I'm afraid the buck stops with you on this one. Cabinet Minister, sadly, it's not just unpaid carers who have been seemingly kicked to the kerb by your Government. The programme for government quite rightly makes specific commitments relating to cardiovascular disease, strokes, mental health and diabetes, yet it does not say anything specifically about lung disease, despite it being the third biggest killer here in Wales. Not only that, but Wales has the highest lung disease mortality rate in western Europe. Given the scale of lung disease in Wales, why has it been omitted from the Government's programme? And what message does this send to the hundreds of thousands of people living with lung conditions who continue to experience some of the worst outcomes anywhere in western Europe? Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Roeddwn yn rhagweld yr ymateb hwnnw gennych, Weinidog Cabinet—dim syndod. Ac rwy'n sylweddoli bod gofalwyr yn rhan o friff y Dirprwy Weinidog, ond rwy'n sôn yn benodol am y rhaglen lywodraethu. Ac fel y Gweinidog Cabinet, mae arnaf ofn mai chi sy'n gyfrifol yn y pen draw. Weinidog Cabinet, yn anffodus, nid gofalwyr di-dâl yn unig sydd fel pe baent wedi cael eu hanwybyddu gan eich Llywodraeth. Mae'r rhaglen lywodraethu, yn gywir ddigon, yn gwneud ymrwymiadau penodol ynghylch clefyd cardiofasgwlaidd, strôc, iechyd meddwl a diabetes, ond nid yw'n dweud unrhyw beth penodol am glefyd yr ysgyfaint, er mai dyma'r trydydd lladdwr mwyaf yma yng Nghymru. Nid yn unig hynny, ond Cymru sydd â'r gyfradd farwolaethau uchaf o glefyd yr ysgyfaint yng ngorllewin Ewrop. O ystyried pa mor gyffredin yw clefyd yr ysgyfaint yng Nghymru, pam nad oes cyfeiriad ato yn y rhaglen lywodraethu? A pha neges y mae hyn yn ei hanfon at y cannoedd o filoedd o bobl sy'n byw gyda chyflyrau'r ysgyfaint ac sy'n parhau i brofi rhai o'r canlyniadau gwaethaf yn unrhyw le yng ngorllewin Ewrop? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776659 44 En 2026-10-07T13:54:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3624&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3624&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thank you. I think you're right, the programme for government did list a non-exhaustive list of a number of health issues that are related to people in Wales. When I say 'non-exhaustive', it means that there are others out there that we will be tackling and looking at. Lung disease is clearly one of them, and we know that, when it comes to lung cancer, it is one of the biggest killers in Wales still. That's why one of the priorities of our Government is in that preventative field, so that we stop people reaching that stage of living with or suffering from lung cancer. And that's why one of our ambitions is to roll out lung screening in Wales. Diolch. Rwy'n credu eich bod yn llygad eich lle, roedd y rhaglen lywodraethu yn cynnwys rhestr anghyflawn o nifer o faterion iechyd mewn perthynas â phobl Cymru. Pan ddywedaf 'anghyflawn', mae'n golygu bod yna rai eraill y byddwn yn mynd i'r afael â nhw ac yn edrych arnynt. Mae clefyd yr ysgyfaint yn amlwg yn un ohonynt, a gwyddom, o ran canser yr ysgyfaint, ei fod yn un o'r lladdwyr mwyaf yng Nghymru o hyd. Dyna pam mai un o flaenoriaethau ein Llywodraeth yw'r maes ataliol, fel ein bod yn atal pobl rhag cyrraedd y cam lle maent yn byw gyda chanser yr ysgyfaint neu'n dioddef ohono. A dyna pam mai un o'n huchelgeisiau yw cyflwyno rhaglen sgrinio ar gyfer yr ysgyfaint yng Nghymru. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776632 45 En 2026-10-07T13:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3657&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776640 46 En 2026-10-07T13:55:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3658&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3658&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776641 47 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Wythnos Ymwybyddiaeth Colli Babanod Baby Loss Awareness Week 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776642 48 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 12157 12157 Art Wright AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 Wright, Art 3. Pa gamau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn eu cymryd i nodi Wythnos Ymwybyddiaeth Colli Babanod? OQ64635 3. What action is the Cabinet Minister taking to mark Baby Loss Awareness Week? OQ64635 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776643 49 En 2026-10-07T13:55:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3677&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3677&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women’s Health Y Dirprwy Weinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol, Iechyd Meddwl ac Iechyd Menywod Jewell, Delyth Diolch, Art. Baby Loss Awareness Week is a really important opportunity to remember much-loved babies and to recognise the experiences of bereaved families. Alongside ongoing actions to improve support for families, plans are in place for the illumination of the Welsh Government building in Cardiff for the wave of light on 15 October. Diolch, Art. Mae Wythnos Ymwybyddiaeth Colli Babanod yn gyfle pwysig iawn i gofio babanod annwyl ac i gydnabod profiadau teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth. Ochr yn ochr â chamau gweithredu parhaus i wella cefnogaeth i deuluoedd, mae cynlluniau ar waith i oleuo adeilad Llywodraeth Cymru yng Nghaerdydd ar gyfer y don o olau ar 15 Hydref. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776650 50 En 2026-10-07T13:55:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3700&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3700&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12157 12157 Art Wright AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 Wright, Art Cabinet Minister, one in two of us, or someone we know, has experienced pregnancy or baby loss. During Baby Loss Awareness Week, from 9 October to 15 October, we remember babies' lives, including those lost before 24 weeks. From April 2027, these parents will be entitled to two weeks of unpaid leave, yet some families still face choosing between time to grieve and paying the bills. These are the words from a bereaved parent: 'Many of us share our experiences as bereaved families because we want things to be better for others. We often know where things were missed and how care could be improved, but many of us struggle to be heard. We're told our experience matters, but it can be hard to find a way to share it with those who can make a difference. Our experiences and those of our babies are an important part of the understanding of what needs to change for other families.' Following 'The path to safer beginnings in Wales' report, will the Minister commit to ensuring bereaved parents' voices are included in the work of the national oversight board, and will she urge employers to go beyond legal minimums in these traumatic circumstances? Weinidog Cabinet, mae un o bob dau ohonom, neu rywun rydym yn eu hadnabod, wedi colli babi neu golli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd. Yn ystod Wythnos Ymwybyddiaeth Colli Babanod, o 9 Hydref i 15 Hydref, rydym yn cofio bywydau babanod, gan gynnwys y rhai a gollwyd cyn 24 wythnos. O fis Ebrill 2027, bydd gan y rhieni hyn hawl i bythefnos o absenoldeb di-dâl, ond mae rhai teuluoedd yn dal i wynebu dewis rhwng amser i alaru a thalu'r biliau. Dyma eiriau rhiant sydd wedi colli plentyn: 'Mae llawer ohonom yn rhannu ein profiadau fel teuluoedd sydd wedi colli plentyn gan ein bod eisiau i bethau fod yn well i eraill. Yn aml, gwyddom ble cafodd pethau eu methu a sut y gellid gwella gofal, ond mae llawer ohonom yn ei chael hi'n anodd cael ein clywed. Dywedir wrthym fod ein profiadau'n bwysig, ond gall fod yn anodd dod o hyd i ffordd i'w rhannu gyda'r rhai a all wneud gwahaniaeth. Mae ein profiadau ni a phrofiadau ein babanod yn rhan bwysig o'r ddealltwriaeth o'r hyn sydd angen newid i deuluoedd eraill.' Yn dilyn adroddiad 'Y llwybr tuag at ddechrau mwy diogel yng Nghymru', a wnaiff y Gweinidog ymrwymo i sicrhau bod lleisiau rhieni sydd wedi colli plentyn yn cael eu cynnwys yng ngwaith y bwrdd trosolwg cenedlaethol, ac a wnaiff hi annog cyflogwyr i fynd y tu hwnt i'r gofynion cyfreithiol yn yr amgylchiadau trawmatig hyn? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776665 51 En 2026-10-07T13:56:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3775&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3775&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth Diolch, Art. I'm really grateful that you've raised this seriously significant issue. And in terms of the specific point that you made there, I know that there are some of these areas that would be in Westminster Government control, some in Welsh Government control, but anything that we can do to encourage that to happen, absolutely, I would be supportive of that. I cannot begin to imagine the pain a mother or father goes through when they lose a baby. Baby Loss Awareness Week is a very timely moment for each of us to remember the hidden grief that too many parents carry beneath the surface of their daily lives: the loss that doesn't lessen with time, the birthdays or due dates that they will mark each year, the little lives that didn't start, but have stayed with them every day since they lost them. We cannot know the grief another person goes through. We owe it to those parents that their babies are remembered. The Member has talked about needing to work with bereaved families. I support that idea intrinsically. I've held several meetings with Sands and with bereaved families, and I am determined to keep working with them to ensure that bereaved families help to shape what we do in this area. Nothing—nothing—can lessen the loss that they have suffered, but they want to fight to make things better for other families in the future. And my God, I want to help them to do that. Diolch, Art. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn eich bod wedi codi'r mater arwyddocaol iawn hwn. Ac o ran y pwynt penodol a wnaethoch yno, gwn y byddai rhai o'r meysydd hyn o dan reolaeth Llywodraeth San Steffan a rhai o dan reolaeth Llywodraeth Cymru, ond unrhyw beth y gallwn ei wneud i annog hynny i ddigwydd, yn bendant, byddwn yn cefnogi hynny. Ni allaf ddechrau dychmygu'r boen y mae mam neu dad yn ei phrofi pan fyddant yn colli babi. Mae Wythnos Ymwybyddiaeth Colli Babanod yn foment amserol iawn i bob un ohonom gofio'r galar cudd y mae gormod o rieni yn byw gydag ef o dan wyneb eu bywydau bob dydd: y golled nad yw'n lleihau gydag amser, y penblwyddi neu'r dyddiadau geni disgwyliedig y byddant yn eu nodi bob blwyddyn, y bywydau bach na ddechreuodd, ond sydd wedi aros gyda nhw bob dydd ers eu colli. Ni allwn ddirnad y galar y mae unigolyn arall yn ei brofi. Ein dyletswydd i'r rhieni hynny yw gwneud yn siŵr bod eu babanod yn cael eu cofio. Mae'r Aelod wedi sôn am yr angen i weithio gyda theuluoedd mewn profedigaeth. Rwy'n cefnogi'r syniad hwnnw'n llwyr. Rwyf wedi cynnal sawl cyfarfod gyda Sands a theuluoedd mewn profedigaeth, ac rwy'n benderfynol o barhau i weithio gyda nhw i sicrhau bod teuluoedd mewn profedigaeth yn helpu i siapio'r hyn a wnawn yn y maes hwn. Ni all unrhyw beth—unrhyw beth—leihau'r golled y maent wedi'i dioddef, ond maent eisiau ymladd i wneud pethau'n well i deuluoedd eraill yn y dyfodol. Ac rwy'n bendant eisiau eu helpu i wneud hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776674 52 En 2026-10-07T13:58:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3874&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3874&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5107 5107 Vikki Howells AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 Howells, Vikki I'd like to associate myself with the comments that have already been made by the Member who tabled this question, and to go back to that issue that, from April, women and partners who have any type of pregnancy loss will be entitled to that two-week leave period under those major changes announced by the UK Labour Government's Department for Business and Trade, whereas at present, of course, there is no statutory right if the loss happens before 24 weeks. The devastation of pregnancy loss isn't defined by the calendar, so it is sensible and necessary to have these changes. I note the range of interventions that you, Deputy Minister, announced when responding to June's Members' debate on baby loss. But what I'd really like to ask you on this particular issue is: what steps will the Welsh Government take to ensure that people affected by pregnancy loss are aware of these new leave entitlements when the changes take effect? Hoffwn gytuno â'r sylwadau sydd eisoes wedi'u gwneud gan yr Aelod a gyflwynodd y cwestiwn hwn, ac i fynd yn ôl at y mater hwnnw, o fis Ebrill ymlaen, bydd menywod a phartneriaid sydd wedi colli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd mewn unrhyw ffordd yn gymwys i gael y cyfnod absenoldeb hwnnw o bythefnos o dan y newidiadau mawr a gyhoeddwyd gan Adran Fusnes a Masnach Llywodraeth Lafur y DU, gan nad oes hawl statudol ar hyn o bryd wrth gwrs, os yw'r golled yn digwydd cyn 24 wythnos. Nid yw dinistr colli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd wedi'i ddiffinio gan y calendr, felly mae'r newidiadau hyn yn synhwyrol ac yn angenrheidiol. Nodaf yr ystod o ymyriadau a gyhoeddwyd gennych, Ddirprwy Weinidog, wrth ymateb i ddadl yr Aelodau ym mis Mehefin ar golli babanod. Ond yr hyn yr hoffwn ei ofyn i chi ynglŷn â'r mater penodol hwn yw: pa gamau y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cymryd i sicrhau bod pobl sy'n colli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd yn ymwybodol o'r hawliau absenoldeb newydd hyn pan ddaw'r newidiadau i rym? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776692 53 En 2026-10-07T13:59:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3930&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3930&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth Diolch, Vikki. That's also a really timely and important question, and I agree utterly with what you said there, that the devastation and grief that a parent, a family, goes through can never be defined by something arbitrary like a calendar. I think that there are many ways in which we can ensure, whether that is—. I'd be interested to see what we can do in terms of signs, and things like that, in areas of hospital wards. But I think that's a really important challenge, actually, and I'd like to go away and think a bit more about how we can use every possible opportunity to ensure that families know that that is there. Because there's no point in it being there if—. This theme comes up very often in the Chamber. If people don't know it's available, then what on earth is the point of it being there in the first place? I'll take that challenge. Thank you for raising that to see how we can use every opportunity to make sure families know about it. Diolch, Vikki. Diolch, Vikki. Mae hwnnw hefyd yn gwestiwn amserol a phwysig iawn, a chytunaf yn llwyr â'r hyn a ddywedoch chi, na ellir byth ddiffinio'r dinistr a'r galar y mae rhiant, teulu, yn mynd drwyddo yn ôl rhywbeth mor fympwyol â chalendr. Rwy'n credu bod yna lawer o ffyrdd y gallwn sicrhau, boed hynny—. Byddai gennyf ddiddordeb mewn gweld beth y gallwn ei wneud o ran arwyddion ac ati ar wardiau ysbytai. Ond rwy'n credu bod honno'n her bwysig iawn, mewn gwirionedd, a hoffwn feddwl mwy ynglŷn â sut y gallwn ddefnyddio pob cyfle posibl i sicrhau bod teuluoedd yn gwybod bod hynny ar gael. Oherwydd nid oes pwynt iddo fod yno os—. Mae'r thema hon yn codi'n aml iawn yn y Siambr. Os nad yw pobl yn gwybod ei fod ar gael, beth ar y ddaear yw pwynt ei gael yno yn y lle cyntaf? Rwy'n derbyn yr her honno. Diolch am godi hynny i weld sut y gallwn ddefnyddio pob cyfle i sicrhau bod teuluoedd yn gwybod amdano. Diolch, Vikki. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776624 54 En 2026-10-07T14:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3957&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776633 55 Cy 2026-10-07T14:00:36 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=3993&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=3993&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12150 12150 Sara Crowley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 Crowley, Sara Dwi'n moyn rhoi ar y cofnod fy mod i'n estyn fy nghariad tuag at unrhyw riant neu deulu estynedig sydd wedi delio â hwn. Wythnos diwethaf, mynychais uwch-gynhadledd Colli Babi a Thu Hwnt yma yn y Senedd, a drefnwyd gan Better Maternity Cymru. Hoffwn gydnabod yr ymgyrchwyr, yr elusennau a'r bydwragedd profedigaeth a oedd yn bresennol o fy etholaeth fy hun, gan gynnwys Danika o William's Embrace, Jade o Sefydliad Mitchell a Ruth o Sands Merthyr. Mae llawer ohonynt yn rhieni mewn profedigaeth eu hunain ac yn defnyddio eu profiad personol a'u harbenigedd i wella'r gofal a ddarperir i deuluoedd eraill. Rwy'n croesawu ymrwymiad y Gweinidog i wella gofal mamolaeth a gofal profedigaeth, a'n huchelgais ar y cyd i sicrhau bod teuluoedd yn cael y cymorth sydd ei angen arnynt. Wrth wrando ar rieni a gweithwyr proffesiynol, daeth yn amlwg pa mor bwysig yw sicrhau bod gan y rhai sy'n cefnogi teuluoedd yr adnoddau sydd eu hangen i barhau â'r gwaith hwn. Mae bydwragedd profedigaeth yn darparu gofal arbenigol hanfodol a chymorth parhaus, ond lle mae'r gwaith hwn yn gyfrifoldeb ar un unigolyn neu ddau unigolyn yn rhannu'r un swydd, mae capasiti yn gyfyngedig.  I'd like to put on record that I am sending my love to any parent or family member who have dealt with this. Last week, I attended the Babyloss and Beyond summit here in the Senedd, organised by Better Maternity Cymru. I'd like to recognise the campaigners, the charities and bereavement midwives who attended from my own constituency, including Danika from William's Embrace, Jade from the Mitchell Foundation and Ruth from Merthyr Sands. Many of them are bereaved parents themselves and use their personal experience and expertise to improve the care provided to other families. I welcome the Minister's commitment to improving maternity care and bereavement care, and our shared ambition to ensure that families receive the support they need. While listening to parents and professionals, it became clear how important it is to ensure that those who support families have the resources that they need to continue with this work. Bereavement midwives provide essential specialist care and ongoing support, but in cases where this work is the responsibility of one individual or two individuals sharing one job, capacity is limited. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776654 56 Cy 2026-10-07T14:01:56 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4073&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4073&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Allwn ni gael y cwestiwn, plis? Sori. Could we have the question, please? Sorry. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776655 57 Cy 2026-10-07T14:01:57 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4074&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4074&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12150 12150 Sara Crowley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 Crowley, Sara Wrth gwrs. A all y Gweinidog nodi sut y bydd y Llywodraeth yn sicrhau bod pob bwrdd iechyd yn darparu cymorth profedigaeth cyson o ansawdd uchel, gan sicrhau lefelau staffio a chapasiti bydwragedd profedigaeth safonol, fel bod pob teulu yn cael profiad cyson o'r un safon ym mhob cwr o Gymru? Diolch yn fawr. Sori am fynd dros amser. Of course. Can the Minister set out how the Government will ensure that all health boards provide consistent bereavement support of high quality, ensuring standard staffing levels and bereavement midwife capacity, so that families have a consistent experience of the same standard of care in all parts of Wales? Thank you very much. Sorry for going over time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776660 58 Cy 2026-10-07T14:02:18 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4095&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4095&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth Diolch am hwnna, Sara, ac ymddiheuriadau unwaith eto fy mod i'n gorfod cael fy nghefn tuag atoch chi pan dwi'n eich ateb chi. Fel roedd Sara'n dweud, byddwn i eisiau estyn fy nghariad innau hefyd at y rhieni hynny sydd yn gwylio, ac i ddiolch i drefnwyr nid yn unig y digwyddiad mae Sara wedi sôn amdano, ond trefnwyr digwyddiadau dros Gymru sydd yn digwydd ac sy'n rhoi cymaint o gefnogaeth i rieni sydd yn dioddef. Thank you for that, Sara, and apologies that I have to have my back to you when I'm responding to you. As Sara said, I would like to extend my love to those families who are watching, and to thank the organisers not only of the event that Sara mentioned, but also events across Wales that are happening and that provide so much support to bereaved parents.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776663 59 En 2026-10-07T14:02:41 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4118&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4118&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth Every family who face pregnancy and baby loss has to have that support that is compassionate, that is consistent no matter where they live, as the Member has alluded to. The 'National bereavement care pathway' that we've published set out the standards of care that families should receive across Wales, and there are pathways on sudden and unexpected death, on children and young people, on pregnancy and baby loss, and they are there with the aim to support a more consistent approach across the country. We're working with health boards, NHS Wales and Sands to support how that is rolled out and to monitor how it is delivered. Every health board has a named bereavement lead in place, and, again, we are continuing to work with the NHS, local authorities and the third sector to strengthen those bereavement services and to make sure that there is not variation. Families have to receive the care that they need, and I know that that need doesn't go away when someone leaves hospital. The journey of grief is one that they will be on throughout their lives, and we owe it to them to walk with them when they tread that difficult path. Mae angen i bob teulu sy'n wynebu colli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd neu golli babi gael cymorth sy'n dangos tosturi ac yn gyson ble bynnag y maent yn byw, fel y nododd yr Aelod. Mae'r 'Llwybr gofal profedigaeth cenedlaethol' a gyhoeddwyd gennym yn nodi'r safonau gofal y dylai teuluoedd eu cael ledled Cymru, ac maent yn cynnwys llwybrau ar farwolaeth sydyn ac annisgwyl, ar blant a phobl ifanc, ar golli babi yn ystod beichiogrwydd a cholli babi, ac mae'r rhain yno i hyrwyddo mwy o gysondeb ledled y wlad. Rydym yn gweithio gyda byrddau iechyd, GIG Cymru a'r Gymdeithas Marw-enedigaethau a Marwolaethau Newyddanedigion, Sands, i gefnogi'r broses o'u cyflwyno ac i fonitro sut y cânt eu gweithredu. Bellach, mae gan bob bwrdd iechyd arweinydd wedi'i enwi ar gyfer materion profedigaeth, ac rydym yn parhau i gydweithio â'r GIG, awdurdodau lleol a'r trydydd sector i gryfhau'r gwasanaethau profedigaeth hynny ac i sicrhau nad oes amrywiadau. Rhaid i deuluoedd gael y gofal sydd ei angen arnynt, ac rwy'n gwybod nad yw'r angen hwnnw'n diflannu pan fydd rhywun yn gadael yr ysbyty. Mae taith galar yn un y byddant arni trwy gydol eu bywydau, ac mae'n ddyletswydd arnom i gyd-gerdded gyda nhw wrth iddynt droedio'r llwybr anodd hwnnw. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776666 60 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Clefydau Cardiofasgwlaidd Cardiovascular Diseases 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776667 61 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 4491 4491 Alun Cox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 Cox, Alun 4. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet amlinellu cynlluniau Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer mynd i'r afael â chlefydau cardiofasgwlaidd yn Afan Ogwr Rhondda? OQ64659 4. Will the Cabinet Minister outline the Welsh Government's plans for tackling cardiovascular diseases in Afan Ogwr Rhondda? OQ64659 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776668 62 En 2026-10-07T14:04:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4201&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4201&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Our programme for government commits to prioritising the prevention of ill health through a cross-Government approach and development of a public health strategy. It also includes a commitment to strengthen national clinical pathways for cardiovascular care, ensuring equitable access to high-quality, person-centred services, reducing unwarranted variation and improving outcomes and experiences. Mae ein rhaglen lywodraethu yn ymrwymo i flaenoriaethu atal salwch drwy ddull trawslywodraethol a datblygu strategaeth iechyd y cyhoedd. Mae hefyd yn cynnwys ymrwymiad i gryfhau llwybrau clinigol cenedlaethol ar gyfer gofal cardiofasgwlaidd, gan sicrhau mynediad teg at wasanaethau o ansawdd uchel sy'n canolbwyntio ar yr unigolyn, yn lleihau amrywiad na ellir ei gyfiawnhau, ac yn gwella canlyniadau a phrofiadau. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776670 63 En 2026-10-07T14:04:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4224&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4224&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 4491 4491 Alun Cox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 Cox, Alun Diolch, Weinidog. I recently met with the British Heart Foundation Cymru, and they estimate that cardiovascular disease costs the Welsh economy in the region of £1.7 billion a year. With around 27,000 people in Afan Ogwr Rhondda living with cardiovascular disease, effective national clinical leadership is key to ensuring they receive consistent, high-quality care. In March, the previous Government confirmed that the national clinical lead role for cardiology would be advertised, and recruitment opened in April for a two-year secondment. However, the cardiac implementation network's website still lists its national clinical lead and several other clinical roles as vacant. What steps is the Government taking to ensure that the cardiac implementation network has the clinical leadership it needs to deliver the quality statement for heart conditions? Diolch, Weinidog. Yn ddiweddar, cyfarfûm â British Heart Foundation Cymru, ac maent yn amcangyfrif bod clefyd cardiofasgwlaidd yn costio tua £1.7 biliwn y flwyddyn i economi Cymru. Gyda thua 27,000 o bobl yn Afan Ogwr Rhondda yn byw gyda chlefyd cardiofasgwlaidd, mae arweinyddiaeth glinigol genedlaethol effeithiol yn allweddol i sicrhau eu bod yn cael gofal cyson o ansawdd uchel. Ym mis Mawrth, cadarnhaodd y Llywodraeth flaenorol y byddai rôl arweinydd clinigol cenedlaethol ar gyfer cardioleg yn cael ei hysbysebu, ac agorwyd y broses recriwtio ym mis Ebrill ar gyfer secondiad dwy flynedd. Fodd bynnag, mae gwefan y rhwydwaith gweithredu ar gyfer gofal y galon yn dal i restru ei swydd arweinydd clinigol cenedlaethol a nifer o rolau clinigol eraill fel rhai gwag. Pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn eu cymryd i sicrhau bod gan y rhwydwaith gweithredu ar gyfer gofal y galon yr arweinyddiaeth glinigol sydd ei hangen arno i gyflawni'r datganiad ansawdd ar gyfer cyflyrau’r galon? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776637 64 En 2026-10-07T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4257&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4257&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776680 65 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776681 66 Cy 2026-10-07T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4257&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4257&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776682 67 Cy 2026-10-07T14:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4257&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4257&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776647 68 En 2026-10-07T14:05:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4282&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4282&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Diolch. Dirprwy Lywydd, I'm not sure if I should declare an interest: I used to be a staff member for the British Heart Foundation many years ago, since the Member referenced the British Heart Foundation in his question. But, on to the substantive point, I recognise the important contribution that national clinical networks make in supporting NHS service improvement. NHS Wales Performance and Improvement is reviewing the clinical leadership model for all national clinical networks, including the cardiac implementation network. The review is focused on determining the most effective clinical leadership arrangements to support the transformation of clinical services in Wales and is due to complete in December of this year. While this review is under way, NHSPI sought to make temporary appointments to clinical leadership roles in the cardiac network, but was, sadly, unable to make an appointment. In the meantime, NHSPI is providing support from its senior executive team, including the medical director, in relation to the work plan of the cardiac implementation network. Diolch. Ddirprwy Lywydd, nid wyf yn siŵr a ddylwn ddatgan buddiant: roeddwn i'n arfer bod yn aelod o staff y British Heart Foundation flynyddoedd lawer yn ôl, gan fod yr Aelod wedi cyfeirio at y British Heart Foundation yn ei gwestiwn. Ond ar y prif bwynt, rwy'n cydnabod y cyfraniad pwysig y mae rhwydweithiau clinigol cenedlaethol yn ei wneud yn cefnogi’r broses o wella gwasanaethau'r GIG. Mae Perfformiad a Gwella GIG Cymru yn adolygu'r model arweinyddiaeth glinigol ar gyfer pob rhwydwaith clinigol cenedlaethol, gan gynnwys y rhwydwaith gweithredu ar gyfer gofal y galon. Mae'r adolygiad yn canolbwyntio ar bennu'r trefniadau arweinyddiaeth glinigol mwyaf effeithiol i gefnogi trawsnewidiad gwasanaethau clinigol yng Nghymru, ac mae disgwyl iddo gael ei gwblhau ym mis Rhagfyr eleni. Tra bod yr adolygiad hwn ar y gweill, ceisiodd Perfformiad a Gwella GIG Cymru wneud penodiadau dros dro i rolau arweinyddiaeth glinigol yn y rhwydwaith cardiaidd, ond yn anffodus, ni lwyddwyd i wneud penodiad. Yn y cyfamser, mae Perfformiad a Gwella GIG Cymru yn darparu cymorth gan ei dîm gweithredol uwch, gan gynnwys y cyfarwyddwr meddygol, mewn perthynas â chynllun gwaith y rhwydwaith gweithredu ar gyfer gofal y galon. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776653 69 En 2026-10-07T14:06:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4346&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4346&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve I'd like to declare an interest, as my partner works within the NHS. Cabinet Minister, in Afan Ogwr Rhondda, around 27,000 people are living with cardiovascular disease, and it causes more than one in four deaths—around 630 people every year. More than 36,000 people are living with diagnosed high blood pressure, one of the biggest risk factors for heart attacks and strokes. Your programme for government commits to strengthening cardiovascular care and reducing regional variation. My constituency is served by both Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board and Swansea Bay University Health Board, so reducing regional variation matters directly here. We do not need another plan for its own sake; we need action that reduces preventable heart attacks, strokes and premature deaths. So, by 31 March 2027, will you set both health boards a published, measurable target to increase the proportion of patients with high blood pressure whose condition is under control—yes or no? Thank you. Hoffwn ddatgan buddiant, gan fod fy mhartner yn gweithio yn y GIG. Weinidog Cabinet, yn Afan Ogwr Rhondda, mae tua 27,000 o bobl yn byw gyda chlefyd cardiofasgwlaidd, a dyna sy’n achosi mwy nag un ym mhob pedair marwolaeth—tua 630 o bobl bob blwyddyn. Mae mwy na 36,000 o bobl yn byw gyda diagnosis o bwysedd gwaed uchel, un o'r ffactorau risg mwyaf ar gyfer trawiadau ar y galon a strôc. Mae eich rhaglen lywodraethu yn ymrwymo i gryfhau gofal cardiofasgwlaidd a lleihau amrywiad rhanbarthol. Mae fy etholaeth yn cael ei gwasanaethu gan Fwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Cwm Taf Morgannwg a Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Bae Abertawe, felly mae lleihau amrywiad rhanbarthol yn uniongyrchol berthnasol yma. Nid cynllun arall sydd ei angen arnom, ond gweithredu i leihau trawiadau ar y galon, strôc a marwolaethau cynamserol y gellir eu hatal. Felly, erbyn 31 Mawrth 2027, a wnewch chi gyhoeddi targed mesuradwy i'r ddau fwrdd iechyd i gynyddu cyfran y cleifion â phwysedd gwaed uchel y mae eu cyflwr dan reolaeth—gwnewch neu na wnewch? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776664 70 En 2026-10-07T14:07:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4415&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4415&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon It's probably important to set out that I don't set, as Minister, targets for each individual health board; it's the health boards themselves that deliver clinically in their areas, so it's up to them to deliver based on their ability to do so. But you do make a very important point about the regional differences that we've got in Wales; that someone can live in one part of Wales and expect a different service and, indeed, a different outcome to someone in another part of Wales. That's why one of our ambitions and one of our priorities in this Government is to tear down those regional barriers that are stopping organisations from working together. I and my colleagues—both Deputy Ministers—attended a Welsh NHS Confederation meeting yesterday with the chairs and chief executives of the health boards and trusts across Wales, and we were discussing this exact point of how we can make sure that they work together better, so that they serve the people of Wales and have a one-Wales approach to delivering services. Mae'n siŵr ei bod hi'n bwysig nodi nad wyf i, fel Gweinidog, yn pennu targedau ar gyfer pob bwrdd iechyd unigol; y byrddau iechyd eu hunain sy'n cyflawni’n glinigol yn eu hardaloedd, felly mater iddynt hwy yw cyflawni hynny yn seiliedig ar eu gallu i wneud hynny. Ond rydych chi'n gwneud pwynt pwysig iawn ynghylch y gwahaniaethau rhanbarthol sydd gennym yng Nghymru; fod rhywun yn gallu byw mewn un rhan o Gymru a disgwyl gwasanaeth gwahanol, a chanlyniad gwahanol yn wir, i rywun mewn rhan arall o Gymru. Dyna pam mai un o'n huchelgeisiau ac un o'n blaenoriaethau yn y Llywodraeth hon yw chwalu'r rhwystrau rhanbarthol sy'n atal sefydliadau rhag gweithio gyda'i gilydd. Roeddwn i a fy nghyd-Aelodau—y ddau Ddirprwy Weinidog—yn bresennol mewn cyfarfod o Gydffederasiwn y GIG ddoe gyda chadeiryddion a phrif weithredwyr y byrddau iechyd a'r ymddiriedolaethau ledled Cymru, ac roeddem yn trafod yr union bwynt hwn ynglŷn â sut y gallwn sicrhau eu bod yn gweithio gyda'i gilydd yn well er mwyn gwasanaethu pobl Cymru a mabwysiadu dull Cymru gyfan o ddarparu gwasanaethau. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776683 71 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Cyfathrebu rhwng Sefydliadau'r GIG a Chleifion Communication between NHS Organisations and Patients 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776684 72 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 5196 5196 Sarah Rees https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 Rees, Sarah 5. Pa gamau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn eu cymryd i wella cyfathrebu rhwng sefydliadau'r GIG a chleifion ym Mhen-y-bont Bro Morgannwg a ledled Cymru? OQ64657 5. What action is the Cabinet Minister taking to improve communication between NHS organisations and patients in Pen-y-bont Bro Morgannwg and more widely across Wales? OQ64657 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776685 73 En 2026-10-07T14:08:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4492&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4492&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Patients deserve clear, timely and compassionate communication throughout their care. We are strengthening accountability for patient experience, improving how NHS bodies share information and expanding the NHS Wales app and joined-up records so that people can access appointments, waiting list information and care details more easily. Mae cleifion yn haeddu cyfathrebu clir, amserol a thosturiol trwy gydol eu gofal. Rydym yn cryfhau atebolrwydd am brofiad cleifion, yn gwella sut y mae cyrff y GIG yn rhannu gwybodaeth ac yn ehangu ap GIG Cymru a chofnodion cydgysylltiedig fel y gall pobl gael mynediad at apwyntiadau, gwybodaeth am restrau aros a manylion gofal yn haws. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776697 74 En 2026-10-07T14:09:18 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4515&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4515&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5196 5196 Sarah Rees https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 Rees, Sarah Diolch, Weinidog. Patients in Pen-y-bont Bro Morgannwg tell me that they are left chasing health boards for basic information about appointments, waiting lists and treatment plans, and are sometimes given conflicting information by different parts of the NHS. Poor communication isn't limited to patients and service providers. In a recent case that I dealt with, a cancer patient was referred by their health board, Cwm Taf Morgannwg, to Swansea bay to receive a biopsy. When concerns were raised about delays in receiving their results, neither health board took any accountability to provide the update. Does the Cabinet Minister accept that this is not simply an inconvenience, but an unacceptable failure of patient care? What action can be taken to ensure that patients are kept properly informed throughout their treatment journey? Diolch, Weinidog. Mae cleifion ym Mhen-y-bont Bro Morgannwg yn dweud wrthyf eu bod yn gorfod mynd ar ôl y byrddau iechyd i gael gwybodaeth sylfaenol am apwyntiadau, rhestrau aros a chynlluniau triniaeth, ac weithiau'n cael gwybodaeth wahanol gan wahanol rannau o'r GIG. Nid yw cyfathrebu gwael yn gyfyngedig i gleifion a darparwyr gwasanaeth. Mewn achos diweddar y deliais ag ef, cafodd claf canser ei atgyfeirio gan eu bwrdd iechyd, Cwm Taf Morgannwg, i fae Abertawe i gael biopsi. Pan godwyd pryderon ynghylch oedi cyn cael eu canlyniadau, ni chymerodd y naill fwrdd iechyd na'r llall unrhyw gyfrifoldeb dros ddarparu'r diweddariad. A yw'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn derbyn nad anghyfleustra'n unig yw hyn, ond methiant annerbyniol o ran gofal cleifion? Pa gamau y gellir eu cymryd i sicrhau bod cleifion yn cael eu hysbysu'n briodol trwy gydol eu triniaeth? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776644 75 En 2026-10-07T14:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4557&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4557&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776645 76 En 2026-10-07T14:10:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4561&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4561&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Dirprwy Lywydd, I agree that this is more than just a simple inconvenience. When patients are awaiting a diagnosis or a treatment, poor communication can add significant distress and uncertainty. Patients shouldn't be passed between organisations to obtain information about their own care. Where services are shared, NHS organisations must take collective responsibility for keeping patients informed and ensuring that communication is clear, timely and joined up. That's why we are improving information sharing, expanding digital access through the NHS Wales app, and holding NHS organisations accountable for the experience that patients receive throughout their care journey. On cancer, we are developing a new cancer strategy that is looking exactly at this, and I was speaking about this point earlier today with Macmillan, looking at ways of improving the communication between the acute setting, the primary care setting and the patient, in ensuring an improved whole-cancer-pathway experience. Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n cytuno bod hyn yn fwy nag anghyfleustra. Pan fydd cleifion yn aros am ddiagnosis neu driniaeth, gall cyfathrebu gwael ychwanegu trallod ac ansicrwydd sylweddol. Ni ddylid trosglwyddo cleifion rhwng sefydliadau i gael gwybodaeth am eu gofal. Pan fydd gwasanaethau'n cael eu rhannu, rhaid i sefydliadau'r GIG gymryd cyfrifoldeb ar y cyd am roi gwybodaeth i gleifion a sicrhau bod cyfathrebu'n glir, yn amserol ac yn gydgysylltiedig. Dyna pam ein bod yn gwella prosesau rhannu gwybodaeth, yn ehangu mynediad digidol trwy ap GIG Cymru, ac yn dwyn sefydliadau'r GIG i gyfrif am y profiad y mae cleifion yn ei gael drwy gydol eu gofal. Ar ganser, rydym yn datblygu strategaeth ganser newydd sy'n edrych yn benodol ar hyn, ac roeddwn i'n siarad am y pwynt hwn yn gynharach heddiw gyda Macmillan, gan edrych ar ffyrdd o wella cyfathrebu rhwng y lleoliad acíwt, y lleoliad gofal sylfaenol a'r claf, er mwyn sicrhau gwell profiad ar hyd y llwybr canser cyfan. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776656 77 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Datgarboneiddio'r Sector Iechyd a Gofal Decarbonising the Health and Care Sector 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776657 78 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine 6. Pa gamau y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi'u cymryd i ddatgarboneiddio'r sector iechyd a gofal? OQ64662 6. What action has the Government taken to decarbonise the health and care sector? OQ64662 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776658 79 En 2026-10-07T14:11:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4633&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4633&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon We are taking clear action to decarbonise the health and care system and strengthen climate resilience. The 'NHS Wales decarbonisation strategic delivery plan' and 'Decarbonising Social Care in Wales' set out how the sector will contribute to Wales's statutory net zero 2050 target, while protecting services and improving population health. Rydym yn gweithredu'n bendant i ddatgarboneiddio'r system iechyd a gofal a chryfhau gwydnwch hinsawdd. Mae 'Cynllun cyflenwi strategol datgarboneiddio GIG Cymru' a 'Datgarboneiddio Gofal Cymdeithasol yng Nghymru' yn nodi sut y bydd y sector yn cyfrannu at darged sero net statudol Cymru 2050, tra'n diogelu gwasanaethau a gwella iechyd y boblogaeth. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776661 80 En 2026-10-07T14:11:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4653&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4653&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine Thank you for that answer. More than 540,000 patients are on NHS waiting lists in Wales. Behind those figures are people in pain, families living with uncertainty, and patients waiting desperately for the treatment that they need. The public sector decarbonisation programme is a staggering £38.7 million, plus £40 million targeted at the NHS. Based on average Welsh salaries, that money could employ nurses, doctors, surgeons and not forgetting those students coming out of university who still cannot get jobs. I'm not suggesting that we ignore the environment, but when our hospitals are struggling, waiting lists are growing and front-line staff are under immense pressure, we must ask whether taxpayers' money is being spent on the right priorities. Will the Government review its climate-related NHS spending and redirect funding, wherever possible, towards clearing waiting lists and recruiting more front-line staff that our health service desperately needs? Because patients waiting in pain deserve more than targets and promises; they deserve treatment and they deserve a health service that puts their needs first. Diolch. Diolch am yr ateb hwnnw. Mae mwy na 540,000 o gleifion ar restrau aros y GIG yng Nghymru. Y tu ôl i'r ffigurau hynny mae pobl mewn poen, teuluoedd yn byw gydag ansicrwydd, a chleifion yn aros yn daer am y driniaeth sydd ei hangen arnynt. Mae rhaglen ddatgarboneiddio'r sector cyhoeddus yn costio'r ffigur syfrdanol o £38.7 miliwn, ynghyd â'r £40 miliwn a dargedwyd at y GIG. Yn seiliedig ar gyflogau cyfartalog Cymru, gallai'r arian hwnnw gyflogi nyrsys, meddygon, llawfeddygon, heb anghofio'r myfyrwyr sy'n dod allan o'r brifysgol ac sy'n dal i fethu cael swyddi. Nid wyf yn awgrymu ein bod yn anwybyddu'r amgylchedd, ond pan fydd ein hysbytai yn ei chael hi'n anodd, rhestrau aros yn cynyddu a staff rheng flaen o dan bwysau enfawr, rhaid inni ofyn a yw arian trethdalwyr yn cael ei wario ar y blaenoriaethau cywir. A wnaiff y Llywodraeth adolygu ei gwariant GIG sy'n gysylltiedig â'r hinsawdd ac ailgyfeirio cyllid, lle bynnag y bo'n bosibl, tuag at glirio rhestrau aros a recriwtio mwy o'r staff rheng flaen sydd ei angen mor daer ar ein gwasanaeth iechyd? Oherwydd mae cleifion sy'n aros mewn poen yn haeddu mwy na thargedau ac addewidion; maent yn haeddu triniaeth ac maent yn haeddu gwasanaeth iechyd sy'n rhoi eu hanghenion nhw yn gyntaf. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776669 81 En 2026-10-07T14:12:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4719&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4719&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Thank you for the question. I'm afraid looking at it from that lens is overly simplistic. That's tantamount to saying, 'Let's stop development in the estates, because we need to put more money into nursing, or more money into the clinical sector.' It's not that simple. When we look at decarbonising the NHS, first of all, we have to accept that climate change is happening, and we have a duty to respond to that massive challenge. Climate change alone is leading to—we've seen it over the last summer—worse health outcomes for people in Wales. But decarbonising the NHS isn't just a matter of putting things on paper, or changing some ways of working; it's about improving the services. It's about making sure that we have services fit for the twenty-first century, that we have an estate fit for the twenty-first century, that we have equipment that is suitable for the modern challenges ahead. So, we won't stop the decarbonising project. It is part of ensuring that we have an NHS that is capable of answering the needs of modern times. Diolch am y cwestiwn. Rwy'n ofni bod edrych arno drwy'r lens honno'n rhy syml. Mae'n gyfystyr â dweud, 'Gadewch inni roi'r gorau i ddatblygiadau yn yr ystadau am fod angen inni roi mwy o arian tuag at nyrsio, neu fwy o arian tuag at y sector clinigol.' Nid yw mor syml â hynny. Pan edrychwn ar ddatgarboneiddio'r GIG, yn gyntaf oll, rhaid inni dderbyn bod newid hinsawdd yn digwydd, ac mae dyletswydd arnom i ymateb i'r her enfawr honno. Mae newid hinsawdd ynddo'i hun—fe'i gwelsom dros yr haf diwethaf—yn arwain at ganlyniadau iechyd gwaeth i bobl yng Nghymru. Ond nid mater o roi pethau ar bapur yn unig yw datgarboneiddio'r GIG, neu newid rhai ffyrdd o weithio; mae'n ymwneud â gwella'r gwasanaethau. Mae'n ymwneud â gwneud yn siŵr bod gennym wasanaethau sy'n addas ar gyfer yr unfed ganrif ar hugain, fod gennym ystad sy'n addas ar gyfer yr unfed ganrif ar hugain, fod gennym offer sy'n addas ar gyfer yr heriau modern sydd o'n blaenau. Felly, ni fyddwn yn rhoi'r gorau i'r prosiect datgarboneiddio. Mae'n rhan o sicrhau bod gennym GIG sy'n gallu ateb anghenion yr oes fodern. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776675 82 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Hybiau Llawfeddygol Surgical Hubs 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776676 83 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 12168 12168 Donna Cushing AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12168 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12168 Cushing, Donna 7. A wnaiff y Gweinidog Cabinet roi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf am gynlluniau'r Llywodraeth i ddatblygu hybiau llawfeddygol? OQ64654 7. Will the Cabinet Minister provide an update on the Government’s plans to develop surgical hubs? OQ64654 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776677 84 En 2026-10-07T14:14:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4804&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4804&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Dirprwy Lywydd, surgical hubs are central to our plans to reduce waiting times and improve access to planned care. We have committed £25 million capital funding to support the development of elective care, surgical and diagnostic hubs across Wales. An expert group will advise on future hub configuration and report later this year. Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae hybiau llawfeddygol yn ganolog i'n cynlluniau i leihau amseroedd aros a gwella mynediad at ofal a gynlluniwyd. Rydym wedi ymrwymo £25 miliwn o gyllid cyfalaf i gefnogi'r gwaith o ddatblygu hybiau gofal a gynlluniwyd, gofal llawfeddygol a diagnosteg ledled Cymru. Bydd grŵp arbenigol yn cynghori ar gyfluniad hybiau yn y dyfodol ac yn adrodd yn ôl yn ddiweddarach eleni. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776672 85 En 2026-10-07T14:14:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4824&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4824&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12168 12168 Donna Cushing AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12168 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12168 Cushing, Donna Thank you, Cabinet Minister. I've heard from my constituents in Sir Fynwy Torfaen of an average wait time of 73 weeks for routine appointments with the head or consultant of orthopaedics, and a 50-week wait for an out-patient appointment for standard dermatology referrals. So much of the pressure on the NHS waiting list comes from these routine procedures, so anything we can do to help with this can only be a good thing, making people's quality of life better, reducing the stress of long-term uncertainty for patients waiting for treatments and appointments, and improving the overall standard of the health service.  Has the elective care task and finish group started its work on identifying the best locations for the 10 new surgical care hubs across Wales, so we can start tackling the inequality of access to routine care and take the pressure off waiting times? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Clywais gan fy etholwyr yn Sir Fynwy Torfaen am amser aros cyfartalog o 73 wythnos ar gyfer apwyntiadau rheolaidd gyda'r prif feddyg ymgynghorol orthopaedig, a 50 wythnos o aros am apwyntiad cleifion allanol ar gyfer atgyfeiriadau dermatoleg safonol. Mae cymaint o'r pwysau ar restr aros y GIG yn deillio o'r llawdriniaethau rheolaidd hyn, felly gall unrhyw beth y gallwn ei wneud i helpu gyda hyn fod yn beth da, gan wella ansawdd bywyd pobl, lleihau'r straen o ansicrwydd hirdymor i gleifion sy'n aros am driniaethau ac apwyntiadau, a gwella safon gyffredinol y gwasanaeth iechyd. A yw'r grŵp gorchwyl a gorffen ar ofal a gynlluniwyd wedi dechrau ei waith ar nodi'r lleoliadau gorau ar gyfer y 10 hyb gofal llawfeddygol newydd ledled Cymru, fel y gallwn ddechrau mynd i'r afael ag anghydraddoldeb mynediad at ofal rheolaidd a thynnu'r pwysau oddi ar amseroedd aros? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776652 86 En 2026-10-07T14:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4857&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776696 87 En 2026-10-07T14:16:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4954&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4954&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776710 88 Cy 2026-10-07T14:19:59 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5156&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5156&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776662 89 En 2026-10-07T14:15:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4879&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4879&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon The elective care expert group has started its work and is developing a delivery plan for up to 10 elective care hubs across Wales, with recommendations due by the end of 2026. The group is clinically led and brings together senior surgeons, nurses, anaesthetists and operational leaders. It will determine how many hubs are needed, where they should be based and how they can add the greatest capacity. We're backing the programme with a £25 million capital investment. By separating planned surgery and diagnostics from emergency pressures, the hubs will increase capacity, reduce cancellations and help patients receive care sooner. We're already putting this approach into practice. The £121 million regional orthopaedic hub at Llantrisant will provide six theatres and 54 beds and is expected to deliver around 3,000 operations a year. Aneurin Bevan University Health Board is one of the three health boards working together on the project. Mae'r grŵp arbenigol ar ofal a gynlluniwyd wedi dechrau ar ei waith ac yn datblygu cynllun cyflawni ar gyfer hyd at 10 hyb gofal a gynlluniwyd ledled Cymru, gydag argymhellion i'w cyflwyno erbyn diwedd 2026. Mae'r grŵp yn cael ei arwain yn glinigol ac yn dod â llawfeddygon uwch, nyrsys, anesthetyddion ac arweinwyr gweithredol ynghyd. Bydd yn penderfynu faint o hybiau sydd eu hangen, ble y dylid eu lleoli a sut y gallant ychwanegu'r capasiti mwyaf. Rydym yn cefnogi'r rhaglen gyda buddsoddiad cyfalaf o £25 miliwn. Drwy wahanu llawdriniaethau a gynlluniwyd a diagnosteg oddi wrth bwysau gofal argyfwng, bydd yr hybiau'n cynyddu capasiti, yn lleihau nifer y llawdriniaethau a gaiff eu canslo ac yn helpu cleifion i gael gofal yn gynt. Rydym eisoes yn rhoi'r dull hwn ar waith. Bydd yr hyb orthopedig ranbarthol gwerth £121 miliwn yn Llantrisant yn darparu chwe theatr a 54 o welyau, a disgwylir iddo gynnal tua 3,000 o lawdriniaethau y flwyddyn. Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Aneurin Bevan yw un o'r tri bwrdd iechyd sy'n cydweithio ar y prosiect. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776679 90 Cy 2026-10-07T14:16:17 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4934&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4934&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Y cwestiwn olaf, cwestiwn 8, John Davies. The final question, question 8, John Davies. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776689 91 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care B Seilwaith Digidol a Data y GIG NHS Digital Infrastructure and Data 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776690 92 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care O 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John 8. Sut mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn sicrhau diogelwch seilwaith digidol a data y GIG? OQ64658 8. How is the Welsh Government ensuring the security of NHS digital infrastructure and data? OQ64658 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776691 93 En 2026-10-07T14:16:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4953&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4953&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon The Welsh Government works with Digital Health and Care Wales and all NHS bodies to protect digital infrastructure and patient data. National monitoring, independent assurance, clear legal duties, incident response and improvement plans support a defend-as-one approach, while continued investment strengthens resilience, workforce capability and accountability across NHS Wales. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n gweithio gyda Iechyd a Gofal Digidol Cymru a holl gyrff y GIG i ddiogelu seilwaith digidol a data cleifion. Mae monitro cenedlaethol, sicrwydd annibynnol, dyletswyddau cyfreithiol clir, ymateb i ddigwyddiadau a chynlluniau gwella yn cefnogi dull 'amddiffyniad unedig' o weithredu, tra bod buddsoddi parhaus yn cryfhau gwydnwch, gallu'r gweithlu ac atebolrwydd ar draws GIG Cymru. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776699 94 Cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care I Daeth y Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) i’r Gadair. The Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) took the Chair. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776695 95 En 2026-10-07T14:16:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=4975&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=4975&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John Thank you. Cabinet Minister, Wales's NHS is totally dependent on Microsoft's cloud-based services, and so are the rest of our Government's departments. Put simply, this means that the operations of our NHS could be switched off with the flick of a switch, causing chaos. In today's uncertain world, the need for resilient digital systems and infrastructure is greater than ever.  The European Commission recently adopted the technological sovereignty package, a set of strategic measures to reduce dependency on non-European tech suppliers and to invest in open-source software, strengthening digital autonomy, sovereignty and ownership. Several states and regional administrations across Europe are already moving to open-source and locally hosted solutions. Can the Cabinet Minister make a statement on how the Welsh Government will improve our NHS digital resilience and on safeguarding controls of Welsh systems data, ensuring that our NHS cannot ever be held to ransom and to maintain the ownership of all the systems data in Wales where it belongs? Diolch, Weinidog. Weinidog Cabinet, mae GIG Cymru yn hollol ddibynnol ar wasanaethau cwmwl Microsoft, ac felly hefyd gweddill adrannau ein Llywodraeth. Yn syml, mae hyn yn golygu y gellid diffodd gweithrediadau ein GIG ar amrantiad, gan achosi anhrefn, yn amlwg. Yn y byd ansicr sydd ohoni, mae'r angen am systemau a seilwaith digidol gwydn yn fwy nag erioed. Yn ddiweddar, mabwysiadodd y Comisiwn Ewropeaidd y pecyn sofraniaeth dechnolegol, set o fesurau strategol i leihau dibyniaeth ar gyflenwyr technoleg nad ydynt yn Ewropeaidd ac i fuddsoddi mewn meddalwedd ffynhonnell agored, gan gryfhau ymreolaeth, sofraniaeth a pherchnogaeth ddigidol. Mae sawl gwladwriaeth a gweinyddiaeth ranbarthol ledled Ewrop eisoes yn symud tuag at atebion ffynhonnell agored a lleol. A all y Gweinidog Cabinet wneud datganiad ar sut y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru’n gwella gwydnwch digidol ein GIG ac ar ddiogelu mesurau rheoli data systemau Cymru, gan sicrhau na ellir byth ddal ein GIG yn wystl ac i gynnal perchnogaeth ar yr holl ddata systemau yng Nghymru lle mae'n perthyn? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776701 96 En 2026-10-07T14:18:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5056&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5056&l=cy 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 269 269 Mabon ap Gwynfor AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=269 ap Gwynfor, Mabon Dirprwy Lywydd—. Oh, Llywydd, sorry. I put my head down for two minutes and everything changes. Llywydd, the national data resource, managed by Digital Health and Care Wales, uses the Google Cloud platform to store data, following an open-market procurement exercise. This arrangement takes place under strict contractual arrangements where the NHS remains the owner of the data. The overarching development, deployment and delivery of the NDR platform doesn't inherently lock organisations into Google as a cloud provider. Standards used to manage data such as Fast Healthcare Interoperability Resources, FHIR, are open standards, not Google proprietary formats, so data stored are portable by definition. However, the Member's example of what's done with open-source solutions in Europe is interesting, and I'd be interested to keep this conversation going as we look to develop our plans and resources.  Ddirprwy Lywydd—o, Lywydd, mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Rwy'n plygu pen am ddwy funud ac mae popeth yn newid. Lywydd, mae'r rhaglen adnoddau data cenedlaethol a reolir gan Iechyd a Gofal Digidol Cymru yn defnyddio platfform Google Cloud i storio data, yn dilyn proses gaffael marchnad agored. Mae'r trefniant hwn yn gweithredu o dan amodau contract llym lle mae'r GIG yn parhau i fod yn berchennog ar y data. Nid yw'r broses drosfwaol o ddatblygu, defnyddio a chyflwyno platfform y rhaglen adnoddau data cenedlaethol yn ei hanfod yn rhwymo sefydliadau i Google fel darparwr cwmwl. Mae'r safonau a ddefnyddir i reoli data, megis adnoddau rhyngweithredu gofal iechyd cyflym (FHIR), yn safonau agored ac nid yn fformatau perchnogol Google, felly, mae'r data sy'n cael ei storio yn gludadwy yn ôl ei ddiffiniad. Fodd bynnag, mae enghraifft yr Aelod o'r hyn sy'n cael ei wneud gyda datrysiadau ffynhonnell agored yn Ewrop yn ddiddorol, a hoffwn barhau â'r sgwrs hon wrth inni edrych ar ddatblygu ein cynlluniau a'n hadnoddau. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776703 97 Cy 2026-10-07T14:19:24 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5121&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5121&l=en 261007-1 1. Cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal 1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Thank you, Cabinet Minister.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776705 98 Cy 2026-10-07T14:19:26 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5123&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5123&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn nawr at eitem 2, cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Lleol, Tai a Chynllunio. Cwestiwn 1, John Davies. We'll move now to item 2, questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning. Question 1, John Davies.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776708 99 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Datblygwyr Tai Housing Developers 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776709 100 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John 1. Pa asesiad y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet wedi'i wneud o ddigonolrwydd mecanweithiau atebolrwydd ar gyfer datblygwyr tai? OQ64667 1. What assessment has the Cabinet Minister made of the adequacy of accountability mechanisms for housing developers? OQ64667 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776706 101 En 2026-10-07T14:21:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5252&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5252&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776698 102 Cy 2026-10-07T14:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5157&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5157&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio Gwenllian, Sian Prynhawn da. Rydyn ni'n credu y dylai cartrefi fodloni'r safonau disgwyliedig, fod yn ddiogel ac o ansawdd da ar y diwrnod y mae unigolion neu deuluoedd yn symud i'w cartref newydd. Rhaid i berchnogion tai allu cael mynediad at drefniadau effeithiol a syml. Os oes angen datrys problem, rhaid i ddatblygwyr, darparwyr gwarant, asiantau rheoli a chwmnïau rheoli i gyd chwarae eu rhan i fod yn atebol am eu gwasanaethau. Good afternoon. We believe that homes should meet expected standards, be safe and of good quality on the day individuals or families move into their new home. Home owners must have access to effective and straightforward redress. When action is required to remedy an issue, developers, warranty providers, managing agents and management companies must all play their part in being accountable for their services. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776700 103 En 2026-10-07T14:20:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5191&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5191&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John Thank you. Cabinet Minister, I was delighted to hear your announcement two weeks ago, including the launch of the Wales interim measures alarm grant and your commitment to holding negligent developers to account. Two weeks ago, I met with Swansea Point Owners and Residents Association, an incredibly inspiring Swansea residents association, who are fighting tooth and nail to get justice for those living in fire-unsafe buildings. Holding negligent developers to account is a tough battle. We expect them to delay, defend and deny at every opportunity possible. What makes this tougher again is, from my understanding, an inadequate fire safety legal landscape that we've inherited from the previous Labour Government—one full of loopholes, exceptions and edge cases, making it easier for developers to evade justice. Cabinet Minister, would you please state how you're going to make sure that developers do not evade accountability and that the victims of fire-unsafe buildings get the justice they deserve as soon as possible? Diolch. Weinidog Cabinet, roeddwn wrth fy modd yn clywed eich cyhoeddiad bythefnos yn ôl, gan gynnwys lansio grant larymau mesur interim Cymru, a'ch ymrwymiad i ddwyn datblygwyr esgeulus i gyfrif. Bythefnos yn ôl, cyfarfûm â Chymdeithas Perchnogion a Phreswylwyr Swansea Point, cymdeithas breswylwyr hynod ysbrydoledig yn Abertawe, sy'n ymladd yn galed i gael cyfiawnder i'r rhai sy'n byw mewn adeiladau sy'n anniogel rhag tân. Mae dwyn datblygwyr esgeulus i gyfrif yn frwydr galed. Rydym yn disgwyl iddynt oedi, amddiffyn a gwadu ar bob cyfle posibl. Yr hyn sy'n gwneud hyn yn anos eto, o'r hyn rwy’n ei ddeall, yw’r dirwedd gyfreithiol annigonol mewn perthynas â diogelwch tân a etifeddwyd gan y Llywodraeth Lafur flaenorol—un yn llawn bylchau, eithriadau ac achosion ymylol, gan ei gwneud hi'n haws i ddatblygwyr osgoi cyfiawnder. Weinidog Cabinet, a wnewch chi nodi sut rydych chi'n mynd i sicrhau nad yw datblygwyr yn osgoi atebolrwydd a bod dioddefwyr adeiladau sy'n anniogel rhag tân yn cael y cyfiawnder y maent yn ei haeddu cyn gynted â phosibl? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776707 104 Cy 2026-10-07T14:21:42 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5259&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5259&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr am dynnu sylw at y mater pwysig yma. Hoffwn i ymuno efo chi yn canmol cymdeithas trigolion Swansea Point. Mi ges i'r pleser o gwrdd ag un o'u cynrychiolwyr nhw bythefnos yn ôl, a dwi'n cofio yn glir ei ddisgrifiad o o'r straen a'r sefyllfa hynod rwystredig mae lesddeiliaid Swansea Point wedi profi ers rhagor na 18 mis. Diolch hefyd am groesawu grant larymau mesur interim Cymru. Roeddwn i'n falch o allu cynnig rhywfaint o gysur o leiaf i'r cynrychiolydd o Swansea Point a ddaeth i mewn i'n gweld ni—rhywfaint o gysur iddo fo a lesddeiliaid eraill Swansea Point a rheini ledled Cymru sy'n wynebu biliau echrydus am fesurau interim tra bod gwaith cyweirio rhag tân yn cael ei wneud. Mae'r grant ar agor i geisiadau, felly dwi'n annog pobl i edrych ar hynny. O ran eich cwestiwn pwysig am atebolrwydd datblygwyr yn yr holl faes diogelwch adeiladau, mi wnes i gwrdd efo nhw i gyd, yr holl ddatblygwyr sydd wedi arwyddo contract Llywodraeth Cymru. Mi wnes i gyfarfod â nhw bythefnos yn ôl. Roeddwn i'n hollol glir efo nhw yn y cyfarfod yna bod angen cyflymu'r gwaith cyweirio. Mi wnes i eu rhybuddio nhw yn y cyfarfod hwnnw y byddwn i'n rhoi adroddiad cynnydd i chi yma yn y Senedd yn y flwyddyn newydd. Dwi'n edrych ymlaen at gael yr adroddiad cynnydd yna. Mi fydda i'n fwy na pharod i enwi unrhyw ddatblygwyr sydd ddim yn gwneud eu dyletswydd i gyweirio yn unol â'r contract, yn unol â'r disgwyliad bod y gwaith yn dechrau cyn diwedd y flwyddyn yma. Os nad ydyn nhw wedi cyrraedd y sefyllfa yna, mi fydd yn rhaid i fi enwi pobl yn y Siambr yn fan hyn. Thank you very much for highlighting this important issue. I would like to join you in praising the Swansea Point residents association. I had the pleasure of meeting one of their representatives a fortnight ago and I clearly remember his description of the stress and huge frustration that Swansea Point leaseholders have experienced over a period of more than 18 months. Thank you also for welcoming the Wales interim measures alarm grant. I was pleased to be able to provide some comfort to the representative of Swansea Point who came to see us—some comfort for him and other leaseholders in Swansea Point and those across Wales who are facing appallingly high bills for interim measures while remediation work is done. The grant is open for application, so I would encourage people to look at that. In terms of your important question on the accountability of developers in this whole area of building safety, I did meet them all, all of the developers who have signed the Welsh Government contract. I met them a fortnight ago. I was entirely clear with them in that meeting that we needed to accelerate the remediation work. I warned them at that meeting that I would provide a progress report to you here in the Senedd in the new year. I look forward to receiving that progress report. I will be more than willing to name any developers who aren't acting under their duties to remediate in accordance with the expectation of the contract, and the expectation that the work should start before the end of this year. If they haven't reached that position, then I will have to name people in this Chamber. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776759 105 En 2026-10-07T14:24:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5398&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5398&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12161 12161 Sarah Edwards AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12161 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12161 Edwards, Sarah Carmarthenshire's revised development plan allocates nearly 9,000 new homes within the county, and those new homes are needed and welcomed. However, the infrastructure to support them just does not keep pace. Glangwili is about to take on specialist critical care for the whole Hywel Dda area and people cannot see a GP or an NHS dentist. So, my question is: what can the Welsh Government or the local planning authority employ to ensure local infrastructure keeps pace with development? Diolch. Mae cynllun datblygu diwygiedig sir Gaerfyrddin yn dyrannu bron i 9,000 o gartrefi newydd yn y sir, ac mae angen y cartrefi newydd hynny ac maent i’w croesawu. Fodd bynnag, nid yw'r seilwaith i'w cefnogi yn digwydd yn ddigon cyflym. Mae Glangwili ar fin ysgwyddo'r cyfrifoldeb am ofal critigol arbenigol ar gyfer ardal gyfan Hywel Dda, ac ni all pobl weld meddyg teulu na deintydd GIG. Felly, fy nghwestiwn i yw hwn: pa fesurau y gall Llywodraeth Cymru neu'r awdurdod cynllunio lleol eu defnyddio i sicrhau bod y seilwaith lleol yn digwydd ar yr un cyflymder â datblygiadau? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776761 106 Cy 2026-10-07T14:24:44 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5441&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5441&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn. Dydw i ddim yn gyfarwydd â'r enghraifft benodol yna, ond mae 'Polisi Cynllunio Cymru' yn nodi y dylai awdurdodau cynllunio lleol gynllunio ar gyfer darparu'r seilwaith sydd ei angen i ddiwallu anghenion cymunedau pan fydd datblygiadau tai newydd yn cael eu hystyried. Felly, mae hi yn ofyniad ar awdurdodau lleol i edrych ar y seilwaith. Mae seilwaith digonol ac effeithlon, gan gynnwys y mathau o bethau rydych chi'n sôn amdanyn nhw, yn hanfodol i ddarparu datblygiadau tai newydd sydd yn diwallu'r anghenion ar gyfer y preswylwyr presennol, a hefyd i'r dyfodol. Thank you very much. I'm not familiar with that specific example, but 'Planning Policy Wales' does set out that local planning authorities should plan for the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of communities when new housing developments are considered. So, it is a requirement for local authorities to look at the infrastructure. Adequate and efficient infrastructure, including the types of things that you have mentioned, is crucial in providing new housing developments that meet the needs of current and future residents. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776671 107 Cy 2026-10-07T14:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5457&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5457&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776673 108 En 2026-10-07T14:25:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5492&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5492&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5107 5107 Vikki Howells AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5107 Howells, Vikki Residents of Coed Dyffryn and Tir Founder Fields in Cwmbach finally celebrated last month as their estate was adopted by the local council. It took a whopping 15 years for the developer, Persimmon, to bring the estate up to an adoptable standard, something that I've been campaigning for and working with RCT council to deliver since I was first elected in 2016. I was also able, through very persistent badgering, to get the same developer, Persimmon, to carry out the works so two estates in Hirwaun could be adopted in the last Senedd term, nearly 20 years after being built. I'm now working on Persimmon estates in Church Village, Mountain Ash, Pontyclun and Llantrisant, the last of which was built a quarter of a century ago. Cabinet Minister, it's just not acceptable for developers to leave estates unadopted, particularly some of the big four developers who make multimillion-pound profits, whilst they move on to make money with additional projects. Can this new Government make looking at how they can remedy this a priority? Fe wnaeth trigolion Coed Dyffryn a Tir Founder Fields yng Nghwm-bach ddathlu o'r diwedd fis diwethaf wrth i'w hystad gael ei mabwysiadu gan y cyngor lleol. Cymerodd 15 mlynedd i'r datblygwr, Persimmon, ddatblygu’r ystad i safon addas i'w mabwysiadu, rhywbeth y bûm yn ymgyrchu drosto ac yn gweithio gyda chyngor RhCT i'w gyflawni ers imi gael fy ethol am y tro cyntaf yn 2016. Hefyd, trwy bwyso’n ddi-baid, llwyddais i gael yr un datblygwr, Persimmon, i wneud y gwaith fel y gellid mabwysiadu dwy ystad yn Hirwaun yn nhymor diwethaf y Senedd, bron i 20 mlynedd ar ôl iddynt gael eu hadeiladu. Rwy'n gweithio nawr ar ystadau Persimmon ym Mhentre’r Eglwys, Aberpennar, Pont-y-clun a Llantrisant. Adeiladwyd yr olaf o’r rhain chwarter canrif yn ôl. Weinidog Cabinet, nid yw'n dderbyniol o gwbl fod datblygwyr yn gadael ystadau heb eu mabwysiadu, yn enwedig y pedwar datblygwr mawr sy'n gwneud elw o filiynau lawer o bunnoedd, tra'u bod nhw'n symud ymlaen i wneud arian gyda phrosiectau pellach. A all y Llywodraeth newydd roi blaenoriaeth i ystyried sut y gellir unioni hyn? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776678 109 Cy 2026-10-07T14:26:40 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5557&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5557&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiwn yna a diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am y gwaith rydych chi'n ei wneud ac yn parhau i wneud yn eich etholaeth chi. Dwi'n gyfarwydd, fel Aelod lleol, â'r math yma o sefyllfa hefyd, o ran y datblygiadau yma ddim yn cael eu cwblhau'n briodol, ac yn enwedig y mater yma o lonydd ddim yn cael eu mabwysiadu'n iawn a'r gwaith ddim yn cael ei orffen ar amser, ac weithiau ddim yn cael ei orffen i'r safon angenrheidiol chwaith. Mae'r Llywodraeth yma yn awyddus iawn i weithio efo chi ac efo Aelodau eraill i geisio mynd i'r afael â'r broblem yma. Yn sicr, mi fyddwn i'n hoffi cael sgwrs efo chi ymhellach, i weld os oes gennych chi syniadau penodol ynglŷn â sut i gael y maen i'r wal yn gynt yn yr achosion yma. Thank you very much for that question, and thank you very much to you for the work that you have done and continue to do in your constituency. I'm familiar, as a local Member, with this kind of scenario too, in terms of these developments not being appropriately completed, and particularly this issue of roads not being properly adopted and the work not being completed on time, and sometimes not being completed to the required standards either. This Government is very eager to work with you and other Members in order to try and address this problem. Certainly, I would like to have a further conversation with you, to see if you have any specific ideas as to how we achieve our objectives more quickly in this area. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776686 110 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Gwella Effeithlonrwydd Ynni Cartrefi Improving the Energy Efficiency of Homes 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776687 111 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 12150 12150 Sara Crowley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 Crowley, Sara 2. Pa gynnydd mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud o ran gwella effeithlonrwydd ynni cartrefi ym Mhontypridd Cynon Merthyr? OQ64660 2. What progress has the Welsh Government made on improving the energy efficiency of homes in Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr? OQ64660 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776688 112 Cy 2026-10-07T14:27:55 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5632&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5632&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch am y cwestiwn. Rydyn ni’n cefnogi aelwydydd ledled Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr i wella perfformiad eu cartrefi o ran ynni, gwella safonau byw, mynd i'r afael â thlodi tanwydd a lleihau allyriadau carbon. Dwi wedi dyrannu £17 miliwn o gyllid ychwanegol yn ystod y flwyddyn yma i hybu hyn ledled Cymru, gan gynnwys o leiaf £1.6 miliwn o fuddsoddiad yn eich etholaeth chi. Thank you for the question. We are supporting households across Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr to improve their home's performance in terms of energy, to improve living standards, to tackle fuel poverty and to reduce carbon emissions. I have allocated £17 million of additional in-year funding to boost delivery of this across Wales, including an investment of at least £1.6 million in your constituency. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776693 113 Cy 2026-10-07T14:28:25 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5662&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5662&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12150 12150 Sara Crowley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12150 Crowley, Sara Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Rwy'n croesawu ymrwymiad Llywodraeth Cymru ynghylch cartrefi cynnes ac effeithlonrwydd ynni. Gwyddom fod cartref cynnes, diogel a fforddiadwy yn sylfaenol i fywyd iach a hapus, ac eto mae tlodi tanwydd yn parhau i fod yn her sylweddol mewn cymunedau ledled Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr. Mae cyngor Rhondda Cynon Taf wedi nodi bod tua 65 y cant o gartrefi yn ynni aneffeithlon, sy'n adlewyrchu'r stoc dai hŷn yn yr ardal, tra bod tlodi tanwydd yn parhau i effeithio'n anghymesur ar deuluoedd incwm isel, pobl anabl a phreswylwyr hŷn. Sut y bydd cynlluniau Llywodraeth Cymru o fudd i aelwydydd ym Mhontypridd Cynon Merthyr yn benodol? A pha gamau sy'n cael eu cymryd i sicrhau y bydd y gwaith o wella effeithlonrwydd ynni yn helpu i ostwng biliau ynni, gwella iechyd a lles pobl a sicrhau gostyngiad parhaol mewn tlodi tanwydd? Diolch. Thank you, Cabinet Minister. I welcome the Welsh Government's commitment regarding warm homes and energy efficiency. We know that a warm, safe and affordable home is fundamental to a healthy and happy life, yet fuel poverty remains a significant challenge in communities throughout Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr. Rhondda Cynon Taf council has noted that around 65 per cent of homes are energy inefficient, which reflects the area's older housing stock, while fuel poverty continues to disproportionately affect low-income families, disabled people and older residents. How will the Welsh Government's plans benefit residents in Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr? And what action is being taken to ensure that work to improve energy efficiency will help to reduce bills, improve people's health and well-being and ensure a permanent reduction in fuel poverty? Thank you. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776694 114 Cy 2026-10-07T14:29:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5716&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5716&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn am amlinellu mwy am eich cwestiwn yn y fanna. Tra bod rhai o'r cynlluniau sydd yn bodoli'n barod wedi dod â rhai deilliannau positif—rydym ni i gyd yn gwybod am rai enghreifftiau da lle mae cynlluniau ynni effeithiol wedi creu gwahaniaeth mawr ac wedi llwyddo i ddod â biliau i lawr i bobl—mae yna lot mwy i wneud, ac mae yna ormod o dai yn parhau i fod yn aneffeithiol ac felly efo biliau sydd yn llawer iawn rhy uchel. Mewn argyfwng costau byw, mae'n hollbwysig ein bod ni'n rhoi sylw penodol i hynny i gyd. Ar hyn o bryd, efallai nad ydy pobl yn hollol siŵr pa ddulliau o wella effeithlonrwydd yn eu cartrefi nhw sydd orau ar gyfer eu cartrefi nhw. Dŷn nhw ddim yn gwybod lle i fynd i gael cyllid na pha gontractwyr i ddefnyddio yn lleol chwaith. Ond dwi yn benderfynol o gael gwared ar y rhwystrau yma, fel bod pobl yn teimlo eu bod nhw'n hyderus i fedru buddsoddi mewn uwchraddio eu cartrefi i fod yn llawer mwy effeithiol o ran ynni, tra hefyd, wrth gwrs, mae yna gynlluniau ar gyfer cartrefi sydd ar incwm isel. Mae cartrefi Nyth, Nest, wedi profi'n llwyddiannus yn hynny o beth. Ond dŷch chi'n sôn am ehangu, onid ydych, i mewn i gynlluniau ar draws ardaloedd ac ar draws gwahanol denantiaethau, ac mae hwnna'n ganolog i'r gwaith dŷn ni'n ei ddatblygu rŵan o fewn y Llywodraeth. A dwi'n awyddus i'r broses orau oll ar gyfer cymunedau gael ei rhoi ar waith, a dyna pam y byddaf yn gweithio—wel, dwi yn ar hyn o bryd—efo partneriaid i fod yn meddwl ymlaen am y rhaglen sydd angen dod ymlaen. Roeddwn i'n sôn am fuddsoddiad newydd, ac yn rhan o'r buddsoddiad newydd, mae yna £4 miliwn wedi cael ei neilltuo i gefnogi cynlluniau peilot, sydd yn edrych ar fodelau ar sail ardal. Ac mae yna un yng Nghaerdydd ar hyn o bryd yn symud ymlaen. Mae ceisiadau ar agor ar gyfer y cynllun peilot yma i awdurdodau lleol, landlordiaid cymdeithasol a chyrff llywodraethu rhanbarthol. Mae'r pot yna o arian ar agor tan 14 Hydref, a dwi'n annog unrhyw sefydliad cymwys i wneud cais i gymryd rhan yn y peilot yma. Thank you very much for outlining more about your question. While some of the existing plans have brought some positive outcomes—we are all aware of some good examples of where energy efficiency plans and programmes have made a very real difference and have brought people's bills down—there is still much more to be done, and there are too many homes that continue to be energy inefficient, and therefore are paying bills that are far too high. In a cost-of-living crisis, it is crucial that we give particular attention to all of those issues. At the moment, perhaps people aren't entirely sure what energy-efficiency improvements are best for their homes. They don't know where to access funding and they don't know which contractors they should use locally either. But I am determined to remove those barriers, so that people do feel confident to invest in upgrading their homes so that they are far more energy efficient, whilst also, of course, there are plans for low-income households. The Nest programme has proved to be very successful in that regard. But you are talking about expanding that into plans across whole areas and across different tenancies, and that is central to the work that we are now developing within Government. And I am eager to get the best possible process for communities and to see that being implemented, and that's why I will be working, and I'm currently working, with partners to think ahead in terms of the programme that we need to develop. I mentioned new investment, and as part of that new investment, £4 million has been allocated to support pilot schemes that are looking at area-based models. And there is one in Cardiff at the moment, and that is progressing. Applications are available for this pilot scheme for local authorities, social landlords and regional governing bodies. That pot of funding is open until 14 October, and I would encourage any qualifying organisation to make an application to be involved in that pilot. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776702 115 Cy 2026-10-07T14:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5757&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5757&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776715 116 En 2026-10-07T14:32:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5905&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5905&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Jason O'Connell. Jason O'Connell. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776716 117 En 2026-10-07T14:32:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5912&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5912&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12158 12158 Jason O'Connell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12158 O'Connell, Jason I don't wish to speak, Llywydd. Nid wyf yn dymuno siarad, Lywydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776717 118 En 2026-10-07T14:32:38 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5915&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5915&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Okay, we'll move along, then. Iawn, symudwn ymlaen felly. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776845 119 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Cwestiynau Heb Rybudd gan Lefarwyr y Pleidiau Questions Without Notice from Party Spokespeople 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776718 120 Cy 2026-10-07T14:32:40 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5917&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5917&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf nawr ar lafarwyr y pleidiau i holi'r Gweinidog Cabinet. Yn gyntaf, llefarydd Reform UK, Francesca O'Brien. I now call on the party spokespeople to question the Cabinet Minister. First, Reform UK spokesperson, Francesca O'Brien. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776719 121 En 2026-10-07T14:32:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5926&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5926&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Diolch, Lywydd. Cabinet Minister, I'm sorry to disappoint you by returning to a subject the Government clearly doesn't want to talk about, but the people of Wales, I believe, want answers. My office has asked all 22 Welsh councils about nationality in social housing. Last year, Cardiff Council allocated almost 30 per cent of new social housing to foreign nationals. In Newport, almost 20 per cent of social housing went to foreign nationals. Does the Welsh Government collect the nationality of people given social housing from councils, and what is the figure for Wales as a whole? Diolch, Lywydd. Weinidog Cabinet, mae'n ddrwg gennyf eich siomi drwy ddychwelyd at bwnc y mae'n amlwg nad yw'r Llywodraeth eisiau siarad amdano, ond credaf fod pobl Cymru eisiau atebion. Mae fy swyddfa wedi gofyn i bob un o'r 22 cyngor yng Nghymru am genedligrwydd mewn perthynas â thai cymdeithasol. Y llynedd, dyrannodd Cyngor Caerdydd bron i 30 y cant o dai cymdeithasol newydd i wladolion tramor. Yng Nghasnewydd, aeth bron i 20 y cant o dai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. A yw Llywodraeth Cymru’n casglu data ar genedligrwydd pobl sy'n cael tai cymdeithasol gan gynghorau, a beth yw'r ffigur ar gyfer Cymru gyfan? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776722 122 En 2026-10-07T14:33:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=5964&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=5964&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian The priority of this Government is to ensure that people living here in Wales can access safe, affordable homes, and that goes for everybody living here in Wales. The allocations policy, the national allocations policy, is a framework set by the Welsh Government. The local policies then are set by the local authorities. We don't collect information within those regimes about people's nationalities. Houses are allocated according to need. Blaenoriaeth y Llywodraeth hon yw sicrhau y gall pobl sy'n byw yma yng Nghymru gael mynediad at gartrefi diogel a fforddiadwy, ac mae hynny'n wir am bawb sy'n byw yma yng Nghymru. Mae'r polisi dyraniadau, y polisi dyraniadau cenedlaethol, yn fframwaith a osodir gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Yna, mae'r polisïau lleol yn cael eu gosod gan yr awdurdodau lleol. Nid ydym yn casglu gwybodaeth o fewn y trefniadau hynny am genedligrwydd pobl. Mae tai yn cael eu dyrannu yn ôl angen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776724 123 En 2026-10-07T14:34:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6001&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6001&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca I expected that answer, Cabinet Minister, because many councils don't hold that data either. Either they couldn't or they wouldn't tell me the truth. From Swansea to Wrexham, many of them either refused to tell us on cost grounds or, even more shockingly, they didn't collect nationality data at all. And where the housing stock has been transferred to housing associations, they aren't subject to freedom of information requests at all. Minister, in opposition, you tabled amendments on publishing housing register data. Will you now require every council and housing association in Wales to record and publish the nationality of applicants, new tenants and households in temporary accommodation? These questions matter when our own people are waiting years for social housing—it should be for the people of this country. Roeddwn yn disgwyl yr ateb hwnnw, Weinidog Cabinet, gan nad yw llawer o gynghorau'n cadw'r data hwnnw chwaith. Naill ai na allent neu eu bod yn gwrthod dweud y gwir wrthyf. O Abertawe i Wrecsam, gwrthododd llawer ohonynt ddweud wrthym ar sail cost, neu'n fwy syfrdanol fyth, nid oeddent yn casglu data cenedligrwydd o gwbl. A lle mae'r stoc dai wedi'i throsglwyddo i gymdeithasau tai, nid ydynt yn ddarostyngedig i geisiadau rhyddid gwybodaeth o gwbl. Weinidog, pan oeddech chi mewn gwrthblaid, fe gyflwynoch chi welliannau ar gyhoeddi data cofrestrau tai. A fyddwch chi'n ei gwneud hi'n ofynnol nawr i bob cyngor a chymdeithas dai yng Nghymru gofnodi a chyhoeddi cenedligrwydd ymgeiswyr, tenantiaid newydd ac aelwydydd mewn llety dros dro? Mae'r cwestiynau hyn yn bwysig pan fo'n pobl ni ein hunain yn aros am flynyddoedd am dai cymdeithasol—dylent fod ar gyfer pobl y wlad hon. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776726 124 En 2026-10-07T14:34:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6056&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6056&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Why do we need to collect that data? I'm not quite sure. Because everybody in Wales deserves to have a safe, affordable home, and that includes social housing as well as other forms of housing. So, I really don't see why we need to collect information around what you call 'foreign nationals'. Now, 'foreign nationals' is a very wide-ranging term, and the vast majority of social housing tenants in Wales are UK nationals, as it happens. But, then, foreign nationals are part of our society. They're important people within our society. They're people with children. They're people working in the NHS. They're care home workers. And, of course, they are welcome here and they are contributing to our economy. I think we have very different agendas going on here, and I'm not quite sure that what you're trying to talk about is quite on the same page as I am. Absolutely, it's not on the same page. Pam y mae angen inni gasglu'r data hwnnw? Nid wyf yn gwbl sicr. Oherwydd mae pawb yng Nghymru yn haeddu cartref diogel a fforddiadwy, ac mae hynny'n cynnwys tai cymdeithasol yn ogystal â mathau eraill o dai. Felly, nid wyf yn gweld pam y mae angen inni gasglu gwybodaeth ar yr hyn rydych chi'n eu galw'n 'wladolion tramor'. Nawr, mae 'gwladolion tramor' yn derm eang iawn, ac mae'r mwyafrif helaeth o denantiaid tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru yn wladolion y DU, fel y mae'n digwydd. Ond wedyn mae gwladolion tramor yn rhan o'n cymdeithas. Maent yn bobl bwysig yn ein cymdeithas. Maent yn bobl â phlant. Maent yn bobl sy'n gweithio yn y GIG. Maent yn weithwyr cartrefi gofal. Ac wrth gwrs, mae croeso iddynt yma ac maent yn cyfrannu at ein heconomi. Rwy'n credu bod gennym agendâu gwahanol iawn yma, ac nid wyf yn gwbl sicr fod yr hyn rydych chi'n ceisio siarad amdano ar yr un dudalen â'r un rwyf i arni. Yn sicr, nid yw ar yr un dudalen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776713 125 En 2026-10-07T14:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6057&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776720 126 En 2026-10-07T14:36:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6126&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6126&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Well, Minister, I think data matters when it's taxpayers' money, and we need to know who is in our social homes. When we've got parents waiting for years for social homes, we need to be prioritising our own. So, Minister, there are actions you can take if you wanted to fix the problem right now and put our own people first.  Councils need both the data and the powers to act. Last December, you tabled an amendment that removed section 35 from the Homelessness and Social Housing Allocation (Wales) Bill. You said social housing was—and you have said it—a universal resource. That provision would have allowed councils to decide who does and does not qualify for social housing in their area—the same kind of power English councils use to apply residency tests.  Will you now reintroduce that power for Welsh councils, so that social housing in Wales goes to the people of that country, and who have been waiting for years for social homes? Wel, Weinidog, rwy'n credu bod data'n bwysig pan ydym yn trafod arian trethdalwyr, ac mae angen inni wybod pwy sydd yn ein tai cymdeithasol. Pan fydd gennym rieni'n aros am flynyddoedd am dai cymdeithasol, mae angen inni flaenoriaethu ein pobl ein hunain. Felly, Weinidog, mae camau y gallwch eu cymryd os ydych chi eisiau datrys y broblem ar unwaith a rhoi ein pobl ein hunain yn gyntaf. Mae angen y data a'r pwerau ar gynghorau i weithredu. Fis Rhagfyr diwethaf, cyflwynwyd gwelliant gennych a oedd yn dileu adran 35 o Fil Digartrefedd a Dyrannu Tai Cymdeithasol (Cymru). Fe ddywedoch chi fod tai cymdeithasol—ac rydych chi wedi dweud hyn—yn adnodd cyffredinol. Byddai'r ddarpariaeth honno wedi caniatáu i gynghorau benderfynu pwy sy'n gymwys a phwy nad yw'n gymwys ar gyfer tai cymdeithasol yn eu hardal—yr un math o bŵer ag y mae cynghorau Lloegr yn ei ddefnyddio i gymhwyso profion preswylio. A wnewch chi ailgyflwyno’r pŵer hwnnw nawr i gynghorau Cymru, fel bod tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru yn mynd i bobl y wlad hon, pobl sydd wedi bod yn aros ers blynyddoedd am dai cymdeithasol? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776728 127 En 2026-10-07T14:37:08 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6185&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6185&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian The problem is a fundamental one. We don't have enough social housing in Wales. We don't have enough to meet the demand, to meet the need that there is—absolutely, obviously, there is not enough there available. The queue is way too long for social housing, and creating division amongst people who are in the queue, which is exactly what you are doing, is not the way forward. The way forward is to build more social homes. And that is why this Government has a relentless focus on building and creating 20,000 new social homes before the end of this Senedd term. Mae'r broblem yn un sylfaenol. Nid oes gennym ddigon o dai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru. Nid oes gennym ddigon i ateb y galw, i ddiwallu'r angen sydd yma—yn sicr, yn amlwg, nid oes digon ar gael. Mae'r ciw am dai cymdeithasol yn llawer rhy hir, ac nid creu rhaniadau ymhlith y bobl sydd yn y ciw, sef yr hyn rydych chi'n ei wneud, yw'r ffordd ymlaen. Y ffordd ymlaen yw adeiladu mwy o dai cymdeithasol. A dyna pam y mae gan y Llywodraeth hon ffocws di-baid ar adeiladu a chreu 20,000 o dai cymdeithasol newydd cyn diwedd tymor y Senedd hon. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776732 128 Cy 2026-10-07T14:37:54 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6231&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6231&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Llefarydd Llafur Cymru, Jayne Bryant.  Welsh Labour spokesperson, Jayne Bryant.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776735 129 En 2026-10-07T14:37:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6233&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6233&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne Diolch, Lywydd. Launched by the Welsh Labour Government in 2022, and managed by individual councils, Leasing Scheme Wales allows councils to lease properties from private landlords. It helps councils move tenants out of temporary accommodation, and tenancy support is offered as part of the scheme. An independent evaluation found that empty properties accounted for over 60 per cent of the properties within the scheme, and the evaluation also found that the co-ordination and communications established by the previous Welsh Government were highly valued by councils, and, actually, all 22 local authorities in Wales had signed up to the scheme. However, councils and landlords are now facing uncertainty as it seems that the Plaid Cymru Welsh Government will not continue the scheme beyond March next year, with no new properties onboarded after December this year. So, Cabinet Minister, can you provide clarity on the future of this scheme to councils, landlords and tenants, and what will replace Leasing Scheme Wales? Diolch, Lywydd. Wedi'i lansio gan Lywodraeth Lafur Cymru yn 2022, a'i reoli gan gynghorau unigol, mae Cynllun Lesio Cymru yn caniatáu i gynghorau lesio eiddo gan landlordiaid preifat. Mae'n helpu cynghorau i symud tenantiaid allan o lety dros dro, a chynigir cymorth tenantiaeth fel rhan o'r cynllun. Canfu gwerthusiad annibynnol fod dros 60 y cant o'r eiddo sy'n rhan o'r cynllun yn wag, a chanfu'r gwerthusiad hefyd fod y cynghorau'n werthfawrogol iawn o'r cydgysylltu a'r cyfathrebu a sefydlwyd gan Lywodraeth flaenorol Cymru, ac mewn gwirionedd, roedd pob un o'r 22 awdurdod lleol yng Nghymru wedi ymuno â'r cynllun. Fodd bynnag, mae cynghorau a landlordiaid bellach yn wynebu ansicrwydd gan ei bod yn ymddangos na fydd Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn parhau â'r cynllun y tu hwnt i fis Mawrth y flwyddyn nesaf, heb unrhyw eiddo newydd yn cael eu cofrestru ar ôl mis Rhagfyr eleni. Felly, Weinidog Cabinet, a allwch chi roi eglurder ynghylch dyfodol y cynllun hwn i gynghorau, landlordiaid a thenantiaid, a beth a ddaw yn lle Cynllun Lesio Cymru? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776745 130 Cy 2026-10-07T14:39:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6297&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6297&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiwn. A dwi’n cofio pan ddaeth y cynllun yma i mewn, ac, ar y pryd, roedd o’n cael ei ddisgrifio fel cynllun pum mlynedd a oedd efo pwrpas penodol o fedru dod â mwy o dai i fyny i safon fel eu bod nhw’n gallu cael eu defnyddio i helpu efo’r sefyllfa ddigartrefedd. Mae’r cynllun i ddod i ben yn fuan, ond mae’r eiddo sydd o fewn y cynllun yna’n barod a’r ceisiadau sydd o fewn y pipeline yna yn dal i fodoli. Y gwir amdani ydy bod y cynllun yna wedi dod â phwrpas iddo fo, ac o fewn y cyfyngiadau ariannol y mae’r Llywodraeth yma’n eu hwynebu, mae o’n un o’r pethau dŷn ni’n edrych arno fo o ddifrif rŵan, ynglŷn â dyfodol y cynllun. Thank you very much for that question. And I do recall when this plan was introduced, and, at the time, it was described as a five-year programme that had a specific purpose of bringing more houses up to standard so that they could be used to alleviate homelessness.  The scheme is to come to an end soon, but the properties that are within the scheme already and the applications in that pipeline will still exist. The truth is that that scheme had a particular purpose, and within the financial restrictions that this Government is facing, it is one of the things we are looking at now in earnest, in terms of the scheme's future. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776711 131 Cy 2026-10-07T14:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6357&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6357&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776712 132 En 2026-10-07T14:40:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6361&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6361&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne Diolch, Cabinet Minister. I'd recommend you do look at that scheme because, as I said, the feedback from many was how effective it had been, particularly for reluctant landlords. Whilst every town and city centre has its own unique identity, many are facing the similar challenge of changing footfall and empty properties. That's why the Welsh Labour Government's Transforming Towns programme boosted regeneration in town and city centres across Wales, with more than £300 million since 2020. Instead of confirming a continuation of this programme, Cabinet Minister, you've created a town-centre taskforce, and I've no doubt that the two co-chairs and 17 members announced last week have vast expertise. But I'd like to know what the Government expects of the taskforce and what it expects to deliver. How will the taskforce differ from previous reviews and recommendations, when will it report and how much will it cost to convene the town-centre taskforce? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Buaswn yn argymell eich bod yn edrych ar y cynllun hwnnw, oherwydd fel y dywedais, roedd yr adborth gan lawer yn dangos pa mor effeithiol y bu, yn enwedig i landlordiaid amharod. Er bod gan ganol pob tref a dinas ei hunaniaeth unigryw ei hun, mae llawer yn wynebu her debyg o ran y newid yn nifer yr ymwelwyr ac eiddo gwag. Dyna pam y rhoddodd rhaglen Trawsnewid Trefi Llywodraeth Lafur Cymru hwb i adfywio canol trefi a dinasoedd ledled Cymru, gyda mwy na £300 miliwn ers 2020. Yn hytrach na chadarnhau parhad y rhaglen hon, Weinidog Cabinet, rydych chi wedi creu tasglu canol trefi, ac nid oes gennyf unrhyw amheuaeth fod gan y ddau gyd-gadeirydd a'r 17 aelod a gyhoeddwyd yr wythnos diwethaf arbenigedd helaeth. Ond hoffwn wybod beth y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei ddisgwyl gan y tasglu a beth y mae'n disgwyl ei gyflawni. Sut y bydd y tasglu'n wahanol i adolygiadau ac argymhellion blaenorol, pryd y bydd yn adrodd a faint y mae'n mynd i'w gostio i gynnull y tasglu canol trefi? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776723 133 Cy 2026-10-07T14:41:03 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6420&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6420&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiwn yna. Fel mae'n digwydd, dwi'n mynd i fod yn cyhoeddi yfory gyllid ychwanegol ar gyfer nifer o drefi, ac un ddinas, yng Nghymru o dan gyllid Transforming Towns. Felly, mae'r cyllid yna wedi bod yn fodd arbennig o effeithiol o fedru caniatáu i drefi a dinasoedd wella canol eu trefi. Ar hyn o bryd, dŷn ni wedi, fel dŷch chi'n gwybod, sefydlu'r tasglu sydd yn edrych ar bob agwedd o'r hyn sydd angen ei wneud wrth inni ailddychmygu canol ein trefi. Roeddech chi'n gofyn beth fydd cwmpas gwaith y tasglu. Bydd y tasglu yn edrych ar bopeth, yn mynd ar draws ffiniau traddodiadol, efallai, ond yn dod â phopeth at ei gilydd, o ran cynllunio, o ran trethi busnes, o ran canfod cyfalaf ychwanegol—yr holl faterion yna. Mae'r tasglu wedi cyfarfod. Mi wnes i fynd atyn nhw ar ddechrau eu cyfarfod nhw yr wythnos diwethaf. Yr adborth dwi wedi ei gael o'r cyfarfod yna ydy eu bod nhw wedi bod wrthi drwy'r dydd yn adnabod y themâu pwysig yma sydd angen eu rhoi ar waith. Fy neges i ar ddechrau eu cyfarfod nhw oedd hyn: dwi ddim eisiau i chi ddisgrifio'r broblem i fi, dwi ishio ichi ddod â datrysiadau. Dwi ishio ichi ddod ag argymhellion clir ymlaen o beth fedrwn ni ei wneud fel Llywodraeth yng Nghymru. Mae rhai materion—yn ymwneud efo'r economi ac ati—y tu hwnt i'n gallu ymarferol ni yn fan hyn. Felly, roeddwn i'n rhoi'r pwyslais yn glir ar beth fedrwn ni ei wneud yng Nghymru i wella'r ffordd y mae canol ein trefi ni'n datblygu ac i roi bywyd newydd iddyn nhw. Thank you very much for that question. As it happens, I will be announcing additional funding tomorrow for a number of towns, and one city, in Wales under the Transforming Towns funding. So, that funding has been a very effective means of allowing towns and cities to improve their town centres. At the moment, as you know, we have established a taskforce, which is looking at all aspects of what needs to be done as we reimagine our town centres. You were asking what the purpose of the taskforce will be. It will look at everything, across traditional boundaries, perhaps, but will draw everything together, in terms of planning, in terms of business rates, in terms of finding additional capital—all of those issues. The taskforce has met. I joined them at the beginning of their meeting last week. The feedback that I've had from that meeting was that they had been working all day identifying these important themes that need to be addressed. My message at the beginning of their meeting was this: I don't want you to describe the problem to me, I want you to find solutions. I want clear recommendations in terms of what we as a Government in Wales can do. There are certain issues—related to the economy and so on—that are beyond our practical powers here. So, I placed a clear emphasis on what we in Wales can do in order to improve the way that our town centres develop and to give them new life. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776736 134 Cy 2026-10-07T14:43:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6556&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6556&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Peter Fox. The Welsh Conservatives' spokesperson, Peter Fox. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776738 135 En 2026-10-07T14:43:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6559&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6559&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4787 4787 Peter Fox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 Fox, Peter Thank you, Llywydd. Cabinet Minister, Wales continues to face significant housing pressures. We hear it all the time in this Chamber: rising homelessness, growing demand for affordable homes. Now, at the Conservative conference this week, which I'm sure you were following, the shadow chancellor announced some excellent proposals, aimed at reducing the costs of building new homes and reforming planning rules to support housing delivery. Cabinet Minister, does the Welsh Government accept that planning delays, bureaucracy and developer contribution requirements can act as a barrier to delivering the homes Wales needs? In England, the Conservatives want to replace section 106 agreements as they are a real barrier for developers. Will you review Wales's approach and, in a similar way, bring forward changes where planning requirements are preventing or delaying the delivery of much-needed affordable and social housing? Diolch, Lywydd. Weinidog Cabinet, mae Cymru’n parhau i wynebu pwysau sylweddol o ran tai. Rydym yn clywed hynny drwy'r amser yn y Siambr hon: digartrefedd cynyddol, galw cynyddol am dai fforddiadwy. Nawr, yng nghynhadledd y Ceidwadwyr yr wythnos hon, y byddwch chi wedi bod yn ei dilyn, rwy'n siŵr, cyhoeddodd canghellor yr wrthblaid gynigion rhagorol, gyda'r nod o leihau costau adeiladu tai newydd a diwygio rheolau cynllunio i gefnogi'r ddarpariaeth dai. Weinidog Cabinet, a yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn derbyn y gall oedi yn y broses gynllunio, biwrocratiaeth a gofynion cyfraniadau datblygwyr weithredu fel rhwystr i'r gwaith o ddarparu'r cartrefi sydd eu hangen ar Gymru? Yn Lloegr, mae'r Ceidwadwyr eisiau cael gwared ar gytundebau adran 106 gan eu bod yn rhwystr gwirioneddol i ddatblygwyr. A wnewch chi adolygu dull Cymru o weithredu, a chyflwyno newidiadau mewn ffordd debyg lle mae gofynion cynllunio'n atal neu'n gohirio'r ddarpariaeth o dai fforddiadwy a chymdeithasol y mae eu hangen yn fawr? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776747 136 Cy 2026-10-07T14:44:20 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6617&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6617&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch am y cwestiwn. Yn ein rhaglen lywodraethu ni, fe welwch chi fod yna ymrwymiad yn y fan yna i ddiwygio'r system gynllunio, i wneud y system gynllunio yn fwy atebol i gymunedau, a hefyd i weld sut y medrwn ni gyflymu'r broses o ganiatâd cynllunio a thynnu rhai o'r rhwystrau oddi yno. Felly, mae cynllunio yn faes allweddol, a dŷn ni'n cydnabod bod ganddo fo rôl allweddol o ran cyflawni nifer o bolisïau eraill—tai yn enwedig. Ond hefyd, mae cynllunio yn medru ein helpu ni i fynd i'r afael â gwrthdaro rhwng polisïau, lle mae'n codi. Felly, dwi'n grediniol fod angen i ni roi sylw penodol i hyn. Dwi wedi cyhoeddi yr wythnos diwethaf ein bod ni'n ymgynghori ar y fframwaith datblygu cenedlaethol. O dan hwnna mae 'Polisi Cynllunio Cymru' yn gorwedd. Mi fyddaf i hefyd yn gwneud galwad am dystiolaeth o gwmpas sut y medrwn ni'n wirioneddol symud ymlaen efo'r hyn rydyn ni'n cytuno efo'n gilydd arno fo, sef yr angen i ddiwygio ymhellach y system gynllunio. Mi fyddwn i wrth fy modd petaech chi yn dod â rhai o'ch syniadau ymlaen, o gwmpas 106, yn sicr, ond am faterion eraill hefyd. Dwi'n annog pawb yn y Siambr yma sydd efo syniadau ar sut i wneud y system yn fwy atebol i ddod â syniadau ymlaen. Thank you for the question. In our programme for government, you will see that there is a clear commitment there to reform the planning system, to make the planning system more accountable to communities, and also to see how we can accelerate the process of providing planning consents and removing some of the barriers from the system. So, planning is a key area, and we recognise that it has a key role in delivering many other policies, particularly in the field of housing. But planning can also assist us in tackling conflict between policies, where those issues arise. Therefore, I am convinced that we need to give particular attention to this. I did announce last week that we would be consulting on the national development framework. 'Planning Policy Wales' sits under that. I will also be making a call for evidence around how we can make meaningful progress with what we all agree on, namely the need to further reform the planning system. I would be delighted if you were to bring some of your own ideas forward, around 106 issues, certainly, but on other issues too. I encourage everyone in this Chamber who has ideas as to how we can make the system more accountable to bring their ideas forward. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776721 137 Cy 2026-10-07T14:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6657&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6657&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776727 138 En 2026-10-07T14:46:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6728&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6728&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4787 4787 Peter Fox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 Fox, Peter Thank you for that, Cabinet Minister. That's reassuring, and I'll be very pleased to contribute some of our ideas. Clearly, if planning is a blocker to delivering the houses we need, we need to level some of those barriers. Moving on to a different subject that you're responsible for, Cabinet Minister, and that's the Welsh fire service. They have continued to promote the Wales Wildfire Board's Burn to Protect campaign. Mid and West Wales Fire and Rescue Service and North Wales Fire and Rescue Service have both highlighted the need for preventative action following the horrific scenes we saw all through the summer. Recent scrutiny by Audit Wales has highlighted wider concerns around the financial sustainability of our fire service and the costs associated with improved programmes. Given the increasing threat posed by extreme weather conditions, what assessment have you made of whether Wales's fire and rescue services have sufficient resources and funding to respond to increasing wildfire incidents, particularly in south Wales, following the severe wildfire season we've just experienced? Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet. Mae hynny'n galonogol, ac rwy'n fwy na pharod i gyfrannu rhai o'n syniadau. Yn amlwg, os yw cynllunio'n rhwystr i ddarparu'r tai sydd eu hangen arnom, mae angen inni gael gwared â rhai o'r rhwystrau hynny. Os caf symud ymlaen at bwnc gwahanol rydych chi'n gyfrifol amdano, Weinidog Cabinet, sef gwasanaeth tân Cymru. Maent wedi parhau i hyrwyddo ymgyrch Bwrdd Tanau Gwyllt Cymru, Llosgi i Amddiffyn. Mae Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub Canolbarth a Gorllewin Cymru a Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub Gogledd Cymru wedi tynnu sylw at yr angen am gamau ataliol yn dilyn y golygfeydd erchyll a welsom drwy gydol yr haf. Mae gwaith craffu diweddar gan Archwilio Cymru wedi tynnu sylw at bryderon ehangach ynghylch cynaliadwyedd ariannol ein gwasanaeth tân a'r costau sy'n gysylltiedig â rhaglenni gwell. O ystyried bygythiad cynyddol amodau tywydd eithafol, pa asesiad a wnaethoch i weld a oes gan wasanaethau tân ac achub Cymru ddigon o adnoddau a chyllid i ymateb i danau gwyllt cynyddol, yn enwedig yn y de, yn dilyn y tymor tanau gwyllt difrifol rydym newydd ei brofi? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776731 139 Cy 2026-10-07T14:47:24 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6801&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6801&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch i chi am y cwestiwn. Dwi am gymryd y cyfle i ddiolch unwaith eto i'n diffoddwyr tân ni, i'r heddlu, Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru, cymunedau a'r asiantaethau i gyd a wnaeth weithio mor, mor galed yn ystod y tanau gwyllt dros yr haf. Cefais i gyfle i fynd yn uniongyrchol i sefyllfa anodd iawn, iawn a gweld y diffoddwyr tân wrthi mewn amgylchiadau anodd iawn yn ceisio diffodd y fflamau. Rydych chi'n hollol iawn, mae'r gwaith ataliol sydd yn digwydd drwy'r gwasanaethau tân ac achub yn holl, holl bwysig. Maen nhw'n mynd i mewn i'n hysgolion ni ac mae ganddyn nhw wasanaeth cymunedol. Nid Llywodraeth Cymru sy'n ariannu'r gwasanaeth tân ac achub, wrth gwrs. Jest i'ch atgoffa chi, ar 22 Hydref, bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn cynnal uwchgynhadledd, summit, am y tanau gwyllt. Bydd y Prif Weinidog yn cadeirio hwnnw ac mi fyddaf i a'r Gweinidogion eraill a fuodd ynghlwm wrth yr holl danau gwyllt dros yr haf yn rhan o'r summit yna. Yn sicr, mae yna themâu pwysig i'w trafod yn sgil y tanau a ddigwyddodd. Mae angen cynllunio yn ofalus ar gyfer y ffordd ymlaen, gan gynnwys y ffordd ymlaen ar gyfer y gwasanaethau tân ac achub. Diolch. Thank you very much for that question. I would like to take this opportunity to once again thank our firefighters, the police force, NRW, our communities and all of the agencies that worked so very hard during those wildfires over the summer months. I had an opportunity to go directly to a very difficult situation and saw the firefighters working in very difficult circumstances to try to extinguish those flames. You're entirely right that the preventative work that happens through the fire and rescue services is crucially important. They go into our schools and they have a community service. The Welsh Government doesn't fund the fire and rescue service, of course. Just to remind you, on 22 October, the Welsh Government will hold a summit on wildfires. The First Minister will chair that event, and I and other Ministers who were involved with the whole issue of wildfires over the summer will be part of that summit. Certainly, there are important themes to discuss in light of the fires that did happen over the summer. We need to plan carefully for the future, including a way forward for the fire and rescue services. Thank you. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776737 140 En 2026-10-07T14:49:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6906&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6906&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Thank you. We'll move ahead now, but, before we do, can I just point out we're over two thirds of the way through the allocated time for this and yet we're only now moving to a spokesperson's question? So, if the Minister could help with short answers on this. Diolch. Rydym am symud ymlaen nawr, ond cyn inni wneud hynny, a gaf i nodi ein bod dros ddwy ran o dair o'r ffordd drwy'r amser a neilltuwyd ar gyfer hyn, ac eto dim ond nawr rydym yn symud at gwestiwn gan lefarydd? Felly, os gall y Gweinidog helpu gydag atebion byr ar hyn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776741 141 Cy 2026-10-07T14:49:22 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6919&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6919&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Cwestiwn 3, Marc Jones. Question 3, Marc Jones. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776742 142 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Cynlluniau Datblygu Lleol Local Development Plans 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776746 143 Cy 2026-10-07T14:49:25 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6922&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6922&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 350 350 Marc Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 Jones, Marc Diolch. Mi wnaf i gadw hwn yn fyr. Thank you. I'll keep this short, then. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776743 144 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 350 350 Marc Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 Jones, Marc 3. Sut mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn gwella gwaith ymgysylltu â'r gymuned ar gynlluniau datblygu lleol? OQ64665 3. How is the Cabinet Minister improving community engagement on local development plans? OQ64665 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776744 145 Cy 2026-10-07T14:49:32 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6929&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6929&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Dwi wedi ymrwymo i ymgysylltu'n fwy effeithlon â'r gymuned am y broses cynlluniau datblygu lleol. Mi fyddaf i’n dechrau sgwrs cyn hir ar sut i ailddychmygu cynlluniau datblygu lleol fel eu bod nhw'n adlewyrchu dyheadau ein cymunedau'n well. Fe fydd ymgynghoriad ar opsiynau a chynigion ar gyfer newid yn dilyn maes o law. I am committed to engaging more efficiently with the community regarding the LDP process. I will be starting a conversation soon on how LDPs can be reimagined to better reflect the aspirations of our communities. A consultation on options and proposals for change will follow in due course. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776750 146 En 2026-10-07T14:49:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6951&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6951&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 350 350 Marc Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 Jones, Marc Diolch yn fawr iawn. In December 2023, Wrexham councillors were forced, under threat of imprisonment, to vote for a local development plan that was not fit for purpose. The plan was based on population projections that were spectacularly wrong. Following a lengthy court battle, brought by councillors, including me, against the previous Welsh Government and housing developers, the High Court quashed the council's decision to adopt its LDP. To cut a long story short, to suit the Llywydd, the LDP has now been withdrawn and the council is preparing a new plan. As a former councillor, I want to improve the planning system throughout Wales by ensuring greater community engagement and involvement in the process. To test that, will the Minister consider Wrexham as a pilot scheme to ensure that the local voice is heard loud and clear in the planning process, and that we never again see local elected representatives threatened with jail for standing up for their communities? Diolch yn fawr. Diolch yn fawr. Ym mis Rhagfyr 2023, gorfodwyd cynghorwyr Wrecsam, dan fygythiad o garchar, i bleidleisio dros gynllun datblygu lleol nad oedd yn addas i’r diben. Roedd y cynllun yn seiliedig ar ragolygon poblogaeth a oedd yn gwbl anghywir. Yn dilyn brwydr gyfreithiol hir, a gychwynnwyd gan gynghorwyr, gan fy nghynnwys i, yn erbyn Llywodraeth flaenorol Cymru a datblygwyr tai, diddymodd yr Uchel Lys benderfyniad y cyngor i fabwysiadu ei gynllun datblygu lleol. I dorri stori hir yn fyr, i fodloni'r Llywydd, mae'r CDLl bellach wedi'i ddiddymu ac mae'r cyngor yn paratoi cynllun newydd. Fel cyn-gynghorydd, hoffwn wella'r system gynllunio ledled Cymru drwy sicrhau mwy o ymgysylltiad a chyfranogiad cymunedol yn y broses. I brofi hynny, a wnaiff y Gweinidog ystyried Wrecsam fel cynllun peilot i sicrhau bod y llais lleol yn cael ei glywed yn glir yn y broses gynllunio, ac na fyddwn ni byth eto'n gweld cynrychiolwyr etholedig lleol yn cael eu bygwth â charchar am sefyll dros eu cymunedau? Diolch yn fawr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776714 147 En 2026-10-07T14:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=6957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=6957&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776725 148 Cy 2026-10-07T14:51:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7017&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7017&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi, Marc, ac i Carrie Harper sy'n eistedd drws nesaf i chi. Dwi'n gwybod am y gwaith pwysig wnaethoch chi ei wneud yn ystod yn cyfnod yna, a ddylai neb, byth eto, fod yn wynebu carchar ac yn wynebu'r math yna o sefyllfa am fod yn llais i ddemocratiaeth yn lleol. Felly, dwi'n gobeithio eich bod chi'n cymryd hynny a bod pawb yn deall pwysigrwydd y neges yna. Mae hi'n bwysig, wrth i'r LDP newydd gael ei chreu, bod gwersi o'r profiad blaenorol yn cael eu dysgu, gan adeiladu ar yr hyn wnaeth weithio ac yn edrych yn benodol ynglŷn â beth wnaeth ddim gweithio fel bod y plan newydd yn ennyn mwy o gefnogaeth a mwy o hyder ymhlith y cymunedau, ac yn rhoi sylfaen gref ar gyfer dyfodol Wrecsam. Gan fod gen i bwerau o fewn y broses LDP, fedraf i ddim cymryd rhan uniongyrchol yn y broses o ddatblygu'r cynllun newydd yma, ond dwi'n hapus i roi cefnogaeth ymarferol i'r broses yna, a buaswn i'n hapus iawn i gyfarfod efo chi i glywed sut ydych chi'n meddwl y gall yr ymgysylltu cymunedol yna weithio. Mae'r Design Commission for Wales hefyd yn gallu bod o gymorth, ac mi fyddaf i'n cyfarfod efo nhw yr wythnos nesaf, felly mae'n siŵr bod yna syniadau yn fanna hefyd y gallwn ni eu cymryd i fyny. I thank you, Marc, and Carrie Harper who is sitting alongside you. I know about the important work that you did in that period, and no-one should ever again face jail or that kind of situation for being a voice for local democracy. I hope that that is accepted and that everybody understands the importance of that message. It is important, as the new LDP is put together, that lessons from that previous experience are learned, building on what did work and looking specifically at what didn't work so that the new plan does gain more support and confidence in the communities and provides a firm foundation for the future of Wrexham. Given that I have powers within the LDP process, I can't take a direct role in the process of developing the new plan, but I am content to provide practical support for that process, and I would be very happy to meet with you to hear about how you think the community engagement should work. The Design Commission for Wales can also be of assistance, and I will be meeting them next week, and so there will probably be ideas there that we can explore. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776758 149 En 2026-10-07T14:52:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7133&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7133&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5113 5113 Nigel Williams AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5113 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5113 Williams, Nigel Minister, if community engagement is to mean anything, residents in communities across Flint and Wrexham must see their local voices genuinely reflected on the ground. I want to take what Sarah Edwards, my colleague, said a little bit further. So, will the Minister ensure that locally prepared place plans and town plans are given full weight in the planning process and that area-wide infrastructure improvements, such as road networks, GP capacity and school places, are fully costed and funded before large-scale housing is approved? I just want to give an example of a place in my area where there is huge development, which is Oakenholt, where there are lots of houses being built, but the GP capacity is really under pressure because of that. It was something that my colleague Ben Hodge McKenna mentioned before. So, furthermore, does the Minister agree that, where vital local infrastructure cannot be guaranteed, local planning authorities should have the backing of the Welsh Government to refuse applications? Diolch, Lywydd. Weinidog, os yw ymgysylltiad cymunedol yn mynd i olygu unrhyw beth, rhaid i drigolion mewn cymunedau ledled y Fflint a Wrecsam weld eu lleisiau lleol yn cael eu hadlewyrchu'n iawn ar lawr gwlad. Rwyf am fynd â'r hyn a ddywedodd Sarah Edwards, fy nghyd-Aelod, ychydig ymhellach. Felly, a wnaiff y Gweinidog sicrhau bod cynlluniau bro a chynlluniau tref a baratowyd yn lleol yn cael eu hystyried yn llawn yn y broses gynllunio a bod gwelliannau seilwaith ar draws yr ardal gyfan, fel rhwydweithiau ffyrdd, capasiti meddygfeydd teulu a lleoedd ysgol, yn cael eu prisio a'u hariannu'n llawn cyn cymeradwyo datblygiadau tai ar raddfa fawr? Rwyf am roi enghraifft o le yn fy ardal i lle mae datblygiad enfawr ar y gweill, sef Oakenholt, lle mae llawer o dai'n cael eu hadeiladu, ond mae capasiti'r meddygfeydd teulu o dan bwysau mawr oherwydd hynny. Roedd yn rhywbeth y soniodd fy nghyd-Aelod Ben Hodge McKenna amdano yn gynt. Felly, ar ben hynny, a yw'r Gweinidog yn cytuno, lle na ellir gwarantu seilwaith lleol hanfodol, y dylai awdurdodau cynllunio lleol gael cefnogaeth Llywodraeth Cymru i wrthod ceisiadau? Diolch, Lywydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776763 150 En 2026-10-07T14:53:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7196&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7196&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Well, I'll reiterate what I said earlier, really, that the infrastructure absolutely needs to be at the heart of the planning process and in bringing LDPs together. They are a matter for the local councils, but my message is quite clear and the message in 'Planning Policy Wales' is quite clear that infrastructure around any housing developments, et cetera, have to meet that need as well. Wel, rwyf am ailadrodd yr hyn a ddywedais yn gynharach mewn gwirionedd, fod angen i'r seilwaith fod wrth wraidd y broses gynllunio ac wrth ddod â chynlluniau datblygu lleol at ei gilydd. Maent yn fater i'r cynghorau lleol, ond mae fy neges yn eithaf clir ac mae'r neges yn 'Polisi Cynllunio Cymru' hefyd yn eithaf clir fod yn rhaid i'r seilwaith o amgylch unrhyw ddatblygiadau tai ac ati ddiwallu'r angen hwnnw hefyd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776764 151 En 2026-10-07T14:54:30 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7227&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7227&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12156 12156 Huw Thomas AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12156 Thomas, Huw I'll try and be brief. Minister, you'll be aware that Cardiff Council is delivering one of the UK's most ambitious and award-winning council house building schemes. A key factor in achieving that was having an LDP in place that enabled the council to secure greater social housing contributions from large-scale developments. Without a plan in place, Cardiff would have lost control of the process and seen piecemeal developments dispersed across the city. Too often, though, engagement on LDPs is dominated by well-organised voices opposed to development. So, Minister, in your rethinking of LDPs, how will you ensure that the voices of those on housing waiting lists, those living in temporary accommodation who desperately need social housing, are also heard, given they are far less likely to participate in these consultations compared with well-resourced, well-organised groups who don't want to see any houses built? Fe geisiaf fod yn gryno. Weinidog, fe fyddwch yn ymwybodol fod un o gynlluniau adeiladu tai cyngor mwyaf uchelgeisiol ac arobryn y DU ar waith gan Gyngor Caerdydd. Un ffactor allweddol wrth gyflawni hynny oedd cael CDLl ar waith a oedd yn galluogi'r cyngor i sicrhau mwy o gyfraniadau tai cymdeithasol o ddatblygiadau mawr. Heb gynllun ar waith, byddai Caerdydd wedi colli rheolaeth ar y broses ac wedi gweld datblygiadau tameidiog yn cael eu gwasgaru ledled y ddinas. Yn rhy aml, fodd bynnag, mae'r broses ymgysylltu ar gynlluniau datblygu lleol yn cael ei llywio gan leisiau trefnedig sy'n gwrthwynebu datblygu. Felly, Weinidog, wrth ailystyried cynlluniau datblygu lleol, sut y byddwch chi'n sicrhau bod lleisiau'r rhai sydd ar restrau aros am dai, y rhai sy'n byw mewn llety dros dro ac y mae taer angen tai cymdeithasol arnynt, hefyd yn cael eu clywed, o ystyried eu bod yn llawer llai tebygol o gymryd rhan yn yr ymgynghoriadau hyn o gymharu â grwpiau trefnedig sydd â digon o adnoddau nad ydynt am i unrhyw dai gael eu hadeiladu? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776730 152 En 2026-10-07T14:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7257&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7257&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776733 153 En 2026-10-07T14:55:25 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7282&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7282&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr. Yes, your point is well made, Huw.  Diolch yn fawr. Mae eich pwynt wedi'i wneud yn dda, Huw. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776734 154 Cy 2026-10-07T14:55:39 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7296&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7296&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae hi'n bwysig bod y broses o greu cynllun lleol yn cynnwys pawb, onid ydy, ac anghenion pawb o fewn y gymdeithas yna. O brofiad personol, o fod yn rhan o ddatblygu cynllun datblygu lleol yn fy mhentref i, roedd y broses o ymgysylltu efo'r gymuned gyfan a dangos i'r gymuned gyfan fod yna anghenion tai, er enghraifft, yn y gymuned honno, roedd hynny'n sicrhau bod gennym ni gynllun a oedd yn gadarn ar gyfer y dyfodol. A phan ddaeth cynlluniau tai ymlaen a oedd yn rhai cymesur—ac, wrth gwrs, dyna ydy'r broblem, onid e, dydyn nhw ddim bob tro yn gymesur—ond pan oedd cynlluniau yn dod ymlaen oedd yn gymesur efo maint y pentref ond hefyd efo'r angen lleol, doedd yna ddim cwyno amdano fo. Felly, dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig cynnwys pawb, gan gynnwys y lleisiau hynny sydd ddim yn cael eu clywed. Rydw i'n meddwl bod gennym ni fel cynghorwyr lleol le i arwain a bod yn llais i'r anghenion yna sydd yn aml yn cael eu hanghofio. Thank you very much. It is important that the process of creating a local plan does include everyone, isn't it, and the needs of everyone within that community. From my personal experience of being part of the development of a local development plan in my village, the process of engaging with the entire community and showing the entire community that there were housing needs, for example, within that community, that ensured that we did have a plan that was robust for the future, and when housing plans were brought forward that were proportionate—and, of course, that's the problem, isn't it, that they're not always proportionate—but when plans were brought forward that were proportionate in relation to the size of the village but also in relation to local need, there were no complaints about them. So, I do think it's important to include everyone, including those voices that are not heard, and I think we as local councillors have a role in leading and being a voice for those needs that are often forgotten. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776740 155 En 2026-10-07T14:56:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7360&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7360&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 143 143 Andrew R.T. Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 Davies, Andrew R.T. I refer Members to my declaration of interest. In the programme for government, Minister, there is a piece that talks of the Government looking at examining the permitted development rights and bringing into beneficial use redundant farm buildings for housing purposes. When councils are developing development plans, they require clear guidance from central Government so that those plans can be enacted and deliver the houses that many local communities are desperate to have. If that measure was introduced, that would have a big impact on freeing up redundant buildings for beneficial purposes and creating properties that people could live in in rural settings. It's already been enacted in many parts of the United Kingdom. When will the Welsh Government be giving that guidance to councils to bring forward those properties to be redeveloped out of redundant buildings that exist in the countryside? Cyfeiriaf yr Aelodau at fy natganiad o fuddiant. Yn y rhaglen lywodraethu, Weinidog, mae darn sy'n sôn am y Llywodraeth yn edrych ar archwilio'r hawliau datblygu a ganiateir a defnyddio adeiladau fferm diangen mewn ffordd fuddiol at ddibenion tai. Pan fydd cynghorau'n datblygu cynlluniau datblygu, mae angen canllawiau clir arnynt gan y Llywodraeth ganolog fel y gellir rhoi'r cynlluniau hynny ar waith a darparu'r tai y mae eu hangen yn fawr ar lawer o gymunedau lleol. Pe bai'r mesur hwnnw'n cael ei gyflwyno, byddai'n cael effaith fawr ar ryddhau adeiladau diangen at ddibenion buddiol a chreu eiddo y gallai pobl fyw ynddynt mewn lleoliadau gwledig. Mae hyn eisoes wedi'i ddeddfu mewn sawl rhan o'r Deyrnas Unedig. Pryd y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru’n rhoi'r cyfarwyddyd hwnnw i gynghorau ailddatblygu'r adeiladau diangen sy'n bodoli yng nghefn gwlad? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776748 156 En 2026-10-07T14:57:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7414&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7414&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Well, I agree with your ambition for creating a more robust and resilient rurality here in Wales. I am in active discussions with Llyr Gruffydd, the rural affairs Minister—whatever the title is now— Wel, rwy'n cytuno â'ch uchelgais i greu cefn gwlad mwy cadarn a gwydn yma yng Nghymru. Rwy'n cael trafodaethau gweithredol gyda Llyr Gruffydd, y Gweinidog materion gwledig—beth bynnag yw'r teitl nawr— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776749 157 En 2026-10-07T14:57:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7436&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7436&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 143 143 Andrew R.T. Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=143 Davies, Andrew R.T. Resilience. Gwydnwch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776751 158 En 2026-10-07T14:58:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7437&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7437&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian —and we are looking at this and are in active discussions around it. —ac rydym yn edrych ar hyn ac yn cael trafodaethau gweithredol yn ei gylch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776754 159 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Hawliau Rhentwyr Renters' Rights 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776755 160 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 5025 5025 Anthony Slaughter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 Slaughter, Anthony 4. Pa gynnydd y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud o ran ei chynlluniau i amddiffyn hawliau rhentwyr? OQ64622 4. What progress has the Welsh Government made on its plans to protect renters' rights? OQ64622 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776756 161 Cy 2026-10-07T14:58:17 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7454&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7454&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Mae cryfhau hawliau tenantiaid yn flaenoriaeth i'r Llywodraeth yma. Mae rhentwyr yn haeddu cartref diogel, cynnes a fforddiadwy, ac fe ddylen nhw deimlo'n hyderus yn herio amodau gwael. Mae newid cadarnhaol yn gofyn am gyfraith dda, a bydd cam cyntaf ein rhaglen ddeddfwriaethol yn amddiffyn tenantiaid yn well, yn mynd i'r afael â landlordiaid gwael ac yn gwneud rhentu yn fwy diogel. Strengthening tenants' rights is a priority for this Government. Renters deserve a safe, warm, secure and affordable home, and they should feel confident challenging poor conditions. Positive change requires good law, and the first phase of our legislative programme will better protect tenants, tackle poor landlords and make renting more secure. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776760 162 En 2026-10-07T14:58:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7481&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7481&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5025 5025 Anthony Slaughter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 Slaughter, Anthony Diolch, Minister. Strengthening the rights and protection for renters is, as you know, fundamental for ending the housing emergency in Wales. The Government's response so far does not meet the scale of the challenge. We are approaching another winter where people will be living in cold, freezing, damp, inadequate homes, and this is already a crisis. Families in Wales are spending over a third of their income on rent in the private sector, and they are still subject to the risk of a no-fault eviction, something that has been outlawed in England and Scotland but not in Wales. People across Wales need reassurance that you will stand up for their rights and protect them from unscrupulous landlords. Will you commit to ending no-fault evictions at the earliest possible opportunity, and will you now commit to an immediate freezing of rents in the private rental sector to give people much needed breathing space in the cost-of-living crisis? Diolch. Diolch, Weinidog. Mae cryfhau hawliau ac amddiffyniadau i rentwyr, fel y gwyddoch, yn hanfodol ar gyfer dod â'r argyfwng tai yng Nghymru i ben. Nid yw ymateb y Llywodraeth hyd yn hyn yn cyfateb i faint yr her. Rydym yn agosáu at aeaf arall lle bydd pobl yn byw mewn cartrefi oer, rhewllyd, llaith ac annigonol, ac mae hyn eisoes yn argyfwng. Mae teuluoedd yng Nghymru yn gwario dros draean o'u hincwm ar rent yn y sector preifat, ac maent yn dal i fod mewn perygl o gael eu troi allan heb fai, rhywbeth sydd wedi'i wahardd yn Lloegr a'r Alban ond nid yng Nghymru. Mae angen sicrwydd ar bobl ledled Cymru y byddwch chi'n sefyll dros eu hawliau ac yn eu diogelu rhag landlordiaid diegwyddor. A wnewch chi ymrwymo i wahardd troi allan heb fai cyn gynted â phosibl, ac a wnewch chi ymrwymo nawr i rewi rhenti ar unwaith yn y sector rhentu preifat er mwyn rhoi'r lle i anadlu y mae pobl gymaint o'i angen yn ystod yr argyfwng costau byw? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776762 163 Cy 2026-10-07T14:59:48 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7545&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7545&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr iawn am y cwestiynau yna. Mae'r sector rhentu preifat yn chwarae rhan hanfodol yn ein system dai ni, efo tua un rhan o chwech o aelwydydd yn rhentu, ac felly mae hi'n bwysig iawn ein bod ni'n rhoi sylw penodol i bobl sydd yn wynebu costau cynyddol yn y rhent ac felly yn eu costau byw. Mi ydym ni, fel Llywodraeth, yn bwriadu gwneud hyn fesul cam. Fe fyddwch chi'n sylweddoli mai Llywodraeth leiafrifol ydym ni, ac felly efallai fydd yr uchelgais yr ydych chi a fi yn ei rannu ddim yn mynd i fod yn bosib yn llwyr, ond dwi'n benderfynol o wella amodau ar gyfer rhentwyr. Y Bil rhentwyr cyntaf fydd y cam cyntaf mewn rhaglen fydd yn datblygu wrth i ni symud ymlaen. Mi fydd y Bil rhentwyr cyntaf yn ein galluogi ni i gasglu'r data angenrheidiol sydd ei angen ar gyfer gweld beth yn union ydy'r sefyllfa rhentu ar draws Cymru mewn gwahanol ardaloedd. Bydd hwnna wedyn yn rhoi sylfaen i ni adeiladu arni ar gyfer ail a thrydydd Bil. A'r nod yn y pen draw, wrth gwrs, ydy ein bod ni'n rhoi mewn cyfraith yng Nghymru yr hawl i gartref digonol, a bod hwnna'n rhan bwysig o gyfraith a deddfwriaeth yng Nghymru. Thank you very much for those questions. The private rental sector does play a crucial role in our housing system, with around one in six households renting, and therefore it is hugely important that we give particular attention to those people who are facing increasing costs in their rent and thus in their costs of living. We, as a Government, intend to do this via a phased approach. You will realise that we are a minority Government, and so perhaps the ambition that you and I share won't be able to be delivered in full, but I am determined to improve the position for renters. The first renters Bill will be the first phase in a programme that will develop as we proceed. The first renters Bill will enable us to gather the necessary data that we need in order to see exactly what the situation in terms of renting in Wales in different areas. And that will provide us with a foundation to build on for a second and third Bill. And the aim ultimately, of course, is that we place in law in Wales the right to an adequate home, and that that is an important part of the Welsh legislative landscape. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776729 164 Cy 2026-10-07T15:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7557&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7557&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776766 165 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Darpariaeth Tai Housing Delivery 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776767 166 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera 5. Pa asesiad y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'i wneud o effaith gofynion ansawdd datblygu ar ddarpariaeth tai? OQ64666 5. What assessment has the Welsh Government made of the impact of development quality requirements on housing delivery? OQ64666 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776768 167 Cy 2026-10-07T15:01:33 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7650&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7650&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Mae gofynion ansawdd datblygu Cymru yn sicrhau bod cartrefi cymdeithasol newydd yn darparu amgylchedd lle gall aelwydydd ffynnu, ac sy'n addasu i'w hanghenion newidiol. Mae gennym ni gyflenwad cryf o dai sy'n bodloni'r safonau yma, gan ddarparu cartrefi sy'n gynaliadwy, yn fforddiadwy i'w rhedeg, gan helpu i greu cymunedau bywiog ledled Cymru. The Welsh development quality requirements ensure that new social homes provide an environment where households can thrive, and which adapt to their changing needs. We have a strong pipeline of housing that meets these standards, delivering homes that are sustainable and affordable to run, while helping to create vibrant communities across Wales. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776773 168 Cy 2026-10-07T15:01:56 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7673&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7673&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera Diolch am yr ymateb, Weinidog. Thank you for that response, Minister. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776776 169 En 2026-10-07T15:01:58 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7675&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7675&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera Over the summer, I had the opportunity to meet with Trivallis, who are undertaking a development in Penrhys, in the Rhondda, to deliver around 1,000 new homes over the next 10 years. They raised with me some challenges presented by the current development quality requirements. Trivallis has relayed to me that the current development quality requirements require housing associations to build to standards above those set by building regulations, including achieving energy performance certificate A or an alternative approved design. In Penrhys, I've been told that this is adding around 15 per cent to construction costs and achieving the required standard can be technically challenging for high-rise developments and other homes in urban areas. I'd be keen to hear your view on this, Cabinet Minister, particularly around whether we are striking the right balance between ensuring high-quality, energy-efficient homes and cost-effectiveness. Diolch. Dros yr haf, cefais gyfle i gyfarfod â Trivallis, sy'n cyflawni datblygiad ym Mhenrhys, yn y Rhondda, i ddarparu tua 1,000 o gartrefi newydd dros y 10 mlynedd nesaf. Fe wnaethant ddweud wrthyf am rai o'r heriau sy'n deillio o'r gofynion ansawdd datblygu presennol. Roedd Trivallis yn dweud bod y gofynion ansawdd datblygu presennol yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gymdeithasau tai adeiladu i safonau uwch na'r rhai a osodir gan reoliadau adeiladu, gan gynnwys cyflawni tystysgrif perfformiad ynni A neu gynllun amgen cymeradwy. Ym Mhenrhys, dywedwyd wrthyf fod hyn yn ychwanegu tua 15 y cant at gostau adeiladu a gall cyflawni'r safon angenrheidiol fod yn heriol yn dechnegol ar gyfer datblygiadau adeiladau uchel iawn a chartrefi eraill mewn ardaloedd trefol. Rwy'n awyddus i glywed eich barn ar hyn, Weinidog Cabinet, yn enwedig ynglŷn ag a ydym yn taro'r cydbwysedd cywir rhwng sicrhau cartrefi o ansawdd uchel, effeithlon o ran eu defnydd o ynni, a chosteffeithiolrwydd. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776786 170 En 2026-10-07T15:02:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7728&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7728&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr. I have heard other social landlords cite this as something that we need to look at, and that they think that maybe the balance should be redressed a little bit. So, my officials are available to discuss any challenges Trivallis or other social landlords are facing in bringing forward proposals. I've asked my officials to look specifically at the issue raised around EPC A, and so I hope to see that work come forward in the near future. On high-rise developments, we are pragmatic that, as long as all attempts to comply with the standard are taken, we'll accept schemes that achieve below EPC A—for instance, high EPC B with good levels of airtightness. Diolch yn fawr. Rwyf wedi clywed landlordiaid cymdeithasol eraill yn cyfeirio at hyn fel rhywbeth y mae angen inni edrych arno, a'u bod yn meddwl efallai y dylid unioni'r cydbwysedd ychydig. Felly, mae fy swyddogion ar gael i drafod unrhyw heriau y mae Trivallis neu landlordiaid cymdeithasol eraill yn eu hwynebu wrth gyflwyno cynigion. Rwyf wedi gofyn i fy swyddogion edrych yn benodol ar y mater a godwyd ynghylch EPC A, ac felly rwy'n gobeithio gweld y gwaith hwnnw'n cael ei gyflwyno yn y dyfodol agos. Ar ddatblygiadau adeiladau uchel iawn, rydym yn bragmatig, cyn belled â bod pob ymdrech i gydymffurfio â'r safon, byddwn yn derbyn cynlluniau sy'n cyflawni islaw EPC A—er enghraifft, EPC B uchel gyda lefelau da o aerglosrwydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776791 171 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Twf Tai Housing Growth 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776792 172 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 4562 4562 Laura Anne Jones AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 Jones, Laura Anne 6. Sut mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn sicrhau bod seilwaith yn cadw i fyny â thwf tai? OQ64672 6. How does the Welsh Government ensure infrastructure keeps pace with housing growth? OQ64672 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776793 173 Cy 2026-10-07T15:03:53 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7790&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7790&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch. Mae'r polisi cynllunio yn nodi bod angen i awdurdodau cynllunio lleol gefnogi'r gwaith o ddarparu pob math o seilwaith sydd ei angen i ddiwallu anghenion cymunedau pan fydd datblygiadau tai newydd yn cael eu hystyried. Thank you. Planning policy sets out that local planning authorities should support the provision of all types of infrastructure required to meet the needs of communities when new housing developments are considered. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776794 174 En 2026-10-07T15:04:13 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7810&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7810&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4562 4562 Laura Anne Jones AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 Jones, Laura Anne Diolch. Minister, most communities in my constituency are already stretched to the limit. It's already hard to get a GP appointment, seeing an NHS dentist is almost impossible, and schools already have too many children in the classroom without the right support, yet more homes are being approved without the infrastructure there to support them. We all want to see more housing as soon as possible, as has been said today, but there has to be some common sense attached to it. I know this has been brought up quite a number of times today in this Senedd, and I want to just reiterate points made by the Member for Carmarthenshire and the Member for Fflint Wrecsam, because my constituency shares those same pressures, and that's why I welcome the consultation that is open right now. But how do you envisage better infrastructure planning around new housing developments? And, as you develop the new national development framework following the consultation, will you work with local authorities to look to reform planning policy to ensure that any large housing developments are only approved where there is the necessary infrastructure already in place, or there is clear funding commitment to deliver it alongside the housing? As you've said today, that should be happening, but as you know and I know and this Chamber knows— Diolch. Weinidog, mae'r rhan fwyaf o gymunedau yn fy etholaeth eisoes wedi'u hymestyn i'r eithaf. Mae eisoes yn anodd cael apwyntiad meddyg teulu, mae gweld deintydd y GIG bron yn amhosibl, ac mae gan ysgolion ormod o blant yn yr ystafell ddosbarth heb y gefnogaeth gywir, eto i gyd mae mwy o gartrefi'n cael eu cymeradwyo heb y seilwaith yno i'w cefnogi. Rydym i gyd eisiau gweld mwy o dai cyn gynted â phosibl, fel y dywedwyd heddiw, ond rhaid bod rhywfaint o synnwyr cyffredin ynghlwm wrth hynny. Rwy'n gwybod bod hyn wedi codi sawl gwaith heddiw yn y Senedd, ac rwyf am ailadrodd pwyntiau a wnaed gan yr Aelod dros Sir Gaerfyrddin a'r Aelod dros Fflint Wrecsam, oherwydd mae fy etholaeth yn rhannu'r un pwysau, a dyna pam rwy'n croesawu'r ymgynghoriad sydd ar y gweill ar hyn o bryd. Ond sut ydych chi'n rhagweld gwell cynllunio seilwaith o amgylch datblygiadau tai newydd? Ac wrth i chi ddatblygu'r fframwaith datblygu cenedlaethol newydd yn dilyn yr ymgynghoriad, a wnewch chi weithio gydag awdurdodau lleol i edrych ar ddiwygio polisi cynllunio i sicrhau bod unrhyw ddatblygiadau tai mawr ond yn cael eu cymeradwyo lle mae'r seilwaith angenrheidiol eisoes yn ei le, neu fod ymrwymiad cyllido clir i'w gyflawni ochr yn ochr â'r tai? Fel y dywedoch chi heddiw, dylai hynny fod yn digwydd, ond fel y gwyddoch chi a minnau a'r Siambr hon— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776739 175 En 2026-10-07T15:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7857&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776752 176 Cy 2026-10-07T15:05:22 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7879&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7879&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Gweinidog Cabinet. Cabinet Minister. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776753 177 En 2026-10-07T15:05:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7879&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7879&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4562 4562 Laura Anne Jones AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4562 Jones, Laura Anne —it's not. Diolch. —nid yw'n digwydd. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776757 178 Cy 2026-10-07T15:05:24 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7881&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7881&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Fel rydych chi'n dweud, mi ddylai hynna fod yn digwydd, a dwi yn cyd-fynd efo lot o'r hyn roeddech chi'n ei ddweud ar hyn. Mi ddylai awdurdodau cynllunio, ar y cyd â darparwyr allweddol, gymryd agwedd strategol a hirdymor tuag at ddarparu seilwaith wrth lunio cynlluniau. Gall hynny, wrth gwrs, gynnwys cydweithio rhwng awdurdodau lleol a darparwyr seilwaith allweddol i sicrhau bod hwnnw'n gynaliadwy ac yn addas i ddiben. Felly, mae fy neges i'n glir, ond, wrth gwrs, gwaith yr awdurdodau lleol ydy creu'r cynlluniau datblygu lleol. Dwi yn meddwl y dylai pob un ohonom ni gymryd llawer mwy o sylw pan fo'r cynlluniau datblygu lleol yma yn cael eu creu, ac yn cymryd rhan yn y broses fel Aelodau o'r Senedd, fel cynghorwyr, fel cynghorwyr cymuned, fel ein bod ni, ein llais ni, ynglŷn â seilwaith ac ynglŷn â materion eraill, yn cael ei glywed. As you say, that should be happening, and I agree with a lot of what you said on this subject. Planning authorities, along with key providers, should take a strategic and long-term approach towards providing infrastructure in drawing up plans. That can, of course, include collaboration between local authorities and key infrastructure providers to ensure that that is sustainable and fit for purpose. So, my message is clear, but, of course, it is for the local authorities to create the LDPs. I do think that all of us should take a lot more notice when those LDPs are created and should take part in the process as Members of the Senedd, as councillors and as community councillors, so that our voice, on infrastructure and other issues, is heard. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776770 179 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Adeiladu Tai House Building 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776771 180 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven 7. Pa gynlluniau sydd gan Lywodraeth Cymru i gefnogi gwaith adeiladu tai yng Ngŵyr Abertawe? OQ64671 7. What plans does the Welsh Government have to support housebuilding in Gŵyr Abertawe? OQ64671 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776772 181 Cy 2026-10-07T15:06:41 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7958&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7958&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch. Mae Cyngor Abertawe wedi cael dros £38 miliwn o'r grant tai cymdeithasol a £9.5 miliwn drwy raglen gyfalaf llety trosiannol eleni yn unig. Efo'i gilydd, bydd hynna yn cyfrannu at ddarparu 541 o gartrefi ychwanegol ar draws y tymor seneddol hwn. Thank you. Swansea Council has been allocated over £38 million in social housing grant funding and £9.5 million through the transitional accommodation capital programme this year alone. Together, this will contribute to the delivery of 541 additional homes across this Senedd term. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776775 182 En 2026-10-07T15:07:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=7982&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=7982&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven Thank you, Minister. Minister, your Government promised 20,000 additional social homes by 2030, despite Wales's nation of sanctuary and Swansea's city of sanctuary status potentially drawing further claimants into our lands, and you just said that we do not have enough social housing. My understanding is that Swansea Council does not collect immigration status data for social housing applicants. I consider that remiss. I was also surprised that you said that you were not sure why we would collect that data. The people of Swansea and Wales deserve transparency to understand the full scale of the situation. Will your Government take concrete action to close this unacceptable void in the data and publish clear comparisons of social housing allocations and waiting times for established local residents versus newly arrived people and how crucial allocation decisions are made? Diolch, Weinidog. Weinidog, fe addawodd eich Llywodraeth 20,000 o gartrefi cymdeithasol ychwanegol erbyn 2030, er bod cenedl noddfa Cymru a statws dinas noddfa Abertawe o bosibl yn denu hawlwyr pellach i'n gwlad, ac fe wnaethoch chi ddweud nawr nad oes gennym ddigon o dai cymdeithasol. Fy nealltwriaeth i yw nad yw Cyngor Abertawe'n casglu data statws mewnfudo ar gyfer ymgeiswyr am dai cymdeithasol. Rwy'n ystyried hynny'n esgeulus. Roeddwn yn synnu hefyd eich bod wedi dweud nad oeddech chi'n siŵr pam y byddem yn casglu'r data hwnnw. Mae pobl Abertawe a Chymru'n haeddu tryloywder i ddeall graddfa lawn y sefyllfa. A wnaiff eich Llywodraeth roi cymryd camau pendant ar waith i gau'r bwlch annerbyniol hwn yn y data a chyhoeddi cymariaethau clir o ddyraniadau tai cymdeithasol ac amseroedd aros i drigolion lleol sefydledig yn hytrach na phobl sydd newydd gyrraedd a sut y caiff penderfyniadau dyrannu allweddol eu gwneud? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776780 183 Cy 2026-10-07T15:07:58 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8035&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8035&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Dwi jest yn mynd i ddweud unwaith eto fod tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu dyrannu yn ôl angen, ddim yn ôl cenedligrwydd. Pan ydych chi'n defnyddio y term 'foreign nationals', dwi ddim yn siŵr yn union beth rydych chi'n cyfeirio ato fo yn fanna. Mae 'foreign nationals' yn cynnwys pobl, teuluoedd, plant, sydd yn gweithio yn ein NHS ni, sydd yn gweithio yn ein cartrefi gofal ni, sydd yn dreifio'n bysys ni, sydd yn gwneud gwaith arbennig, gwaith pwysig sydd angen ei gyflawni yma yng Nghymru. Mae eu hanghenion nhw ar gyfer tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu hystyried yn union yr un fath ag anghenion pawb arall. Mae pawb sydd yn byw yng Nghymru yn haeddu cael cartref digonol, waeth beth ydy eu cenedligrwydd nhw, waeth beth fo'u cefndir nhw neu waeth beth fo'u rhywedd nhw. Mae pawb sydd yn byw yng Nghymru yn haeddu cael tŷ cymdeithasol. I will just repeat once again that social housing is allocated according to need, not according to nationality. When you use the term 'foreign nationals', I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to there. 'Foreign nationals' include people, families, children, who work in our NHS, who work in our care homes, who drive our buses, who do excellent and important work that needs to be done here in Wales. Their needs for social housing are considered in the same way as everyone else's needs. Everyone who lives in Wales deserves to have an adequate home, whatever their nationality, whatever their background or their sex. Everyone living in Wales deserves a home. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776788 184 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning B Ceisiadau Cynllunio Planning Applications 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776789 185 Cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning O 12159 12159 David Hughes AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12159 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12159 Hughes, David 8. Pa gamau y mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet yn eu cymryd i gyflymu'r gwaith o brosesu ceisiadau cynllunio gan awdurdodau lleol? OQ64640  8. What action is the Cabinet Minister taking to speed up the processing of planning applications by local authorities? OQ64640  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776790 186 Cy 2026-10-07T15:09:13 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8110&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8110&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr. Mae yna dipyn o ddiddordeb yn hyn heddiw. Rhaid i’n system gynllunio ni weithredu mewn modd amserol, ond rhaid iddi hefyd, wrth gwrs, wneud penderfyniadau cadarn i gyflawni ein huchelgeisiau ni ar gyfer Cymru, yn arbennig o ran yr economi a chymunedau. Dyna pam mae ein rhaglen lywodraethu ni yn ein hymrwymo ni i ddiwygio’r system gynllunio. Thank you very much. There is significant interest in this today. Our planning system must operate in a timely fashion, but it must also, of course, make robust decisions to deliver our ambitions for Wales, especially in terms of the economy and communities. That is why our programme for government has committed us to reform the planning system. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776796 187 En 2026-10-07T15:09:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8134&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8134&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 12159 12159 David Hughes AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12159 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12159 Hughes, David Minister, people in Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr have been asking me how many more years will communities and businesses have to wait for a planning system that delivers decisions promptly. Will you commit to clear, measurable targets for reducing delays? Will you introduce clear planning performance targets for councils and Welsh Government, and publish the results so that the public can hold both to account for the delays? Thank you. Weinidog, mae pobl ym Mhontypridd Cynon Merthyr wedi bod yn gofyn i mi faint o flynyddoedd eto y bydd yn rhaid i gymunedau a busnesau aros am system gynllunio sy'n darparu penderfyniadau'n brydlon. A wnewch chi ymrwymo i dargedau clir, mesuradwy ar gyfer lleihau oedi? A wnewch chi gyflwyno targedau perfformiad cynllunio clir ar gyfer cynghorau a Llywodraeth Cymru, a chyhoeddi'r canlyniadau fel y gall y cyhoedd ddwyn cynghorau a'r Llywodraeth i gyfrif am yr oedi? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776765 188 En 2026-10-07T15:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8157&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8157&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776769 189 En 2026-10-07T15:10:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8168&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8168&l=cy 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian I don't think it's quite as simple as you point out. There are delays in the system, but there are all kinds of reasons why these delays come about. I absolutely want to hear your views in the call for evidence that we are holding, some of which you've talked about now, but there are lots of other matters that can be taken into account to try and make the system more streamlined. But I do give a caution: the capacity within the planning authorities has dwindled. It's become smaller and smaller because of austerity, because of cuts that have happened where councils have had to try and protect education, social services. Quite often, it's the planning and the planners that are affected. So, please can we bear that in mind as well when we're talking about streamlining of the planning process? Nid wyf yn credu ei fod mor syml â'r hyn a nodwch. Mae oedi yn y system, ond mae pob math o resymau dros oedi o'r fath. Rwy'n sicr yn awyddus i glywed eich safbwyntiau yn yr alwad am dystiolaeth a gynhelir gennym, ac rydych chi wedi siarad am rai ohonynt nawr, ond mae yna lawer o faterion eraill y gellir eu hystyried i geisio gwneud y system yn symlach. Ond rwy'n rhoi rhybudd: mae'r capasiti o fewn yr awdurdodau cynllunio wedi lleihau. Mae wedi mynd yn llai ac yn llai oherwydd cyni, oherwydd toriadau sydd wedi digwydd lle mae cynghorau wedi gorfod ceisio diogelu addysg, gwasanaethau cymdeithasol. Yn aml, y cynllunio a'r cynllunwyr sy'n cael eu heffeithio. Felly, a gawn ni gadw hynny mewn cof hefyd pan fyddwn yn siarad am symleiddio'r broses gynllunio? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776777 190 Cy 2026-10-07T15:11:04 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8221&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8221&l=en 261007-2 2. Cwestiynau i’r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio 2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, Weinidog Cabinet.  Thank you, Cabinet Minister.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776779 191 Cy 2026-10-07T15:11:06 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8223&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8223&l=en 261007-3 3. Cwestiynau Amserol 3. Topical Questions C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn yn awr at eitem 3, cwestiynau amserol. Ni dderbyniwyd unrhyw gwestiynau amserol heddiw.  We'll move now to item 3, the topical questions. No topical questions have been accepted today. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776784 192 Cy 2026-10-07T15:11:13 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8230&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8230&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Eitem 4 nesaf, datganiadau 90 eiliad. Yn gyntaf, Elwyn Vaughan.  Item 4 is next, the 90-second statements. And the first of those is from Elwyn Vaughan.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776787 193 Cy 2026-10-07T15:11:23 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8240&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8240&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 8371 8371 Elwyn Vaughan https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8371 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8371 Vaughan, Elwyn Diolch, Lywydd. 'Go, Elfyn, go': dyna oedd y gri wythnos yma ym mhentref Dinas Mawddwy, ac ar hyd a lled Cymru y benwythnos hon. Wrth i genedl gyfan ddal eu gwynt, croesi bysedd a gwylio pob car a phob cornel, daeth y freuddwyd yn realiti yn haul Sardinia: Elfyn Evans a Scott Martin, pencampwyr ralio’r byd. Llongyfarchiadau iddynt. Ac am ddiweddglo. Ar ôl blynyddoedd o ddod mor agos—ar ôl boddi wrth y lan dro ar ôl tro ar ôl tro—am bleser oedd hi o’r diwedd gweld Elfyn yn codi’r tlws arbennig, a hynny o dan yr amgylchiadau mwyaf dramatig posib. A thra mor felys fu’r fuddugoliaeth, am wych oedd gweld y ddrama’n datblygu’n fyw ar S4C, gan ganiatáu i genedl gyfan rannu’r cyffro, y nerfau a’r dathlu drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg. 'Drama yn y diwedd' ebychodd sylwebydd Ralio, Howard Davies, geiriau sydd bellach wedi eu clywed ledled y byd. Llongyfarchiadau mawr, Elfyn, Cymro a'r Prydeiniwr cyntaf i gyflawni’r gamp ers chwarter canrif. Rydym i gyd mor falch o dy lwyddiant haeddiannol—neb llai, wrth gwrs, na dy dad, Gwyndaf, yntau’n gyn-bencampwr rali Prydain, ac sydd wedi dy ddilyn ar hyd y daith. O Ddinas Mawddwy i binacl y byd—am stori, am dymor, ac am fuddugoliaeth. Y Cymro balch o wlad y Gwylliaid bellach yn bencampwr y byd. Diolch.  Thank you, Llywydd. 'Go, Elfyn, go': that was the chant this week in the village of Dinas Mawddwy, and all over Wales this weekend. As a whole nation held its collective breath, crossed its fingers and watched every car and every corner, the dream became a reality in the Sardinian sun: Elfyn Evans and Scott Martin, world rally champions. Congratulations to them. And what a finale. After years of coming so close—falling just short time and time again—what a pleasure it was to finally see Elfyn lift up this special trophy, and to do so under the most dramatic circumstances possible. And while the victory was so sweet, how wonderful it was to see the drama unfold live on S4C, which allowed the entire nation to share the excitement, the nerves and the celebrations through the medium of Welsh. 'Drama at the finishing line' was the exclamation of the Ralio commentator, Howard Davies, words that have now reverberated around the world. Congratulations, Elfyn, the first Welshman and Briton to achieve this feat in a quarter of a century. We're all so proud of your well-deserved success—none more so, of course, than your own father, Gwyndaf, a former British rally champion, who has followed you all along this journey. From Dinas Mawddwy to the pinnacle of the world—what a story, what a season and what a victory. The proud Welshman from the land of the Gwylliaid, now the world champion. Thank you. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776825 194 En 2026-10-07T15:12:54 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8331&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8331&l=cy 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 12154 12154 Catherine Cullen AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12154 Cullen, Catherine Today, I stand to remember the victims of the horrific attacks in Israel on 7 October 2023. We remember the 1,200 people who lost their lives. We remember the families torn apart, the communities devastated and all those who were taken hostage. And today, I particularly want to remember two little boys, Ariel and Kfir Bibas. You may remember Ariel, a beautiful young boy in his Batman outfit running through the streets, and I wear my badge in memory of him today and anyone lost in this attack. Ariel was just four years old when he was taken, and Kfir was only nine months old. Their faces became known around the world as a heartbreaking symbol of innocent lives caught up in the horror of that day. We remember their mother, Shiri, too. We think of their father, Yarden, and the unimaginable loss endured by the Bibas family. Whatever our politics, there should always be space in this Chamber for humanity. There should be space to mourn innocent people, to condemn terrorism and to say clearly that deliberately targeting and taking civilian hostages can never be justified. So, today, from the Welsh Parliament, I, we, remember Ariel and Kfir and Shiri and Yarden and every innocent life taken on that day as a consequence. May their memories be a blessing and may all those who mourn find strength and peace. Heddiw, rwy'n codi i gofio dioddefwyr yr ymosodiadau erchyll yn Israel ar 7 Hydref 2023. Rydym yn cofio'r 1,200 o bobl a gollodd eu bywydau. Rydym yn cofio'r teuluoedd a chwalwyd, y cymunedau a ddinistriwyd a phawb a gafodd eu cymryd yn wystlon. A heddiw, rwyf eisiau cofio dau fachgen bach, Ariel a Kfir Bibas. Efallai y byddwch chi'n cofio Ariel, bachgen ifanc prydferth yn ei wisg Batman yn rhedeg trwy'r strydoedd, ac rwy'n gwisgo fy mathodyn er cof amdano heddiw ac unrhyw un a gollwyd yn yr ymosodiad hwn. Pedair oed oedd Ariel pan gafodd ei gymryd, a dim ond naw mis oed oedd Kfir. Daeth eu hwynebau'n adnabyddus ledled y byd fel symbol torcalonnus o fywydau diniwed wedi'u dal yn arswyd y diwrnod hwnnw. Rydym yn cofio eu mam, Shiri, hefyd. Rydym yn meddwl am eu tad, Yarden, a'r golled anhygoel a ddioddefodd y teulu Bibas. Beth bynnag yw ein gwleidyddiaeth, dylai fod lle bob amser yn y Siambr hon i ddynoliaeth. Dylai fod lle i alaru am bobl ddiniwed, i gondemnio terfysgaeth ac i ddweud yn glir na ellir cyfiawnhau targedu a chymryd gwystlon sifil yn fwriadol. Felly, heddiw, o Senedd Cymru, rwyf i, rydym ni'n cofio Ariel a Kfir a Shiri a Yarden a phob bywyd diniwed a gymerwyd ar y diwrnod hwnnw o ganlyniad. Boed i'r cof amdanynt fod yn fendith a boed i bawb sy'n galaru ddod o hyd i nerth a heddwch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776831 195 En 2026-10-07T15:14:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8425&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8425&l=cy 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 12187 12187 Andrew Griffin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12187 Griffin, Andrew This week is the first National Cadets Week, and I wanted to take the opportunity to recognise both the young people involved in the cadet forces and the volunteers who give up so much of their time to support them. I've been involved with the Royal Air Force Air Cadets for more than 40 years, first in uniform as a cadet and a member of staff, and now as a civilian trustee, so this is something very close to me. Over those years, I've seen many young people come through the organisation. Some have gone on to join the armed forces, but many haven't, and that's not the point. What the cadet movement does particularly well is give young people opportunities; it gives them confidence, responsibility, friendships and experiences they might otherwise never have had. And none of this happens without the adult volunteers who turn up week after week, often after a full day's work, and give their evenings and weekends to make it happen. His Majesty the King has recognised their contribution during National Cadets Week, and I would simply like to add my thanks. After more than 40 years, I am still very proud to be involved. Diolch.  Yr wythnos hon yw'r Wythnos Genedlaethol Cadetiaid gyntaf, ac roeddwn i eisiau manteisio ar y cyfle i gydnabod y bobl ifanc sy'n ymwneud â'r lluoedd cadetiaid a'r gwirfoddolwyr sy'n rhoi cymaint o'u hamser i'w cefnogi. Bûm yn ymwneud â Chadetiaid Awyr yr Awyrlu Brenhinol ers dros 40 mlynedd, yn gyntaf mewn lifrai fel cadet ac aelod o staff, a nawr fel ymddiriedolwr sifil, felly mae hyn yn rhywbeth sy'n agos iawn at fy nghalon. Dros y blynyddoedd hynny, gwelais lawer o bobl ifanc yn dod trwy'r sefydliad. Mae rhai wedi mynd yn eu blaenau i ymuno â'r lluoedd arfog, ond mae yna lawer nad ydynt wedi gwneud hynny, ac nid dyna'r pwynt. Yr hyn y mae'r mudiad cadetiaid yn ei wneud yn arbennig o dda yw rhoi cyfleoedd i bobl ifanc; mae'n rhoi hyder, cyfrifoldeb, cyfeillgarwch a phrofiadau iddynt na fyddent wedi'u cael fel arall. Ac nid oes dim o hyn yn digwydd heb yr oedolion sy'n gwirfoddoli a ddaw yno wythnos ar ôl wythnos, yn aml ar ôl diwrnod llawn o waith, ac sy'n rhoi eu nosweithiau a'u penwythnosau i wneud iddo ddigwydd. Mae Ei Fawrhydi y Brenin wedi cydnabod eu cyfraniad yn ystod Wythnos Genedlaethol y Cadetiaid, a hoffwn ychwanegu fy niolch. Ar ôl mwy na 40 mlynedd, rwy'n dal i fod yn falch iawn o gymryd rhan. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776774 196 En 2026-10-07T15:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8457&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8457&l=cy 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776816 197 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:06 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8643&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8643&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776799 198 Cy 2026-10-07T15:17:09 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8586&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8586&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776822 199 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776826 200 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:55 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8692&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8692&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776785 201 En 2026-10-07T15:15:40 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8497&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8497&l=cy 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 12186 12186 Beca Brown AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12186 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12186 Brown, Beca Just over 18 weeks ago, Venus Lamey turned up at the Nova Prestatyn parkrun dressed as a chicken. Since then, she has run 16 different parkruns across north Wales, dressed in a variety of costumes, including a dinosaur, a unicorn and Winnie the Pooh. Several of these parkruns have been in my constituency, Pont y Bala, Dolgellau and Hafan Pwllheli, where I went to meet her and to hear her story of why she chooses to run in some very eye-catching costumes. Venus believes in shifting shame. She runs because it helps her and to raise money for the Rape and Sexual Abuse Support Centre North Wales, who support the victims of sexual violence. Venus says, 'Through the hundreds of conversations I've had, it's highlighted to me just how many people in north Wales have either been affected by sexual violence themselves or know someone who has.' Venus wants to shift the shame from the victims of sexual abuse to the perpetrators. Last week, she ran the Nova Prestatyn parkrun again, wearing a Teletubbies costume, but this time, she wasn't the only one in an embarrassing costume: 64 people dressed up for Venus's Shift the Shame campaign. Venus will run her final parkrun this Saturday on the prom at Abermaw—Barmouth. So, if you're in the area, do go and cheer her on. Diolch, Venus, for everything you do.  Ychydig dros 18 wythnos yn ôl, daeth Venus Lamey i parkrun Nova Prestatyn wedi'i gwisgo fel iâr. Ers hynny, mae hi wedi rhedeg 16 parkrun gwahanol ar draws gogledd Cymru wedi'i gwisgo mewn amrywiaeth o wisgoedd, gan gynnwys dinosor, uncorn a Winnie the Pooh. Mae sawl un o'r parkruns hyn wedi bod yn fy etholaeth i, Pont y Bala, Dolgellau a Hafan Pwllheli, pan euthum i'w chyfarfod ac i glywed ei stori pam ei bod yn dewis rhedeg mewn gwisgoedd trawiadol iawn. Mae Venus yn credu mewn symud baich cywilydd. Mae hi'n rhedeg am fod hynny'n ei helpu ac i godi arian ar gyfer Canolfan Gymorth Trais a Cham-drin Rhywiol Gogledd Cymru, sy'n cefnogi dioddefwyr trais rhywiol. Dywed Venus, 'Drwy'r cannoedd o sgyrsiau a gefais, mae wedi amlygu i mi faint o bobl yng ngogledd Cymru sydd naill ai wedi cael eu heffeithio gan drais rhywiol eu hunain neu sy'n adnabod rhywun a effeithiwyd ganddo.' Mae Venus eisiau symud baich cywilydd oddi ar ddioddefwyr cam-drin rhywiol i'r troseddwyr. Yr wythnos diwethaf, rhedodd y parkrun Nova Prestatyn eto, gan wisgo gwisg Teletubbies, ond y tro hwn, nid hi oedd yr unig un mewn gwisg wirion: fe wisgodd 64 o bobl i fyny ar gyfer ymgyrch Shift the Shame Venus. Bydd Venus yn rhedeg ei parkrun olaf ddydd Sadwrn yma ar y prom yn Abermaw. Felly, os ydych chi yn yr ardal, ewch i'w chefnogi. Diolch, Venus, am bopeth rydych chi'n ei wneud. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776795 202 Cy 2026-10-07T15:17:06 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8583&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8583&l=en 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch, bawb.  Thank you, all. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 778067 203 En 2026-10-07T15:17:08 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8585&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8585&l=cy 261007-4 4. Datganiadau 90 eiliad 4. 90-second Statements C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw We move now to the motions to elect Members to committees. In accordance with Standing Orders 12.24 and 12.40, unless there are any objections, I propose that the motions to elect Members to committees are grouped for debate and for voting. Does any Member object? I see there are no objections. Symudwn at y cynigion i ethol Aelodau i bwyllgorau. Yn unol â Rheolau Sefydlog 12.24 a 12.40, oni bai bod unrhyw wrthwynebiadau, rwy'n cynnig bod y cynigion i ethol Aelodau i bwyllgorau yn cael eu grwpio ar gyfer dadl ac ar gyfer pleidleisio. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Rwy'n gweld nad oes unrhyw wrthwynebiadau. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776797 204 En 2026-10-07T15:17:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8605&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8605&l=cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw I call then on a member of the Business Committee to move the motions formally.  Galwaf felly ar aelod o'r Pwyllgor Busnes i wneud y cynigion yn ffurfiol. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776800 205 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9315 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Gareth Beer (Reform UK) yn lle Helen Jenner (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Diwylliant, Cyfathrebu, y Gymraeg a Chwaraeon. Motion NNDM9315 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects, Gareth Beer (Reform UK) in place of Helen Jenner (Reform UK) as a member of the Culture, Communications, Cymraeg and Sport Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776801 206 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9316 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Laura Anne Jones (Reform UK) yn lle Gareth Beer (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Newid Hinsawdd, yr Amgylchedd, Cynaliadwyedd a Materion Gwledig. Motion NNDM9316 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Laura Anne Jones (Reform UK) in place of Gareth Beer (Reform UK) as a member of the Climate Change, Environment, Sustainability and Rural Affairs Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776802 207 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9318 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) yn lle John Clark (Reform UK) yn aelod o Bwyllgor yr Economi, Ynni a Chysylltedd. Motion NNDM9318 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) in place of John Clark (Reform UK) as a member of the Economy, Energy and Connectivity Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776803 208 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9319 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol John Clark (Reform UK) yn lle Laura Anne Jones (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Cydraddoldeb, Hawliau Dynol a Chyfiawnder Cymdeithasol. Motion NNDM9319 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects John Clark (Reform UK) in place of Laura Anne Jones (Reform UK) as a member of the Equality, Human Rights and Social Justice Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776804 209 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9322 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Benjamin Hodge Mckenna (Reform UK) yn lle Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol. Motion NNDM9322 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Benjamin Hodge Mckenna (Reform UK) in place of Gareth Thomas (Reform UK) as a member of the Health and Social Care Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776805 210 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9323 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Llŷr Powell (Reform UK) yn lle Joe Martin (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Deisebau. Motion NNDM9323 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Llŷr Powell (Reform UK) in place of Joe Martin (Reform UK) as a member of the Petitions Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776806 211 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9324 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Iain McIntosh (Reform UK) yn lle Cai Parry-Jones (Reform UK) yn aelod o’r Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus a Gweinyddiaeth Gyhoeddus. Motion NNDM9324 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Iain McIntosh (Reform UK) in place of Cai Parry-Jones (Reform UK) as a member of the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776807 212 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9325 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol Cai Parry-Jones (Reform UK) yn lle Iain McIntosh (Reform UK), a Dan Thomas (Reform UK) yn lle  Benjamin Hodge McKenna (Reform UK) yn aelodau o’r Pwyllgor Cyllid. Motion NNDM9325 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Cai Parry-Jones (Reform UK) in place of Iain McIntosh (Reform UK), and Dan Thomas (Reform UK) in place of Benjamin Hodge McKenna (Reform UK) as members of the Finance Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776808 213 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynnig NNDM9326 Huw Irranca-Davies Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Gareth Beer Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.14, yn ethol John Clark (Reform UK) yn lle Cristiana Emsley (Reform UK), ac Art Wright (Reform UK) yn lle Paul Marr (Reform UK) yn aelodau o Bwyllgor y Cyfansoddiad, Cyfiawnder a Materion Allanol. Motion NNDM9326 Huw Irranca-Davies Supported by Art Wright, Gareth Beer To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects John Clark (Reform UK) in place of Cristiana Emsley (Reform UK), and Art Wright (Reform UK) in place of Paul Marr (Reform UK) as members of the Constitution, Justice and External Affairs Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776809 214 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Cynigiwyd y cynigion. Motions moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776810 215 En 2026-10-07T15:17:33 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8610&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8610&l=cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr I formally move the motions. Rwy'n gwneud y cynigion yn ffurfiol. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776811 216 En 2026-10-07T15:17:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8612&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8612&l=cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Thank you, Llŷr. The proposal is to agree the motions. Does any Member object? The motions are therefore agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. Diolch, Llŷr. Y cynnig yw cytuno ar y cynigion. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Derbyniwyd y cynigion felly yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776812 217 Cy 261007-5 Cynigion i Ethol Aelodau i Bwyllgorau Motions to elect Members to committees I Derbyniwyd y cynigion yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36. Motions agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776813 218 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:05 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8642&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8642&l=en 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn at eitem 5 nawr, cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio comisiynydd safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad. Galwaf ar Elyn Stephens i wneud y cynnig yn ffurfiol ar ran y Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad. We will now move to item 5, the motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new commissioner for standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee. I call on Elyn Stephens to formally move the motion on behalf of the Standards of Conduct Committee.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776817 219 Cy 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee I Cynnig NDM9308 Lindsay Whittle Cynnig bod y Senedd, yn unol ag adran 3 o Fesur Comisiynydd Safonau Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru 2009, a pharagraffau 1 a 2 o’r Atodlen i’r Mesur hwnnw, yn dirprwyo’r gwaith o wneud trefniadau fel y nodir ym mharagraff 1 ar gyfer recriwtio’r Comisiynydd Safonau (ond nid ar gyfer penodi’r person a nodir) i’r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad. Motion NDM9308 Lindsay Whittle To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with section 3 of, and paragraphs 1 and 2 of the Schedule to, the National Assembly for Wales Commissioner for Standards Measure 2009, delegates the making of arrangements specified in paragraph 1 for the recruitment of the Commissioner for Standards (but not the appointment of the person so identified) to the Standards of Conduct Committee. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776818 220 Cy 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776819 221 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:30 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8667&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8667&l=en 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee C 12164 12164 Elyn Stephens AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 Stephens, Elyn Symudaf y cynnig yn ffurfiol yn enw Lindsay Whittle. I formally move the motion in the name of Lindsay Whittle.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776821 222 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:34 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8671&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8671&l=en 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch yn fawr. Y cwestiwn: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Nac oes. Felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36. Thank you very much. The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? There are no objections and therefore the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776823 223 Cy 261007-6 5. Cynnig i ddirprwyo awdurdod ar gyfer gwneud y trefniadau i recriwtio Comisiynydd Safonau newydd i'r Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad 5. Motion to delegate authority to make the arrangements for recruiting a new Commissioner for Standards to the Standards of Conduct Committee I Derbyniwyd y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36. Motion agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776824 224 Cy 2026-10-07T15:18:54 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8691&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8691&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn nawr at eitem 6, dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol. Galwaf ar Tom Montgomery i wneud y cynnig. That brings us to item 6, Member debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): family drug and alcohol courts. I call on Tom Montgomery to move the motion.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776827 225 Cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts I Cynnig NDM9297 Tom Montgomery, Jane Dodds, Natasha Asghar, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd Cefnogwyd gan Art Wright, Helen Jenner, Iain McIntosh, John Clark, Louise Emery Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn gresynu nad oes Llys Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol (FDAC) wedi bod yng Nghymru ers mis Tachwedd 2023. 2. Yn nodi argymhelliad 35 yn yr adroddiad Cyfiawnder yng Nghymru dros Bobl Cymru ym mis Hydref 2019, sef y dylid sefydlu Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol yng Nghymru. 3. Yn cydnabod yr argymhelliad yn adroddiad Gwerthusiad o Gynllun Peilot y Llys Cyffuriau ac Alcohol i Deuluoedd yng Nghymru ym mis Mawrth 2024, sef y dylai cynlluniau i ehangu FDAC ymhellach yng Nghymru gael eu datblygu. 4. Yn croesawu’r canfyddiadau o’r treial yng Nghymru: a) bod rhieni yn hynod gadarnhaol ynghylch eu profiad o fod yn rhan o achos FDAC; b) bod nifer y rhieni oedd yn camddefnyddio sylweddau ar ddechrau achos FDAC wedi gostwng o 83 y cant i 54 y cant; ac c) bod nifer y plant oedd yng ngofal un neu’r ddau o’u rhieni wedi mwy na dyblu. 5. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i: a) gweithredu’r argymhelliad i fwrw ymlaen â chreu FDACs ledled Cymru; b) sicrhau bod FDACs yn rhan o strategaeth sy’n helpu i gadw plant allan o ofal; ac c) dysgu o brofiad y 13 tîm FDAC arbenigol sy’n gweithredu ar hyn o bryd, sy'n gweithio mewn 18 llys ac yn cefnogi teuluoedd mewn 35 awdurdod lleol yn Lloegr. Motion NDM9297 Tom Montgomery, Jane Dodds, Natasha Asghar, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd Supported by Art Wright, Helen Jenner, Iain McIntosh, John Clark, Louise Emery To propose that the Senedd: 1. Regrets that there has been no Family Drug and Alcohol Court (FDAC) in Wales since November 2023. 2. Notes recommendation 35 in the Justice in Wales for the People of Wales report from October 2019 that Family Drug and Alcohol Courts should be established in Wales. 3. Acknowledges the recommendation in the Evaluation of the Family Drug and Alcohol Court in Wales pilot report from March 2024 that plans to scale FDAC further in Wales should progress. 4. Welcomes the findings from the trial in Wales that: a) parents were overwhelmingly positive about their experience of being involved in FDAC proceedings; b) the number of parents misusing substances at the start of FDAC proceedings decreased from 83 per cent to 54 per cent; and c) the number of children in the care of one or both of their parents more than doubled. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) deliver on the recommendation to progress with creating FDACs across Wales; b) ensure that FDACs form a part of a strategy that helps keep children out of care; and c) learn from the experience of the 13 specialist FDAC teams currently in operation, working in 18 courts and supporting families in 35 local authorities in England. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776828 226 Cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776830 227 En 2026-10-07T15:19:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8712&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8712&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom Thank you, Llywydd. Before having the honour of being elected, I worked with some of the most vulnerable people in north Wales. As a Member of the Senedd, I have continued to champion their cause. Members, we should be deeply concerned that our country has a much higher rate of children in care than in England. In 2025, there were 114 children per 10,000 in the care of Welsh local authorities, compared to 67 children per 10,000 in the care of the local authorities in England. There are currently around 7,000 children in placement. In Wrexham, there are over 300 young people living in such a situation; Swansea has 475 and, in Cardiff, it's nearly 1,000. Diolch, Lywydd. Cyn cael yr anrhydedd o gael fy ethol, gweithiais gyda rhai o'r bobl fwyaf agored i niwed yng ngogledd Cymru. Fel Aelod o'r Senedd, rwyf wedi parhau i hyrwyddo eu hachos. Aelodau, dylem fod yn bryderus iawn fod gan ein gwlad gyfradd lawer uwch o blant mewn gofal nag yn Lloegr. Yn 2025, roedd 114 o blant ym mhob 10,000 yng ngofal awdurdodau lleol Cymru, o'i gymharu â 67 o blant ym mhob 10,000 yng ngofal yr awdurdodau lleol yn Lloegr. Ar hyn o bryd mae tua 7,000 o blant wedi'u lleoli mewn gofal. Yn Wrecsam, mae dros 300 o bobl ifanc yn byw mewn sefyllfa o'r fath; mae gan Abertawe 475 ac yng Nghaerdydd, mae'r ffigur bron yn 1,000. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776908 228 Cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts I Daeth y Dirprwy Lywydd (Kerry Ferguson) i’r Gadair. The Deputy Presiding Officer (Kerry Ferguson) took the Chair. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776782 229 En 2026-10-07T15:20:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=8759&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=8759&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom These figures are alarming, but they are not just numbers; they're human beings whose lives can be seriously impacted by their experience. Young people with care experience told the previous Senedd that, for example, some school teachers made it really obvious that they were in care, meaning that they never had a break from their experience of the care system. They told the previous Senedd that they had very little support to help them move on from foster placements and that they lacked the basic skills needed to live independently.  We know that care leavers are underrepresented at universities and are on what Crisis describes as a 'predictable route' into homelessness. According to the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, they are approximately four times more likely to have a mental health need compared to children living with their birth families. Overwhelmingly, professionals and academics have made it clear that corporate parenting has not been achieving for care-experienced children and young people. Parents are being failed too. Research shows that parents who go through care proceedings once are more likely to find themselves in proceedings again with subsequent children. Forty-seven per cent of newborn babies subject to care proceedings in England were born to mothers who had previously had children subject to care proceedings. The Nuffield Family Justice Observatory found that mothers and fathers who are frequently involved in care proceedings are dealing with complex and unresolved trauma, which is compounded by the court experience. The adversarial proceedings, formal language and impersonal process compound anxieties and triggers self-protective behaviours, which negatively impact the relationship between the professional and the family unit. Parents feel that they are not being listened to. As the independent review of children's social care in 2022 found, court proceedings are, by their nature, adversarial and have a high human and economic cost. Members, it doesn't have to be like this. There is another way: family drug and alcohol courts. How are these different? I want to answer by quoting the words of a parent who had previously had children removed, comparing the FDAC process to the standard process. Of the standard process, she said, 'We felt like we had no voice and that we were powerless, and that we were just being accused of things and that there was no opportunity to defend ourselves.' Speaking of the family drug and alcohol court process, the same parent said, 'It feels like we have the power to actually have our say, get things done, have our side heard, and then they try to work with us to improve things and meet in the middle.' Unlike standard proceedings, FDAC uses a trauma-informed approach, which includes listening to parents without judgment, focusing on parents' strengths and the resources that they currently have available to them, and allowing flexibility. Parents are given a key worker from the FDAC team and a judge who provides them with support and a problem-solving approach. There is weekly substance misuse testing, which involves the parents, and fortnightly non-lawyer reviews with consistent legal monitoring that creates a forum for judges and professionals to problem solve with the parents, set clear goals and delegate tasks for the following two weeks. Parents have a multidisciplinary team to support them, who help them to gain access to services and agencies. They provide transparent information and set up multiple sessions per week to address the intervention plan. Clearly, it’s a very different model to the standard process, but how do we get families there? One challenge that arose from the Welsh trial was that the number of referrals was hampered by confusion over the threshold. Professionals were thought to be pre-screening referrals themselves and only referring if parents' substance misuse was particularly severe. Some legal representatives were under the impression that the local authority was responsible for determining which cases met the threshold, while the judge suggested that there was a general lack of awareness and exposure to the model. That lack of awareness can be overcome when we follow the model used in London, which is that the usual threshold for proceedings applies, meaning that if a family is not selected for the model, they will enter the usual family proceedings court instead, and a family will qualify if they have a history of parental drug or alcohol misuse. So, now that we know what these courts are, I want to show you why the FDACs are a more effective model. The evaluation of the family drug and alcohol court in Wales found that the number of parents misusing substances decreased from 83 per cent at the start of the process to 54 per cent. The number of parents misusing alcohol, thanks to the proceedings, reduced from 91 per cent to 60 per cent. Not perfect, but a marked improvement. The number of parents recorded as misusing drugs fell from 94 per cent to 51 per cent. Those supported by the experience of family drug and alcohol courts in England and, more recently, the national FDAC impact evaluation, found that a higher proportion of parents stopped misusing drugs or alcohol by the end of the proceedings. The pilot in Wales showed that the number of children in the care of one or both of their parents more than doubled from the start of the proceedings to the end. That is supported, again, by a study in England, which found that 52 per cent of children were returned to their parents, compared to only 13 per cent in the standard process. The family teams almost halved the number of children being placed in local authority care. That's more family units kept as one. There are other proven benefits too. Unsurprisingly, feedback from parents is overwhelmingly positive. The Bedfordshire team evaluation saw parents describe the process as non-judgmental and inclusive, whilst parents in London described the system as transformative. And here in Wales, a parent who was reunited with their child at the end of the proceedings described the service as a lifesaver and said, 'My life's back on track because of the FDAC team. I can't recommend them enough.' 'I can't recommend them enough'—what a contrast to how parents feel about the standard process. It is a serious failure that whilst England has 13 of these specialist teams, we don't have a single one in Wales. The current situation goes against recommendation 35 of the 'Justice in Wales for the People of Wales' report. It goes against the recommendation in the evaluation of the Welsh pilot. It goes against the best interests of children, young people and their parents. There is no reason why this injustice cannot be stopped. This is confirmed when also considering the economic case. The Centre for Justice Innovation and Mutual Ventures' economic analysis shows that, for every £1 spent on FDAC operations, £3 is generated in savings to the taxpayer. A reduction in the cost of children's services needs to be taken extremely seriously, especially when we consider that overspends in Welsh local authorities arising from children's social care last year alone came to nearly £30 million. Bearing in mind the benefit to the taxpayer, the benefit to some of our most vulnerable children and the benefit to some of our most vulnerable parents, I urge the Senedd to back my motion today. Let us together create a care system that builds, not breaks families. Thank you. Mae'r ffigurau hyn yn frawychus, ond nid rhifau yn unig ydynt; maent yn fodau dynol y gall eu profiad effeithio'n ddifrifol ar eu bywydau. Dywedodd pobl ifanc â phrofiad o ofal wrth y Senedd flaenorol, er enghraifft, fod rhai athrawon ysgol wedi ei gwneud hi'n amlwg iawn eu bod mewn gofal, sy'n golygu na fyddent byth yn cael seibiant o'u profiad o'r system ofal. Fe wnaethant ddweud wrth y Senedd flaenorol mai ychydig iawn o gefnogaeth a gawsant i'w helpu i symud ymlaen o leoliadau maeth ac nad oedd ganddynt y sgiliau sylfaenol sydd eu hangen i fyw'n annibynnol. Gwyddom fod pobl sy'n gadael gofal wedi eu tangynrychioli mewn prifysgolion ac maent ar yr hyn y mae Crisis yn ei ddisgrifio fel 'llwybr rhagweladwy' i ddigartrefedd. Yn ôl y Gymdeithas Genedlaethol er Atal Creulondeb i Blant, maent oddeutu pedair gwaith yn fwy tebygol o fod ag angen iechyd meddwl o'i gymharu â phlant sy'n byw gyda'u teuluoedd biolegol. Mae gweithwyr proffesiynol ac academyddion wedi dweud yn glir iawn nad yw rhianta corfforaethol wedi bod yn cyflawni ar gyfer plant a phobl ifanc sydd â phrofiad o ofal. Mae rhieni'n cael cam hefyd. Mae ymchwil yn dangos bod rhieni sy'n mynd trwy achos gofal unwaith yn fwy tebygol o wynebu achos eto gyda phlant dilynol. Cafodd 47 y cant o fabanod newydd-anedig sy'n destunau achos gofal yn Lloegr eu geni i famau a oedd wedi cael plant a oedd yn destunau achos gofal o'r blaen. Canfu Arsyllfa Cyfiawnder Teuluol Nuffield fod mamau a thadau sydd â chysylltiad mynych ag achos gofal yn delio â thrawma cymhleth a heb ei ddatrys, a gaiff ei waethygu gan y profiad yn y llys. Mae'r dadleuon ymosodol, iaith ffurfiol a phroses amhersonol yn gwaethygu pryderon ac yn sbarduno ymddygiadau hunan-amddiffynnol, sy'n effeithio'n negyddol ar y berthynas rhwng yr uned broffesiynol a'r uned deuluol. Mae rhieni'n teimlo na chânt eu clywed. Fel y canfu'r adolygiad annibynnol o ofal cymdeithasol plant yn 2022, mae achosion llys, yn ôl eu natur, yn ymosodol ac mae iddynt gost ddynol ac economaidd uchel. Aelodau, nid oes raid iddi fod fel hyn. Mae yna ffordd arall: llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol (FDAC). Sut y mae'r rhain yn wahanol? Rwyf am ateb trwy ddyfynnu geiriau rhiant yr oedd eu plant wedi'u cymryd o'u gofal cyn hynny, gan gymharu proses FDAC â'r broses safonol. Am y broses safonol, dywedodd, 'Roeddem yn teimlo nad oedd gennym lais a'n bod ni'n ddi-rym, a'n bod yn cael ein cyhuddo o bethau ac nad oedd cyfle i amddiffyn ein hunain.' Wrth siarad am broses y llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol, dywedodd yr un rhiant, 'Mae'n teimlo fel pe bai gennym bŵer i ddweud ein dweud, cael pethau wedi'u gwneud, cael ein hochr ni wedi ei chlywed, ac yna maent yn ceisio gweithio gyda ni i wella pethau a chwrdd yn y canol.' Yn wahanol i achos safonol, mae FDAC yn defnyddio dull sy'n ystyriol o drawma, sy'n cynnwys gwrando ar rieni heb farnu, canolbwyntio ar gryfderau rhieni a'r adnoddau sydd ganddynt ar gael iddynt ar hyn o bryd, a chaniatáu hyblygrwydd. Mae rhieni'n cael gweithiwr allweddol o dîm FDAC a barnwr sy'n rhoi cymorth iddynt a dull datrys problemau. Mae yna brofion camddefnyddio sylweddau wythnosol, sy'n cynnwys y rhieni, ac adolygiadau bob pythefnos gan rai nad ydynt yn gyfreithwyr gyda monitro cyfreithiol cyson sy'n creu fforwm i farnwyr a gweithwyr proffesiynol ddatrys problemau gyda'r rhieni, gosod nodau clir a dirprwyo tasgau ar gyfer y pythefnos nesaf. Mae gan rieni dîm amlddisgyblaethol i'w cefnogi, sy'n eu helpu i gael mynediad at wasanaethau ac asiantaethau. Maent yn darparu gwybodaeth dryloyw ac yn sefydlu sawl sesiwn yr wythnos i fynd i'r afael â'r cynllun ymyrraeth. Yn amlwg, mae'n fodel gwahanol iawn i'r broses safonol, ond sut y mae cael teuluoedd yno? Un her a gododd o'r treial yng Nghymru oedd bod nifer yr atgyfeiriadau'n cael ei lesteirio gan ddryswch ynghylch y trothwy. Credid bod gweithwyr proffesiynol yn sgrinio atgyfeiriadau eu hunain rhag blaen a dim ond yn atgyfeirio os oedd camddefnydd rhieni o sylweddau'n arbennig o ddifrifol. Roedd rhai cynrychiolwyr cyfreithiol o dan yr argraff mai'r awdurdod lleol oedd yn gyfrifol am benderfynu pa achos oedd yn cyrraedd y trothwy, ac awgrymodd y barnwr fod diffyg ymwybyddiaeth a sylw cyffredinol i'r model. Gellir goresgyn y diffyg ymwybyddiaeth pan fyddwn yn dilyn y model a ddefnyddir yn Llundain, sef bod y trothwy arferol ar gyfer achos yn berthnasol, sy'n golygu os nad yw teulu'n cael ei ddewis ar gyfer y model, byddant yn wynebu'r llys achosion teulu arferol yn lle hynny, a bydd teulu'n gymwys os oes ganddynt hanes o gamddefnyddio cyffuriau neu alcohol gan rieni. Felly, gan ein bod yn gwybod bellach beth yw'r llysoedd hyn, rwyf am ddangos i chi pam y mae'r llysoedd FDAC yn fodel mwy effeithiol. Canfu'r gwerthusiad o'r llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yng Nghymru fod nifer y rhieni sy'n camddefnyddio sylweddau wedi gostwng o 83 y cant ar ddechrau'r broses i 54 y cant. Gostyngodd nifer y rhieni sy'n camddefnyddio alcohol, diolch i'r achosion FDAC, o 91 y cant i 60 y cant. Nid yw'n berffaith, ond mae'n welliant amlwg. Gostyngodd nifer y rhieni a gofnodwyd fel rhai a oedd yn camddefnyddio cyffuriau o 94 y cant i 51 y cant. Canfu'r rhai a gefnogwyd gan brofiad o lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn Lloegr, ac yn fwy diweddar, gwerthusiad o effaith FDAC yn genedlaethol, fod cyfran uwch o rieni wedi rhoi'r gorau i gamddefnyddio cyffuriau neu alcohol erbyn diwedd yr achos FDAC. Dangosodd y cynllun peilot yng Nghymru fod nifer y plant yng ngofal un neu'r ddau riant wedi mwy na dyblu o ddechrau achos FDAC i'w ddiwedd. Caiff hynny ei gefnogi, unwaith eto, gan astudiaeth yn Lloegr, a ganfu fod 52 y cant o blant wedi cael eu dychwelyd at eu rhieni, o'i gymharu â dim ond 13 y cant yn y broses safonol. Fe wnaeth y timau teuluol bron â haneru nifer y plant a gafodd eu rhoi yng ngofal awdurdodau lleol. Dyna fwy o unedau teuluol wedi'u cadw gyda'i gilydd. Ceir manteision profedig eraill hefyd. Nid yw'n syndod fod yr adborth gan rieni'n hynod gadarnhaol. Gwelodd gwerthusiad tîm swydd Bedford rieni'n disgrifio'r broses fel un anfeirniadol a chynhwysol, tra bod rhieni yn Llundain yn disgrifio'r system fel un drawsnewidiol. Ac yma yng Nghymru, disgrifiodd rhiant a gafodd eu haduno â'u plentyn ar ddiwedd yr achos FDAC y gwasanaeth fel achubwr bywyd a dywedodd, 'Mae fy mywyd yn ôl ar y trywydd iawn oherwydd tîm FDAC. Ni allaf eu hargymell ddigon.' 'Ni allaf eu hargymell ddigon'—am gyferbyniad â'r ffordd y mae rhieni'n teimlo am y broses safonol. Er bod gan Loegr 13 o'r timau arbenigol hyn, mae'n fethiant difrifol nad oes gennym ni un yng Nghymru. Mae'r sefyllfa bresennol yn mynd yn groes i argymhelliad 35 yr adroddiad 'Cyfiawnder yng Nghymru i Bobl Cymru'. Mae'n mynd yn groes i'r argymhelliad yn y gwerthusiad o'r cynllun peilot Cymreig. Mae'n mynd yn groes i fuddiannau gorau plant, pobl ifanc a'u rhieni. Nid oes unrhyw reswm pam na ellir atal yr anghyfiawnder hwn. Caiff hyn ei gadarnhau wrth ystyried yr achos economaidd hefyd. Mae dadansoddiad economaidd y Ganolfan Arloesi ym maes Cyfiawnder a Mutual Ventures yn dangos bod £3 yn cael ei gynhyrchu mewn arbedion i'r trethdalwr am bob £1 a werir ar weithrediadau FDAC. Mae'n bwysig iawn ystyried gostyngiad yng nghost gwasanaethau plant, yn enwedig pan ystyriwn fod gorwariant mewn awdurdodau lleol yng Nghymru yn deillio o ofal cymdeithasol plant y llynedd yn unig bron yn £30 miliwn. Gan gofio'r budd i'r trethdalwr, y budd i rai o'n plant mwyaf agored i niwed a'r budd i rai o'n rhieni mwyaf agored i niwed, rwy'n annog y Senedd i gefnogi fy nghynnig heddiw. Gadewch inni greu system ofal gyda'n gilydd sy'n adeiladu, nid yn chwalu teuluoedd. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776781 230 En 2026-10-07T15:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9057&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776820 231 En 2026-10-07T15:28:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9264&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9264&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12167 12167 Sarah Cooper-Lesadd AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah I was three weeks old when I came into care in Newport. I was seven when I was adopted. So, when the Senedd talks about children whose parents cannot look after them, I am not talking about a policy area, I'm talking about the thing that decided my life before I could speak. That does not make me an expert on anybody else's family, but I think a great deal about the moment before a child is taken into care, because nearly everything we do for children, like me, happens afterwards, when the hardest thing has happened. In December 2021, Wales opened a court designed for exactly that moment, a family drug and alcohol court sitting in Cardiff, serving families from Cardiff and the Vale, with three judges trained for it. It cost £450,000. In November 2023, it closed, but not because it failed. Researchers at Cardiff University looked at it and found that it worked here, that parents were getting better, that children's lives were changing. They said that Wales should keep it and build on it. The judge who sat in it wrote down his regret in the judgment. He could see what it meant for the families still in front of him. It closed because the money ran out. Let me tell you about what that court actually did. A judge who heard your case properly, rather than whoever happened to be sitting that day. A team of people around you who were there to help, not to judge. Parents were given a chance to get clean while the case was still running, instead of being watched and measured and found wanting. And when it worked, a child stayed at home. They were not moved, not placed, not separated from their brothers and their sisters—at home with a mother who had been given the help that she so desperately needed. Everywhere else, these cases take about a year. Think about what a year is to a three-year-old. It is a sixth of everything they have ever known spent waiting to be told where they are going to live. Let's be clear about what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that every family can be saved. Some children are inevitably safer away from their parents, and the courts are right when they say so. I'm one of those children. But care should be the last thing we try, not the first thing that happens. A child who stays safely at home keeps their family, their school and their peer group, their brothers and their sisters. A child who goes into care loses all three, and we become their parent instead. The Senedd agreed unanimously across four parties that we do take corporate parenting seriously—that when the state steps into a parent's place, it accepts the parental responsibility. I believe that, but a good parent does not wait until a child has already lost their family before deciding to help. If we mean what we said about corporate parenting, it cannot begin at the moment a child comes into care; it has to begin before. The question is not whether this works. England has many of these teams, but Wales has none. The question is why Wales could not keep it. Wales paid for this court; Wales paid for a court in a justice system it does not control. The courts belong to Westminster—the judges, the rules, the whole structure. But what belong to us are the social workers, the health services, the drug and alcohol teams—the people who made the court work, funded from here. Wales could pay for a pilot; what Wales could not do was put it on a statutory footing, because that at the moment is not ours to build. Wales could fund the team year after year and still never make the court itself a permanent part of the justice system. When the money ran out, there was nothing underneath it—it wasn't on a statutory footing. So, this is what happened—not a decision anyone took, not a judgment that this was wrong for Wales, just a court that existed on borrowed time and stopped existing. The Commission on Justice in Wales spent four years looking at this. It said in 2019 that these courts should be established in Wales. It also said that justice and policing should be devolved, because a system split down the middle serves nobody, least of all the people caught in the middle of it. I think they were right, and I do not know of a clearer example than this one. Wales paid for this court. It worked, it closed, and Wales never had the power to make it permanent in law. It was never able to be put on a statutory footing—there's no clearer example than this. Roeddwn i'n dair wythnos oed pan gefais fy nerbyn i ofal yng Nghasnewydd. Roeddwn i'n saith oed pan gefais fy mabwysiadu. Felly, pan fo'r Senedd yn sôn am blant nad yw eu rhieni'n gallu gofalu amdanynt, nid wyf yn siarad am faes polisi, rwy'n sôn am y peth a benderfynodd lwybr fy mywyd i cyn imi allu siarad. Nid yw hynny'n fy ngwneud i'n arbenigwr ar deulu unrhyw un arall, ond rwy'n meddwl llawer am y foment cyn i blentyn gael ei dderbyn i ofal, oherwydd mae bron bopeth a wnawn i blant fel fi yn digwydd wedyn, pan fo'r peth anoddaf wedi digwydd. Ym mis Rhagfyr 2021, agorodd Cymru lys a luniwyd ar gyfer yr union foment honno, llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yng Nghaerdydd, i wasanaethu teuluoedd o Gaerdydd a'r Fro, gyda thri barnwr wedi'u hyfforddi ar ei gyfer. Costiodd £450,000. Ym mis Tachwedd 2023, fe gaeodd, ond nid oherwydd ei fod wedi methu. Edrychodd ymchwilwyr ym Mhrifysgol Caerdydd arno a chanfod ei fod yn gweithio yma, fod rhieni'n gwella, fod bywydau plant yn newid. Fe wnaethant ddweud y dylai Cymru ei gadw ac adeiladu arno. Ysgrifennodd y barnwr a eisteddai ynddo ei fod yn gresynu ynghylch y penderfyniad. Gallai weld beth oedd yn ei olygu i'r teuluoedd a oedd yn dal o'i flaen. Fe gaeodd am fod yr arian wedi dod i ben. Gadewch imi ddweud wrthych beth oedd y llys hwnnw'n ei wneud mewn gwirionedd. Barnwr a wrandawai'n iawn ar eich achos, yn hytrach na phwy bynnag sy'n digwydd bod yn eistedd y diwrnod hwnnw. Tîm o bobl o'ch cwmpas a oedd yno i helpu, nid i farnu. Rhoddwyd cyfle i rieni roi'r gorau i gamddefnyddio sylweddau tra bod yr achos yn dal ar y gweill, yn hytrach na chael eu gwylio a'u mesur a'u barnu. A phan weithiai, byddai plentyn yn aros gartref. Ni chaent eu symud, ni chaent eu lleoli, ni chaent eu gwahanu oddi wrth eu brodyr a'u chwiorydd—gartref gyda mam a oedd wedi cael yr help yr oedd hi ei angen mor daer. Ym mhob man arall, mae'r achosion hyn yn cymryd tua blwyddyn. Meddyliwch beth yw blwyddyn i blentyn tair oed. Mae'n draean o bopeth y maent erioed wedi'i wybod yn cael ei dreulio'n aros i gael gwybod ble byddant yn byw. Gadewch inni fod yn glir am yr hyn nad wyf yn ei ddweud. Nid wyf yn dweud y gellir achub pob teulu. Mae rhai plant yn anochel yn fwy diogel allan o ofal eu rhieni, ac mae'r llysoedd yn iawn pan fyddant yn dweud hynny. Rwy'n un o'r plant hynny. Ond dylai gofal fod y peth olaf y ceisiwn ei wneud, nid y peth cyntaf sy'n digwydd. Mae plentyn sy'n aros yn ddiogel gartref yn cadw eu teulu, eu hysgol a'u grŵp cyfoedion, eu brodyr a'u chwiorydd. Mae plentyn sy'n mynd i ofal yn colli'r tri, ac rydym ni'n dod yn rhiant iddynt yn lle hynny. Cytunodd y Senedd yn unfrydol ar draws pedair plaid ein bod o ddifrif ynghylch rhianta corfforaethol—pan fydd y wladwriaeth yn camu i le rhiant, mae'n derbyn cyfrifoldeb rhiant. Rwy'n credu hynny, ond nid yw rhiant da yn aros nes bod plentyn eisoes wedi colli eu teulu cyn penderfynu helpu. Os ydym yn golygu'r hyn a ddywedasom am rianta corfforaethol, ni all ddechrau y foment y caiff plentyn ei dderbyn i ofal; rhaid iddo ddechrau cyn hynny. Nid a yw hyn yn gweithio yw'r cwestiwn. Mae gan Loegr lawer o'r timau hyn, ond nid oes un gan Gymru. Y cwestiwn yw pam na allai Cymru ei gadw. Talodd Cymru am y llys hwn; talodd Cymru am lys mewn system gyfiawnder nad yw'n ei rheoli. Mae'r llysoedd yn perthyn i San Steffan—y barnwyr, y rheolau, yr holl strwythur. Ond yr hyn sy'n perthyn i ni yw'r gweithwyr cymdeithasol, y gwasanaethau iechyd, y timau cyffuriau ac alcohol—y bobl a wnaeth i'r llys weithio, wedi'u hariannu o'r fan hon. Gallai Cymru dalu am gynllun peilot; yr hyn na allai Cymru ei wneud oedd ei roi ar sail statudol, oherwydd nid yw hynny'n rhywbeth y cawn ni ei adeiladu ar hyn o bryd. Gallai Cymru ariannu'r tîm flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn a dal i fethu gwneud y llys ei hun yn rhan barhaol o'r system gyfiawnder. Pan ddaeth yr arian i ben, nid oedd unrhyw beth oddi tano—nid oedd ar sail statudol. Felly, dyma beth a ddigwyddodd—nid penderfyniad a gymerwyd gan unrhyw un, nid dyfarniad fod hyn yn anghywir i Gymru, dim ond llys a oedd yn bodoli ar amser benthyg ac a ddaeth i ben. Treuliodd y Comisiwn ar Gyfiawnder yng Nghymru bedair blynedd yn edrych ar hyn. Dywedodd yn 2019 y dylai'r llysoedd hyn gael eu sefydlu yng Nghymru. Dywedodd hefyd y dylid datganoli cyfiawnder a phlismona, oherwydd nid yw system sydd wedi'i rhannu i lawr y canol yn gwasanaethu neb, llai fyth y bobl sy'n cael eu dal yn y canol. Rwy'n credu eu bod yn iawn, ac nid wyf yn gwybod am enghraifft gliriach na'r un hon. Fe dalodd Cymru am y llys hwn. Roedd yn gweithio, fe gaeodd, ac ni chafodd Cymru bŵer i'w wneud yn barhaol yn y gyfraith. Ni allai byth mo'i roi ar sail statudol—nid oes enghraifft gliriach na hon. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776814 232 En 2026-10-07T15:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9357&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9357&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776832 233 En 2026-10-07T15:33:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9566&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9566&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 336 336 Natasha Asghar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=336 Asghar, Natasha Can I please thank Tom Montgomery for bringing forward this debate today? I'm pleased to be a co-subscriber of this motion. Family drug and alcohol courts can play a pivotal role in creating better outcomes for children and parents. By taking a different approach to normal courts, with treatment and practical support, they can help parents overcome substance misuse and help keep families, ultimately, together. In my mind, doing all that we can to keep families together, instead of breaking them up, should indeed be the first course of action. Of course, there will undoubtedly be cases where that isn't appropriate or indeed safe, but families should be given every reasonable chance to stick together. Instead of the court simply deciding whether a child should remain or enter care, these specialist courts aim to give the parent a structured opportunity to address the ongoing problems. And the evidence is really strong. In England, as we've just heard, a major evaluation of 106 families who went through family drug and alcohol courts found that 40 per cent of mothers and 25 per cent of fathers stopped misusing substances. In comparison, only 25 per cent of mothers and 5 per cent of fathers who went through ordinary care proceedings stopped misusing substances. The long-term data is indeed promising. Five years after proceedings ended, the evaluation found that 46 per cent of mothers had stopped misusing substances and that 37 per cent of families who went through family drug and alcohol courts had been reunited or continued living together. As well as bringing family benefits, it also fits into the Government's preventative health agenda and can deliver savings to the public purse long term. According to the Centre for Justice Innovation, these courts have the potential to save local authorities nearly £10,000 per case in legal costs compared to the standard care proceedings. The Department for Education echoed these findings with their own analysis, concluding that family drug and alcohol courts generate significant savings whilst also achieving significantly better outcomes for children and families. Countries around the world, including America and Australia, have some sort of family drug and alcohol court system in place, yet sadly, here in Wales, we do not have anything. The previous Labour Welsh Government committed to introducing these courts here in Wales and launched a pilot. The pilot, which was carried out in Cardiff and the Vale, found that parental substance misuse fell from 83 per cent to 54 per cent, and that the number of children living with one or both parents at the end of proceedings was more than double the number at the start. Last year, the previous Welsh Government established a working group to consider scaling, funding and the wider use of family drug and alcohol courts. Since then, we haven't heard anything. Given that the proposal of introducing family drug and alcohol courts here in Wales appears to have cross-party support, from what I'm hearing and from what I'm seeing, it is now time for this Plaid Cymru Government to pick up this mantle and put this back on the agenda. Thank you. A gaf i ddiolch i Tom Montgomery am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon heddiw? Rwy'n falch o'r cyfle i gyd-gyflwyno’r cynnig hwn. Gall llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol chwarae rhan hollbwysig yn creu canlyniadau gwell i blant a rhieni. Drwy fabwysiadu dull o weithredu gwahanol i lysoedd arferol, gyda thriniaeth a chymorth ymarferol, gallant helpu rhieni i oresgyn problemau camddefnyddio sylweddau a helpu i gadw teuluoedd gyda'i gilydd yn y pen draw. Yn fy marn i, gwneud popeth yn ein gallu i gadw teuluoedd gyda'i gilydd, yn hytrach na'u chwalu, ddylai fod y cam cyntaf. Wrth gwrs, bydd achosion lle nad yw hynny'n briodol, nac yn ddiogel yn wir, ond dylid rhoi pob cyfle rhesymol i deuluoedd aros gyda'i gilydd. Yn hytrach na bod y llys yn penderfynu a ddylai plentyn aros neu fynd i ofal, nod y llysoedd arbenigol hyn yw rhoi cyfle strwythuredig i'r rhiant fynd i'r afael â'r problemau parhaus. Ac mae'r dystiolaeth yn gryf iawn. Yn Lloegr, fel rydym newydd ei glywed, canfu gwerthusiad mawr o 106 o deuluoedd a aeth drwy lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol fod 40 y cant o famau a 25 y cant o dadau wedi rhoi'r gorau i gamddefnyddio sylweddau. Mewn cymhariaeth, dim ond 25 y cant o famau a 5 y cant o dadau a aeth drwy achosion gofal cyffredin a roddodd y gorau i gamddefnyddio sylweddau. Mae'r data hirdymor yn addawol yn wir. Bum mlynedd ar ôl diwedd eu hachosion, canfu'r gwerthusiad fod 46 y cant o famau wedi rhoi'r gorau i gamddefnyddio sylweddau a bod 37 y cant o deuluoedd a aeth drwy lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol wedi dod yn ôl at ei gilydd neu wedi parhau i fyw gyda'i gilydd. Yn ogystal â darparu manteision teuluol, mae hefyd yn cyd-fynd ag agenda iechyd ataliol y Llywodraeth a gall arbed arian i bwrs y wlad yn y tymor hir. Yn ôl y Ganolfan Arloesi ym maes Cyfiawnder, mae gan y llysoedd hyn botensial i arbed bron i £10,000 yr achos i awdurdodau lleol mewn costau cyfreithiol o gymharu â’r achosion gofal safonol. Adleisiodd yr Adran Addysg y canfyddiadau hyn gyda’u dadansoddiad eu hunain, gan ddod i’r casgliad fod llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn cynhyrchu arbedion sylweddol gan gyflawni canlyniadau llawer gwell i blant a theuluoedd ar yr un pryd. Mae gan wledydd ledled y byd, gan gynnwys America ac Awstralia, ryw fath o system llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol ar waith, ond yn anffodus, yma yng Nghymru, nid oes gennym unrhyw beth. Ymrwymodd Llywodraeth Lafur flaenorol Cymru i gyflwyno'r llysoedd hyn yma yng Nghymru a lansiodd gynllun peilot. Canfu'r cynllun peilot, a gynhaliwyd yng Nghaerdydd a'r Fro, fod lefel camddefnyddio sylweddau gan rieni wedi gostwng o 83 y cant i 54 y cant, a bod nifer y plant sy'n byw gydag un neu'r ddau riant ar ddiwedd eu hachos yn fwy na dwbl y nifer ar y dechrau. Y llynedd, sefydlodd Llywodraeth flaenorol Cymru weithgor i ystyried ehangu, ariannu a gwneud defnydd ehangach o lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol. Ers hynny, nid ydym wedi clywed unrhyw beth. O ystyried bod y cynnig i gyflwyno llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yma yng Nghymru i'w weld yn denu cefnogaeth drawsbleidiol, o'r hyn a glywaf ac o'r hyn a welaf, mae'n bryd i Lywodraeth Plaid Cymru ysgwyddo'r cyfrifoldeb a rhoi hyn yn ôl ar yr agenda. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776834 234 En 2026-10-07T15:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9657&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776837 235 En 2026-10-07T15:36:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9732&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9732&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12182 12182 Louise Emery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12182 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12182 Emery, Louise I speak to support this motion and the powerful case that my colleagues in this Chamber have already established.  Family drug and alcohol courts were something that I was not very aware of before Tom brought this forward, so I'm really pleased that we're talking about it today. Of course, it was not dreamt up in a think tank; it was born of a judge's frustration. District judge Nicholas Crichton sat in a family court in London and watched the same mothers return again and again. He asked a simple question: 'Just what is it that family courts are there to do? Just take away children?' 'If we are looking to remove the 8th, 9th or 10th child, the family courts can't be doing very well by this family'. Inspired by family treatment courts in the United States, he set up the first London FDAC in 2008. As we've heard in the Chamber already, an international review of 17 studies of family drug treatment courts found that families were significantly more likely to be reunited. From Australia to New Zealand, this works.  The most senior family judge in England and Wales, Sir Andrew McFarlane, said: 'The ultimate goal remains for FDAC courts to be available in all areas of England and Wales.' England and Wales. Members, the judiciary is ready, and it is waiting for us.  Mothers reunited through FDAC were more than likely to still be off drugs or alcohol five years on. This is not a performance for the courtroom. This is a life rebuilt. Even when children cannot go home, FDAC keeps parents in treatment so that they can still play a healthy part in their children's lives, so the next baby does not end up in court and maybe taken away from the family.  The motion asks that FDACs form part of a strategy to keep children out of care. Bedfordshire shows the way, and we've heard quotes from Bedfordshire across the Chamber today. Bedfordshire is not just about children's services running this. It is also backed by the local integrated care board, who evaluate its work and bring support from every partner. Here in Wales, we have partners around the table already. We have health boards, we have substance misuse area planning boards, we have regional partnership boards, and we have police and crime commissioners—for now. Every one of them gains when a parent recovers and a family stays together. Every one of those organisations, and us, should help own this.  I urge Members to support this motion. As Tom said, we need to build a care system in Wales that builds, not breaks, families.  Rwy'n siarad i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn a'r achos cryf y mae fy nghyd-Aelodau eisoes wedi'i sefydlu yn y Siambr hon. Roedd llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn rhywbeth nad oeddwn yn ymwybodol iawn ohonynt cyn i Tom gyflwyno hyn, felly rwy'n falch iawn ein bod yn siarad amdanynt heddiw. Wrth gwrs, ni chafodd hyn ei lunio mewn melin drafod; mae'n deillio o rwystredigaeth barnwr. Eisteddai'r barnwr rhanbarth Nicholas Crichton mewn llys teulu yn Llundain a gwelodd yr un mamau'n dychwelyd dro ar ôl tro. Gofynnodd gwestiwn syml: 'Beth yn union yw pwrpas llysoedd teulu? Ai dim ond i fynd â phlant oddi ar eu rhieni?' 'Os ydym yn bwriadu mynd â'r 8fed, 9fed neu 10fed plentyn, ni all y llysoedd teulu fod yn gwneud llawer o les i'r teulu hwn'. Wedi'i ysbrydoli gan lysoedd triniaeth teulu yn yr Unol Daleithiau, sefydlodd y barnwr y llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol cyntaf yn Llundain yn 2008. Fel rydym eisoes wedi'i glywed yn y Siambr, canfu adolygiad rhyngwladol o 17 astudiaeth o lysoedd triniaeth cyffuriau teuluol fod teuluoedd yn llawer mwy tebygol o gael eu hailuno. O Awstralia i Seland Newydd, mae hyn yn gweithio. Dywedodd y barnwr teulu uchaf yng Nghymru a Lloegr, Syr Andrew McFarlane: 'Y nod yn y pen draw yw bod llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol ar gael ym mhob ardal o Gymru a Lloegr.' Cymru a Lloegr. Aelodau, mae'r farnwriaeth yn barod, ac mae'n aros amdanom. Roedd mamau a adunwyd drwy lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn fwy tebygol o fod oddi ar gyffuriau neu alcohol bum mlynedd yn ddiweddarach. Nid perfformiad ar gyfer y llys yw hwn. Mae hwn yn fywyd wedi'i ailadeiladu. Hyd yn oed pan na all plant fynd adref, mae llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn cadw rhieni mewn triniaeth fel y gallant barhau i chwarae rhan iach ym mywydau eu plant, fel nad yw'r babi nesaf yn mynd i'r llys ac efallai'n cael eu cymryd oddi wrth y teulu. Mae'r cynnig yn galw am wneud llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn rhan o strategaeth i gadw plant allan o ofal. Mae swydd Bedford yn arwain y ffordd, ac rydym wedi clywed dyfyniadau o swydd Bedford ar draws y Siambr heddiw. Mae swydd Bedford yn sicrhau bod mwy na gwasanaethau plant yn rhedeg hyn. Caiff ei gefnogi hefyd gan y bwrdd gofal integredig lleol, sy'n gwerthuso ei waith ac yn dod â chefnogaeth gan bob partner. Yma yng Nghymru, mae gennym bartneriaid o amgylch y bwrdd yn barod. Mae gennym fyrddau iechyd, mae gennym fyrddau cynllunio ardal camddefnyddio sylweddau, mae gennym fyrddau partneriaeth rhanbarthol, ac mae gennym gomisiynwyr heddlu a throseddu—am nawr. Mae pob un ohonynt yn elwa pan fydd rhiant yn gwella a theulu'n aros gyda'i gilydd. Dylai pob un o'r sefydliadau hynny, a ninnau, helpu i sicrhau hyn. Rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Fel y dywedodd Tom, mae angen inni adeiladu system ofal yng Nghymru sy'n adeiladu, nid yn chwalu, teuluoedd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776858 236 En 2026-10-07T15:38:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9884&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9884&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane Thank you very much to Tom for raising this issue. This is actually the Senedd at its best, when we hear views on something really important for our citizens, but, in this case, really important for our children. I've worked in childcare proceedings over 25 years, under both FDAC in London and non-FDAC courts as well. As you've heard, in England, there are 13 teams working in 18 courts. In Wales, we have none.  Rhys ab Owen and I, in the previous Senedd, raised the need for FDACs. We've done this since 2023. And here we are, three years later, with no FDAC in Wales. So, I'm giving a warning, if I may: we do need to hear a plan for how we're going to get FDAC into Wales. There is no doubt about it that FDACs save money, save lives, and give our children the best chance.  I want to paint a picture of some of the work that I did as a child protection social worker. We know that the best place for a child is with their parents. But imagine if you were a parent, possibly with a care background, possibly experiencing mental health difficulties, stressed, living in poverty. I've described it as you are trying desperately to get up the escalator that is coming down—you have very little chance. So, you start using drugs and alcohol as a way of forgetting about it and trying to remove yourself from the world you're in. You don't mean to get addicted, but it happens. You have your own children, and you can't look after them. Social services—people like myself—then become involved. As a parent, you fight—of course you do; every single parent wants to keep their child. There is absolutely no doubt, in terms of my 25 years of experience, that that is the case. But you have no resources. You have no services that work with you. Instead, services make you jump through hoops. More stress, more drugs, more alcohol. That's what happens in normal family court proceedings. You do not have the services there ready for you. They are there to try and make you show that you want to keep your child, and that stresses you out even more. Or you go to FDAC, and you have a chance, and, most importantly, your children have a chance. They have the best chance that they can have in life to stay with you. I'll finish by saying the evidence is there. It's indisputable. Family judges that I've worked with—because I did work in the London principal registry—have said it very clearly. I don't know what else the Welsh Government needs to hear. But you need to hear the evidence and you need to act on it, because children cannot wait any longer. Please, just do it. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn i Tom am godi'r mater hwn. Dyma'r Senedd ar ei gorau, pan fyddwn yn clywed safbwyntiau ar rywbeth sy'n wirioneddol bwysig i'n dinasyddion, ond yn yr achos hwn, yn wirioneddol bwysig i'n plant. Rwyf wedi gweithio mewn achosion gofal plant am dros 25 mlynedd, o dan lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn Llundain a llysoedd nad ydynt yn llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol hefyd. Fel y clywsoch, yn Lloegr, mae 13 tîm yn gweithio mewn 18 llys. Yng Nghymru, nid oes gennym un. Fe wnaeth Rhys ab Owen a minnau, yn y Senedd flaenorol, godi'r angen am lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol. Rydym wedi gwneud hyn ers 2023. A dyma ni, dair blynedd yn ddiweddarach, heb lys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yng Nghymru. Felly, rwy'n rhoi rhybudd, os caf: mae angen inni glywed cynllun ar gyfer sut rydym yn mynd i gael llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yng Nghymru. Nid oes amheuaeth fod llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn arbed arian, yn achub bywydau, ac yn rhoi'r cyfle gorau i'n plant. Hoffwn baentio darlun o rywfaint o'r gwaith a wneuthum fel gweithiwr cymdeithasol amddiffyn plant. Gwyddom mai'r lle gorau i blentyn yw gyda'u rhieni. Ond dychmygwch pe baech yn rhiant, â chefndir gofal o bosibl, o bosibl yn wynebu anawsterau iechyd meddwl, o dan straen, yn byw mewn tlodi. Rwyf wedi'i ddisgrifio fel pe baech chi'n ymdrechu'n daer i ddringo grisiau symudol sy'n dod i lawr—nid oes gennych fawr o obaith. Felly, rydych chi'n dechrau defnyddio cyffuriau ac alcohol fel ffordd o anghofio am y peth a cheisio tynnu eich hun allan o'r byd rydych chi ynddo. Nid ydych yn bwriadu mynd yn gaeth, ond mae'n digwydd. Mae gennych eich plant eich hun, ac ni allwch ofalu amdanynt. Yna mae gwasanaethau cymdeithasol—pobl fel fi—yn dod yn rhan o bethau. Fel rhiant, rydych chi'n ymladd—wrth gwrs eich bod; mae pob rhiant eisiau cadw eu plentyn. Nid oes unrhyw amheuaeth o gwbl ynglŷn â hynny, yn fy 25 mlynedd o brofiad. Ond nid oes gennych unrhyw adnoddau. Nid oes gennych unrhyw wasanaethau sy'n gweithio gyda chi. Yn hytrach, mae gwasanaethau'n eich rhoi drwy'r felin. Mwy o straen, mwy o gyffuriau, mwy o alcohol. Dyna sy'n digwydd mewn achosion llys teulu arferol. Nid oes gennych y gwasanaethau yno yn barod i chi. Maent yno i geisio gwneud ichi ddangos eich bod eisiau cadw eich plentyn, ac mae hynny'n eich rhoi dan fwy fyth o straen. Neu rydych chi'n mynd i lys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol, ac mae gennych gyfle, ac yn bwysicaf oll, mae gan eich plant gyfle. Mae ganddynt y cyfle gorau y gallant ei gael mewn bywyd i aros gyda chi. Rwyf am gloi drwy ddweud bod y dystiolaeth yno. Mae'n ddiymwad. Mae barnwyr teulu y gweithiais gyda nhw—gan fy mod yn arfer gweithio ym mhrif gofrestrfa Llundain—wedi dweud hyn yn glir iawn. Nid wyf yn gwybod beth arall sydd angen i Lywodraeth Cymru ei glywed. Ond mae angen ichi glywed y dystiolaeth ac mae angen ichi weithredu arni, gan na all plant aros yn hwy. Os gwelwch yn dda, gwnewch hynny. Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776833 237 En 2026-10-07T15:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=9957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=9957&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776838 238 En 2026-10-07T15:42:03 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10080&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10080&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12157 12157 Art Wright AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12157 Wright, Art I rise today in support of this motion, because, at its heart, this debate is about one thing and one thing only: children. Quite rightly, we have heard a great deal about court processes, social services, addiction, public spending. But behind every statistic is a child whose future may be shaped by the decisions we make in this Chamber today. When a child enters care, it's often because adults around them are struggling with complex problems: substance misuse, poor mental health, trauma, domestic instability. None of those challenges should ever be minimised. But neither should we forget that, wherever it is safe and possible, most children want the same thing: they want love, they want stability, and they want the chance to remain connected to their family. The reality is that children who enter care often face significant disadvantages later in life. We know care-experienced young people are less likely to attend university, to attain the qualification level that they could have, and are more likely to experience homelessness, and even more likely to experience mental health difficulties as they grow up. Those outcomes are not inevitable, but they are deeply concerning and should compel all of us to ask a simple question: is there a better way of helping families overcome the issues that bring them into the court system in the first place, and if there is, why would we not pursue it? What strikes me about family drug and alcohol courts is that they do not lower the standards or compromise children's safety; they do the exact opposite. They recognise the best way to protect children, and it's often to address the root causes that place families in crisis and not simply manage the consequences. The evidence presented today shows that, when parents receive intensive support to overcome addiction and address traumas, and child benefit too, more parents successfully stop misusing drugs and alcohol, more families achieve stability, and more children are able to remain safely or return safely to their parents and family. That matters, because every child who can safely remain within a loving family environment is given something that no institution or service can ever truly replace—a sense of belonging, a sense of identity, a sense of permanence. The Welsh pilot demonstrated that the proportion of children in the care of one or both of their parents more than doubled during FDAC proceedings. Evidence from England shows substantially more children being united with their families compared to conventional proceedings. Those outcomes are not just policy successes, they are life-changing opportunities for children. Children who may stay in the same school, maintain friendships, remain connected to brothers and sisters, preserve relationships with grandparents and wider family networks, and avoid the additional trauma that can accompany family separation. Of course, there will always be cases where children cannot safely remain at home. In those circumstances, protecting the child must remain our overriding priority. But where recovery is achievable, where parents are willing to engage, and where evidence demonstrates better outcomes, we should ensure those opportunities exist. What concerns me is that Wales once had a pilot programme, yet today we have nothing—no family drug and alcohol court operating in our nation at all. Meanwhile, England has continued on the journey and expanded the model. That leaves Welsh children with fewer opportunities to benefit from an approach that has repeatedly shown promise. We often speak in this Chamber about early intervention, about prevention, about breaking cycles that pass from one generation to the next. Family drug and alcohol courts embody those principles more perfectly than anything I've ever seen. They are not simply about responding to addiction, they're about giving children the best possible chance of a stable future, they're about preventing trauma rather than merely dealing with the consequence itself, and they are about recognising that helping a parent recover can transform a child's entire life trajectory. Members, every child deserves safety, every child deserves stability and every child deserves the opportunity to grow up in a nurturing family environment where that can be achieved safely. That is why I support this motion, and that is why I urge my colleagues across the Chamber to support the expansion of family drug and alcohol courts in Wales. Diolch. Rwy'n codi heddiw i gefnogi'r cynnig hwn, oherwydd yn y bôn, mae a wnelo'r ddadl hon ag un peth ac un peth yn unig: plant. Rydym wedi clywed llawer, a hynny'n gwbl briodol, am brosesau llys, gwasanaethau cymdeithasol, caethiwed, gwariant cyhoeddus. Ond y tu ôl i bob ystadegyn, mae plentyn y gall eu dyfodol gael ei siapio gan y penderfyniadau a wnawn yn y Siambr hon heddiw. Pan fydd plentyn yn mynd i ofal, mae hynny'n aml yn digwydd am fod yr oedolion o'u cwmpas yn ymrafael â phroblemau cymhleth: camddefnyddio sylweddau, iechyd meddwl gwael, trawma, ansefydlogrwydd domestig. Ni ddylid bychanu unrhyw un o'r heriau hynny. Ond ni ddylem anghofio chwaith, lle bynnag y bo'n ddiogel ac yn bosibl, fod y rhan fwyaf o blant eisiau'r un peth: maent eisiau cariad, maent eisiau sefydlogrwydd, ac maent eisiau cyfle i aros yn gysylltiedig â'u teulu. Y gwir amdani yw bod plant sy'n mynd i ofal yn aml yn wynebu anfanteision sylweddol yn nes ymlaen mewn bywyd. Gwyddom fod pobl ifanc sydd wedi cael profiad o ofal yn llai tebygol o fynychu prifysgol, o ennill cymhwyster ar y lefel y gallent fod wedi'i chyrraedd, ac yn fwy tebygol o brofi digartrefedd, a hyd yn oed yn fwy tebygol o brofi anawsterau iechyd meddwl wrth iddynt dyfu i fyny. Nid yw'r canlyniadau hynny'n anochel, ond maent yn peri cryn bryder, a dylent orfodi pob un ohonom i ofyn cwestiwn syml: a oes ffordd well o helpu teuluoedd i oresgyn y problemau sy'n dod â nhw i mewn i'r system llysoedd yn y lle cyntaf, ac os oes, pam na fyddem yn mynd ar ei thrywydd? Yr hyn sy'n fy nharo am lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yw nad ydynt yn gostwng y safonau nac yn peryglu diogelwch plant; maent yn gwneud y gwrthwyneb yn llwyr. Maent yn cydnabod y ffordd orau o amddiffyn plant, ac yn aml, mae a wnelo hynny â mynd i'r afael â'r achosion sylfaenol sy'n rhoi teuluoedd mewn argyfwng yn hytrach na delio â'r canlyniadau yn unig. Mae'r dystiolaeth a gyflwynir heddiw yn dangos, pan fydd rhieni'n cael cymorth dwys i oresgyn caethiwed a delio â thrawma, a budd-dal plant hefyd, fod mwy o rieni'n llwyddo i roi'r gorau i gamddefnyddio cyffuriau ac alcohol, fod mwy o deuluoedd yn cael sefydlogrwydd, a bod mwy o blant yn gallu aros yn ddiogel neu ddychwelyd yn ddiogel at eu rhieni a'u teulu. Mae hynny'n bwysig, gan fod pob plentyn sy'n gallu aros yn ddiogel mewn amgylchedd teuluol cariadus yn cael rhywbeth na all unrhyw sefydliad na gwasanaeth byth gymryd ei le'n iawn—ymdeimlad o berthyn, ymdeimlad o hunaniaeth, ymdeimlad o sefydlogrwydd. Dangosodd y cynllun peilot yng Nghymru fod cyfran y plant sydd yng ngofal un neu'r ddau riant wedi mwy na dyblu yn ystod achosion llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol. Mae tystiolaeth o Loegr yn dangos bod llawer mwy o blant yn cael eu huno â'u teuluoedd o gymharu ag achosion llys confensiynol. Nid llwyddiannau polisi yn unig yw'r canlyniadau hynny, maent yn gyfleoedd sy'n newid bywydau plant. Plant a allai aros yn yr un ysgol, cadw ffrindiau, cadw'r cysylltiad â brodyr a chwiorydd, cadw perthynas â neiniau a theidiau a rhwydweithiau teuluol ehangach, ac osgoi'r trawma ychwanegol a all fynd law yn llaw â chael eu gwahanu oddi wrth eu teulu. Wrth gwrs, bydd yna achosion bob amser lle na all plant aros gartref yn ddiogel. Yn yr amgylchiadau hynny, rhaid i ddiogelu'r plentyn barhau i fod yn brif flaenoriaeth i ni. Ond lle mae adferiad yn bosibl, lle mae rhieni'n barod i ymgysylltu, a lle mae tystiolaeth yn dangos canlyniadau gwell, dylem sicrhau bod y cyfleoedd hynny'n bodoli. Yr hyn sy'n peri pryder i mi yw bod Cymru wedi cynnal rhaglen beilot ar hyn yn barod, ond heddiw, nid oes gennym unrhyw beth—dim llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn gweithredu yn ein gwlad o gwbl. Yn y cyfamser, mae Lloegr wedi parhau ar y daith ac wedi ehangu'r model. Mae hynny'n golygu bod llai o gyfleoedd i blant Cymru elwa o ddull sydd wedi dangos addewid dro ar ôl tro. Rydym yn aml yn siarad yn y Siambr hon am ymyrryd yn gynnar, am atal, am dorri cylchoedd sy'n cael eu hetifeddu o genhedlaeth i genhedlaeth. Mae llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn ymgorffori'r egwyddorion hynny'n fwy perffaith nag unrhyw beth a welais erioed. Nid ymateb i gaethiwed yn unig a wnânt, maent yn rhoi'r cyfle gorau posibl i blant gael dyfodol sefydlog, maent yn atal trawma yn hytrach na delio â'r canlyniad yn unig, ac maent yn cydnabod y gall helpu rhiant i ymadfer drawsnewid llwybr bywyd cyfan plentyn. Aelodau, mae pob plentyn yn haeddu diogelwch, mae pob plentyn yn haeddu sefydlogrwydd ac mae pob plentyn yn haeddu cyfle i dyfu i fyny mewn amgylchedd teuluol meithringar lle gellir cyflawni hynny'n ddiogel. Dyna pam fy mod yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn, a dyna pam fy mod yn annog fy nghyd-Aelodau ar draws y Siambr i gefnogi ehangu llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yng Nghymru. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776835 239 En 2026-10-07T15:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10257&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10257&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776840 240 Cy 2026-10-07T15:47:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10396&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10396&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch i chi. Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Ofal Cymdeithasol, Iechyd Meddwl ac Iechyd Menywod, Delyth Jewell.  Thank you. I call on the Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women’s Health, Delyth Jewell. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776843 241 Cy 2026-10-07T15:47:26 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10403&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10403&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women’s Health Y Dirprwy Weinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol, Iechyd Meddwl ac Iechyd Menywod Jewell, Delyth Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. A diolch i Tom am ddod â'r ddadl yma gerbron y Senedd, a diolch i'r Aelodau sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl eithriadol o bwysig yma. Fel pobl eraill, fe wnes i ddilyn datblygiad y cynllun peilot a chael fy hun yn gofyn cwestiynau tebyg i rai o'r cwestiynau sydd wedi cael eu codi heddiw. Mae'r dystiolaeth i gefnogi'r model yn gryf. Daeth gwerthusiad y cynllun peilot i'r casgliad y dylid ehangu'r ddarpariaeth yng Nghymru, fel rydyn ni wedi clywed. Mae'r profiad o'r llysoedd hyn yn Lloegr yn dangos canlyniadau cadarnhaol tu hwnt. Fe wnaeth comisiwn Thomas hefyd argymell y dylai dulliau datrys problemau gael eu defnyddio fel mater o drefn, ac y dylai llysoedd o'r fath gael eu sefydlu yng Nghymru. Wrth gwrs, roedd y gwerthusiad hefyd yn nodi bod sawl rhwystr a chymhlethdod yn perthyn i fodel y llysoedd. Mae hynny yn arbennig o wir yng Nghymru oherwydd y cyfuniad o gyfrifoldebau wedi eu datganoli a heb eu datganoli. Fe wnaeth y comisiwn argymell y dylai'r gyfraith sydd yn ymwneud â phlant a chyfiawnder teuluol yng Nghymru gael ei dwyn ynghyd mewn un system gyfreithiol gydlynol sy'n cyd-fynd â swyddogaethau ym maes iechyd, addysg a lles. Byddai datganoli cyfiawnder yn creu cyfleoedd i gynllunio gwasanaethau o amgylch anghenion Cymru, yn hytrach na dim ond atgynhyrchu trefniadau sydd wedi'u datblygu mewn mannau eraill. Mae'r profiad gyda'r llysoedd hyn yn dangos mai dim ond un ystyriaeth yw effeithiolrwydd, mae'n rhaid hefyd pwyso a mesur cynaliadwyedd, gofynion y gweithlu a chostau cyfle wrth benderfynu ar y ffordd fwyaf priodol o ddefnyddio adnoddau. Felly, nid yw hyn yn syml, ond mae gwaith yn mynd yn ei flaen yn y cyd-destun yma. Mae'r model yn gofyn am ymrwymiad gan awdurdodau lleol, y farnwriaeth a'r llysoedd. Mae'n gofyn hefyd am flaenoriaeth gan lawer o wasanaethau, gan gynnwys camddefnyddio sylweddau, cam-drin domestig ac iechyd meddwl. Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. And thanks to Tom for bringing this debate before the Senedd, and thank you to Members who have taken part in this vital debate. As others, I followed the development of the pilot scheme and found myself asking similar questions to those that have been raised today. The evidence to support the model is strong. The evaluation of the pilot scheme concluded that provision in Wales should be expanded, as we've heard. The experience of these courts in England demonstrates positive results. The Thomas commission also recommended that problem-solving approaches should be used routinely, and that such courts should be established in Wales. Of course, the evaluation also noted that there were many barriers and complications associated with the courts model. That is particularly true in Wales due to the combination of devolved and non-devolved responsibilities. The commission also recommended that the law relating to children and family justice in Wales should be brought together under one coherent legal system that is compatible with functions in the areas of health, education and welfare. The devolution of justice would create opportunities to plan services around the needs of Wales, rather than just reproducing arrangements that have been developed elsewhere. The experience with these courts demonstrates that effectiveness is only one consideration, we must also weigh up sustainability, workforce requirements and opportunity costs when making decisions on the most appropriate way of using resources. So, this is not simple, but work is proceeding in this context. The model requires commitment from local authorities, the judiciary and the courts. It also requires prioritisation from many services, including substance misuse, domestic abuse and mental health. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776854 242 En 2026-10-07T15:49:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10525&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10525&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth We need to ensure, of course, that funding is available and is sustainable for whatever model we use, because in England the loss of funding has sadly seen some teams disband. This isn't exclusively a decision for the Welsh Government, but we are forefront in relevant conversations in Wales and in the development of the family justice strategy with the Ministry of Justice. Our priority is moving the whole family justice system to a more empathetic and understanding environment, where families feel supported and, crucially, that they have hope. Now, that requires a cultural and systemic change that is wider than just FDACs, of course, and that's already under way. There is so much more that can be done. Last year, the FDAC working group recommended work continues on problem-solving approaches and intensive support for families going through court proceedings. Dirprwy Lywydd, this is an evolving picture. It was discussed in more depth at regional workshops that were facilitated by the Centre for Justice Innovation earlier this year. The subsequent CJI report highlighted all three regions had a clear appetite for further exploration and development of FDAC problem-solving, trauma-informed approaches within public law proceedings in Wales. The report went on to recognise regional variation, system pressures and the need to build on existing good practice. Overall, the workshops identified a shared set of recommendations to guide the next steps, which will move forward under oversight of the family justice network. Recently, I met the Deputy First Minister and the Minister for Government Effectiveness and the Constitution, who share policy interests in family justice. We intend to work closely together on reforms to the family justice system, some of which will closely align with those of colleagues in the UK Government, of course, through the family justice strategy. Mae angen inni sicrhau, wrth gwrs, fod cyllid ar gael a'i fod yn gynaliadwy ar gyfer unrhyw fodel a ddefnyddiwn, oherwydd yn Lloegr, yn anffodus, mae colli cyllid wedi arwain at rai timau'n chwalu. Nid penderfyniad i Lywodraeth Cymru yn unig yw hwn, ond rydym yn chwarae rhan hollbwysig mewn sgyrsiau perthnasol yng Nghymru ac wrth ddatblygu'r strategaeth cyfiawnder teuluol gyda'r Weinyddiaeth Gyfiawnder. Ein blaenoriaeth yw symud y system cyfiawnder teuluol gyfan i amgylchedd mwy empathetig a chydymdeimladol, lle mae teuluoedd yn teimlo eu bod yn cael eu cefnogi, ac yn hollbwysig, fod ganddynt obaith. Nawr, mae hynny'n galw am newid diwylliannol a systemig sy'n ehangach na llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn unig wrth gwrs, ac mae hynny eisoes ar y gweill. Mae cymaint mwy y gellir ei wneud. Y llynedd, argymhellodd y gweithgor llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol y dylai gwaith barhau ar ddulliau datrys problemau a chymorth dwys i deuluoedd sy'n mynd drwy achosion llys. Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae hwn yn ddarlun sy'n esblygu. Fe'i trafodwyd mewn mwy o fanylder mewn gweithdai rhanbarthol a hwyluswyd gan y Ganolfan Arloesi ym maes Cyfiawnder yn gynharach eleni. Tynnodd adroddiad dilynol y ganolfan sylw at yr awydd clir gan y tri rhanbarth i archwilio ymhellach a datblygu dulliau datrys problemau ac ystyriol o drawma'r llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol mewn achosion cyfraith gyhoeddus yng Nghymru. Aeth yr adroddiad ymlaen i gydnabod amrywiadau rhanbarthol, pwysau yn y system a'r angen i adeiladu ar arferion da presennol. At ei gilydd, nododd y gweithdai set gyffredin o argymhellion i arwain y camau nesaf, a fydd yn symud ymlaen o dan oruchwyliaeth y rhwydwaith cyfiawnder teuluol. Yn ddiweddar, cyfarfûm â'r Dirprwy Brif Weinidog a'r Gweinidog dros Effeithiolrwydd Llywodraeth a’r Cyfansoddiad, sy'n rhannu diddordebau polisi mewn cyfiawnder teuluol. Rydym yn bwriadu cydweithio'n agos ar ddiwygiadau i'r system cyfiawnder teuluol, a bydd rhai ohonynt yn cyd-fynd yn agos â rhai swyddogion cyfatebol yn Llywodraeth y DU wrth gwrs, drwy'r strategaeth cyfiawnder teuluol. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776836 243 En 2026-10-07T15:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10557&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10557&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776839 244 En 2026-10-07T15:51:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10638&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10638&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane Would you permit an intervention? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776842 245 En 2026-10-07T15:51:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10639&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10639&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth Of course. Wrth gwrs. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776841 246 En 2026-10-07T15:51:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10640&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10640&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane Thank you so much, Minister, for doing that. I hear exactly what you say, and I can hear that you've got a big plan, which I think is the reasonable interpretation of that. However, I don't hear a clear timetable—maybe you're coming to that at the end. I also really still want to know the answer to why you are not pushing forward on FDAC, given all of the evidence, and that you're actually harming children whilst you wait for your big plan to materialise. Diolch yn fawr iawn.  Diolch yn fawr iawn, Weinidog, am wneud hynny. Rwy'n clywed yn union beth rydych chi'n ei ddweud, a gallaf glywed bod gennych gynllun mawr, sydd, yn fy marn i, yn ddehongliad rhesymol o hynny. Fodd bynnag, nid wyf yn clywed amserlen glir—efallai eich bod yn dod at hynny ar y diwedd. Rwy'n awyddus iawn hefyd i wybod pam nad ydych chi'n bwrw ymlaen â llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol, o ystyried yr holl dystiolaeth, a'ch bod mewn gwirionedd yn niweidio plant wrth aros i'ch cynllun mawr ddod at ei gilydd. Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776844 247 En 2026-10-07T15:51:53 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10670&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10670&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth I regret the second part of that contribution. Look, I understand, of course, none of us want to cause harm to children, and we have to make sure that the decision that is made takes into account all of these different complexities. If I could be in a position today and say, 'Yes, we are able to do this', of course I would want to do that. I do acknowledge that there is really positive evidence around FDACs. The options that we need to consider within the Welsh context, which is what the working group have been looking at, need to look at additional structures and whether they would be the best option, looking as well at some of the approaches that have been taken in Scotland, that do follow different but maybe comparable models, and looking to see whether that would be possible. Of course, we need to make sure that whatever future approach that's taken complements existing provision, rather than adding any further complexity. We need to look at sustainability, workforce capacity. We're not delaying for delay's sake. It's so that we make sure that we get this right, although I do utterly appreciate the fervour that is in this Chamber about wanting to move quickly. I understand that entirely.  Rwy'n gresynu at ail ran y cyfraniad hwnnw. Edrychwch, rwy'n deall wrth gwrs nad oes yr un ohonom eisiau achosi niwed i blant, ac mae’n rhaid inni sicrhau bod y penderfyniad a wneir yn ystyried yr holl gymhlethdodau gwahanol hyn. Pe bawn mewn sefyllfa heddiw i ddweud, 'Iawn, gallwn wneud hyn', wrth gwrs y buaswn eisiau gwneud hynny. Rwy'n cydnabod bod tystiolaeth gadarnhaol iawn ynghylch llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol. Mae angen i'r opsiynau y mae angen inni eu hystyried yng nghyd-destun Cymru, sef yr hyn y mae'r gweithgor wedi bod yn edrych arno, edrych ar strwythurau ychwanegol ac ai dyna fyddai'r opsiwn gorau, gan edrych hefyd ar rai o'r dulliau gweithredu a ddefnyddiwyd yn yr Alban, sy'n dilyn modelau gwahanol ond cymharol o bosib, ac edrych i weld a fyddai hynny'n bosibl. Wrth gwrs, mae angen inni sicrhau bod unrhyw ddull a ddefnyddir yn y dyfodol yn ategu'r ddarpariaeth bresennol, yn hytrach nag ychwanegu unrhyw gymhlethdod pellach. Mae angen inni edrych ar gynaliadwyedd, capasiti'r gweithlu. Nid ydym yn oedi er mwyn oedi, ond er mwyn sicrhau ein bod yn gwneud hyn yn iawn, er fy mod yn llwyr werthfawrogi'r brwdfrydedd yn y Siambr ynglŷn â bod eisiau symud yn gyflym. Rwy'n deall hynny'n llwyr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776846 248 Cy 2026-10-07T15:53:12 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10749&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10749&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 5207 5207 Delyth Jewell AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5207 Jewell, Delyth So, diolch, Jane, am hwnna. Mae ein rhaglen lywodraethu yn nodi bod atal ac ymyrryd yn gynnar yn ganolog i bob proses o ddatblygu polisi. Rŷn ni am weld system cyfiawnder teuluol sy'n cefnogi teuluoedd i aros gyda'i gilydd ac sy'n atal plant, eu rhieni a'u teuluoedd ehangach rhag mynd trwy drawma achosion llys. Mae llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn cynnig model o gymorth dwys i deuluoedd pan fydd achosion llys wedi cael eu cychwyn. Ond yng Nghymru, mae ein Deddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) 2014 eisoes yn cynnwys model tebyg, sef y gwasanaeth integredig cymorth i deuluoedd. Mae hwnna'n ymyrryd yn gynharach drwy roi cymorth dwys i deuluoedd sydd ag anghenion lluosog. Mae'r model hwn wedi esblygu ac mae yna ffurfiau gwahanol ohono ar gael ar draws Cymru. Felly, rwy'n bwriadu adolygu'r gwasanaeth hwn a chael trafodaeth agored am ba elfennau sy'n gweithio'n dda a beth sydd angen gweithio yn well. Mae'n amlwg fod rhai o'r rheini. Byddwn ni hefyd yn gweithio gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i ddatblygu dull o ddatrys problemau mewn llysoedd teulu. Rŷn ni wedi dangos sut y gallwn ni sbarduno newid drwy gyflwyno llysoedd sy'n canolbwyntio ar y plentyn ledled Cymru, ac mae'r data wedi dangos bod hyn yn llwyddiannus. Fe wnaeth hyn sefydlu ffordd o weithio sy'n rhoi'r plentyn wrth galon y broses ac yn defnyddio dull datrys problemau. Mae hynny'n ein rhoi mewn sefyllfa dda i fanteisio ar y profiad a'r dysgu hwnnw yn y dyfodol. Dwi eisiau sicrhau yr Aelodau, Ddirprwy Lywydd, y bydd ein system cyfiawnder teuluol yn parhau i ganolbwyntio ar gadw plant yn ddiogel gyda'u teuluoedd ble bynnag mae hynny yn bosibl. Bydd gwasanaethau yn gweithio gyda'i gilydd i atal anghenion rhag dwysáu ac i helpu teuluoedd i wneud newidiadau y gellir eu cynnal. Pan fydd teuluoedd yn dod i gysylltiad â'r llysoedd, rydyn ni eisiau profiad mwy empathetig sy'n canolbwyntio ar y canlyniadau gorau i'r plentyn. Wrth gwrs, mae'r cyfrifoldebau hyn yn ymestyn ar draws gwahanol rannau o'r Llywodraeth a bydd angen cyfraniad gan y farnwriaeth a Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig. Bydd angen manteisio hefyd ar yr hyn sy'n cael ei ddysgu o'r model llys teulu cyffuriau alcohol a theuluoedd sydd â phrofiad uniongyrchol, a dwi'n dod i ben yma. Er bod y newid hwn yn gymhleth, dwi'n credu bod ein partneriaid yn rhannu'r un brwdfrydedd dwi wedi ei glywed ar draws y Siambr y prynhawn yma i gydweithio ac i symud y gwaith hwn yn ei flaen ar frys. Diolch. So, thank you, Jane, for that. Our programme for government states that prevention and early intervention are central to all policy development processes. We want to see a family justice system that supports families to stay together and that prevents children, their parents and their wider families from going through the trauma of court cases. Drug and alcohol family courts offer a model of intensive support for families once court proceedings have been initiated. But in Wales, our Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014 already includes a similar model, namely the integrated family support service. This intervenes earlier by providing intensive support to families with multiple needs. This model has evolved and different forms of it can be found across Wales. I therefore intend to review this service and have an open discussion about which elements work well and what needs to work better. Clearly, there are some of those. We will also work with the UK Government to develop a method of solving problems in family courts. We have shown how we can drive change by introducing child-centred courts across Wales, and the data have shown that this is successful. This established a way of working that puts the child at the heart of the process and uses a problem-solving approach. That puts us in a good position to capitalise on that experience and learning in the future. I want to assure Members, Dirprwy Lywydd, that our family justice system will continue to focus on keeping children safe with their families wherever possible. Services will work together to prevent needs from escalating and to help families make sustainable changes. When families come into contact with the courts, we want a more empathetic experience that focuses on the best outcomes for the child. Of course, these responsibilities extend across different parts of Government and a contribution will be required from the judiciary and the UK Government. There will also be a need to capitalise on what has been learned from the drug and alcohol family courts model and from families with direct experience, and I'm finishing here. Although this is a complex change, I believe that our partners share the same enthusiasm that I've heard across the Chamber this afternoon to work together and move this work forward urgently. Thank you. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776857 249 Cy 2026-10-07T15:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10857&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10857&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776875 250 Cy 2026-10-07T15:55:44 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10901&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10901&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch, Ddirprwy Weinidog. Galwaf ar Tom Montgomery i ymateb i'r ddadl. Thank you, Deputy Minister. I call on Tom Montgomery to reply to the debate. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776877 251 En 2026-10-07T15:55:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=10908&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=10908&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom Diolch. I'm grateful to everyone who has spoken today, to those Members across parties who have given their time to understand what is quite a complex policy area and have shown willingness to work with me to bring this motion forward today to try and create positive change for Welsh children, parents and families in crisis. As I referred to in my opening remarks, the Centre for Justice Innovation undertook a financial analysis of the FDACs in 2024. That analysis demonstrates that FDACs generate significant savings in comparison to standard care proceedings, as well as being a better way to help children be cared for safely by their parents. The work shows that FDACs is an invest-to-save option, offering local authorities the possibility of significant revenue savings. The potential fiscal benefit is incredible: for every £1 we spend on family, drug and alcohol courts, £3.20 of net savings can be returned. Is it worth investing now to save in the near future? I think so. This is especially true when we consider the better impact of FDACs have on people and children's lives: keeping families together as one unit, drug misuse down, alcohol misuse down, mental health improved and case reoccurrence down. I've heard from several Members and I'll do my best to mention you all. We heard from Sarah Cooper-Lesadd. Thank you for sharing your personal experience, as you have done time and time again in this Chamber. The lived experience that you bring is really beneficial to the debate, and thank you for highlighting the impact that the Welsh model had on families and cases. While I accept the point that you're trying to make about the powers of this place, what I will say is we don't need more powers. We can do this, because we've already done this. We've already created the trial and spent the money. So, I'm concerned that the point that you're making risks dragging us into a constitutional debate with Westminster instead of getting on and actually bringing forward this change for families and young people. Natasha, thank you so much for your powerful contribution and highlighting the impact that these courts have, not just on the family but on bringing down substance misuse and for the potential savings that we can see for local authorities—up to £10,000 per case. Louise Emery, thank you for highlighting that the courts are waiting for us. They're ready to go; we've got the model set. We just need to be brave enough to make the decision here today.  Jane Dodds reminded us of the human impact that we can all have by supporting this motion. And Art, thank you for reminding us of who is at the heart of this debate: it is the children that we're all tasked to care for. I want to be clear with the Senedd, there were several weaknesses in the Cardiff and Vale trial court. The economic analysis was outside of its scope. The FDAC team was undermined at the start by a lack of space to operate from. A vacancy for a qualified social worker wasn't filled, the referral pathway into the court was not clear. A low number of team members resulted in fewer cases being taken on and the ambiguity around the future of the pilot caused serious uncertainty as to whether additional cases could be accepted. All of those problems can be overcome by developing and implementing a better trial in Wales. Minister, thank you for once again speaking so passionately about the people that you are charged with protecting. But as I said to Sarah, we have the power to do this. We can do this. We have the money to do this. Getting dragged into a wider debate about the constitutional future of Wales may be laudable to some, but it risks delaying a plan that has cross-party support now, that has a model that works now and that we have the evidence to prove can make a real difference now. The evidence we've heard in this Chamber today, and that is to be found in the family drug and alcohol courts across in England, should make us all realise that creating them in Wales is worthwhile. The proposal will enable us to build a system that builds, not breaks, families, and I hope I can count on Members' support today. Diolch. Diolch. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i bawb sydd wedi siarad heddiw, i'r Aelodau ar draws y pleidiau sydd wedi rhoi eu hamser i ddeall maes polisi eithaf cymhleth ac sydd wedi dangos parodrwydd i weithio gyda mi i gyflwyno'r cynnig hwn heddiw i geisio creu newid cadarnhaol i blant, rhieni a theuluoedd mewn argyfwng yng Nghymru. Fel y nodais yn fy sylwadau agoriadol, cynhaliodd y Ganolfan Arloesi ym maes Cyfiawnder ddadansoddiad ariannol o'r llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn 2024. Mae'r dadansoddiad hwnnw'n dangos bod llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn cynhyrchu arbedion sylweddol o gymharu â gweithdrefnau gofal safonol, yn ogystal â bod yn ffordd well o helpu plant i gael gofal diogel gan eu rhieni. Mae'r gwaith yn dangos bod llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn opsiwn buddsoddi i arbed, gan gynnig y posibilrwydd o arbedion refeniw sylweddol i awdurdodau lleol. Mae'r budd cyllidol posibl yn anhygoel: am bob £1 a wariwn ar lysoedd teulu, cyffuriau ac alcohol, gellir sicrhau £3.20 o arbedion net. A yw'n werth buddsoddi nawr er mwyn arbed yn y dyfodol agos? Rwy'n credu hynny. Mae hyn yn arbennig o wir pan ystyriwn yr effaith well y mae llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn ei chael ar fywydau pobl a phlant: cadw teuluoedd gyda'i gilydd yn un uned, lleihau lefelau camddefnyddio cyffuriau, lleihau lefelau camddefnyddio alcohol, gwella iechyd meddwl a lleihau lefelau ailadrodd achosion. Rwyf wedi clywed gan sawl Aelod, a byddaf yn gwneud fy ngorau i sôn am bob un ohonoch. Clywsom gan Sarah Cooper-Lesadd. Diolch am rannu eich profiad personol, fel rydych wedi'i wneud dro ar ôl tro yn y Siambr hon. Mae'r profiad bywyd a gyfrannwch i'r ddadl yn wirioneddol fuddiol, a diolch am dynnu sylw at yr effaith a gafodd y model Cymreig ar deuluoedd ac achosion. Er fy mod yn derbyn y pwynt rydych chi'n ceisio'i wneud am bwerau'r lle hwn, yr hyn a ddywedaf yw nad oes angen mwy o bwerau arnom. Gallwn wneud hyn, gan ein bod eisoes wedi gwneud hyn. Rydym eisoes wedi creu'r cynllun peilot ac wedi gwario'r arian. Felly, rwy'n pryderu bod perygl y gallai'r pwynt rydych chi'n ei wneud ein llusgo i ddadl gyfansoddiadol gyda San Steffan yn hytrach na bwrw ymlaen a chyflwyno'r newid hwn i deuluoedd a phobl ifanc. Natasha, diolch yn fawr iawn am eich cyfraniad pwerus ac am dynnu sylw at yr effaith y mae'r llysoedd hyn yn ei chael, nid yn unig ar y teulu ond ar leihau lefelau camddefnyddio sylweddau ac am yr arbedion posibl y gallwn eu gweld i awdurdodau lleol—hyd at £10,000 yr achos. Louise Emery, diolch am dynnu sylw at y ffaith bod y llysoedd yn aros amdanom. Maent yn barod i fynd; mae'r model wedi'i osod gennym. Mae angen inni fod yn ddigon dewr i wneud y penderfyniad yma heddiw. Fe wnaeth Jane Dodds ein hatgoffa o'r effaith ddynol y gall bob un ohonom ei chael drwy gefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Ac Art, diolch am ein hatgoffa pwy sydd wrth wraidd y ddadl hon: y plant y mae'n gyfrifoldeb ar bob un ohonom i ofalu amdanynt. Hoffwn ddweud yn glir wrth y Senedd fod sawl gwendid yng nghynllun peilot Caerdydd a'r Fro. Roedd y dadansoddiad economaidd y tu allan i'w gwmpas. Cafodd tîm y llys teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol ei danseilio ar y dechrau gan ddiffyg lle i weithredu ohono. Ni chafodd swydd wag ar gyfer gweithiwr cymdeithasol cymwys ei llenwi, nid oedd y llwybr atgyfeirio i'r llys yn glir. Arweiniodd nifer isel o aelodau tîm at dderbyn llai o achosion ac achosodd yr amwysedd ynghylch dyfodol y cynllun peilot ansicrwydd difrifol ynglŷn ag a ellid derbyn achosion ychwanegol. Gellir goresgyn yr holl broblemau hynny drwy ddatblygu a gweithredu cynllun peilot gwell yng Nghymru. Weinidog, diolch am siarad mor angerddol unwaith eto am y bobl rydych chi'n gyfrifol am eu diogelu. Ond fel y dywedais wrth Sarah, mae gennym bŵer i wneud hyn. Fe allwn wneud hyn. Mae gennym arian i wneud hyn. Gall cael eich llusgo i mewn i ddadl ehangach ynglŷn â dyfodol cyfansoddiadol Cymru fod yn ganmoladwy i rai, ond mae'n creu risg o ohirio cynllun sy'n ennyn cefnogaeth drawsbleidiol nawr, sydd â model sy'n gweithio nawr, ac un y mae gennym y dystiolaeth i brofi y gall wneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol nawr. Dylai'r dystiolaeth a glywsom yn y Siambr hon heddiw, ac sydd i'w chael yn y llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol ledled Lloegr, wneud i bob un ohonom sylweddoli ei bod yn werth eu creu yng Nghymru. Bydd y cynnig yn ein galluogi i adeiladu system sy'n adeiladu, nid yn chwalu, teuluoedd, ac rwy'n gobeithio y gallaf ddibynnu ar gefnogaeth yr Aelodau heddiw. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776847 252 En 2026-10-07T16:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11157&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11157&l=cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776848 253 Cy 2026-10-07T16:00:27 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11184&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11184&l=en 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Thank you. The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [Objection.] There is objection. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776860 254 Cy 261007-7 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv): Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776850 255 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Detholwyd y gwelliant canlynol: gwelliant 1 yn enw Heledd Fychan. The following amendment has been selected: amendment 1 in the name of Heledd Fychan. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776851 256 Cy 2026-10-07T16:00:43 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11200&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11200&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Symudaf ymlaen i eitem 7, Reform UK, rygbi rhanbarthol. Galwaf ar Louise Emery i wneud y cynnig. We'll now move on to item 7, the Reform UK debate on regional rugby. And I call on Louise Emery to move the motion. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776852 257 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Cynnig NDM9312 Llŷr Powell Cefnogwyd gan Andrew Griffin, John Clark Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i sicrhau bod Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn diogelu dyfodol pedwar rhanbarth rygbi Cymru. Motion NDM9312 Llŷr Powell Supported by Andrew Griffin, John Clark To propose that the Senedd: 1. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure the Welsh Rugby Union protects the future of Wales’s four rugby regions. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776853 258 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776855 259 En 2026-10-07T16:00:53 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11210&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11210&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12182 12182 Louise Emery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12182 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12182 Emery, Louise Diolch, thank you. I move the motion in the name of the Reform UK group. Cardiff, the Dragons, the Ospreys, the Scarlets. For more than 20 years, these four regions have carried Welsh rugby. They are employers, they are community hubs, they are the first steps on the ladder for the young players, from Pembrokeshire to Pontypool. And today, one of them faces the axe. Now, let it be clear what this motion does. It does not ask Ministers to run the Welsh Rugby Union. It is and should be independent. But independence should not be immune from scrutiny. Where public money has gone in, the public is owed answers. And where a decision will hit jobs, businesses and communities, this Senedd is owed the evidence behind that decision. So, for those of you who are not as passionate about rugby as I am, in October 2025 the WRU announced the decision to cut the men's professional game from four teams to three. In July 2026, it published its road map. Cardiff would be offered the capital licence; the Dragons, the east; and the Ospreys and the Scarlets would be left to fight over one licence in the west. And in August, the WRU's director of rugby, Dave Reddin, confirmed the union is sticking to that plan. So, the destination has been chosen. One region is being lined up to go before anyone has seen the test it will be judged by. That is the wrong way around. The WRU says it cannot afford four competitive teams, so publish the business case for three teams against four in full before December. And this is not only the WRU's money. In 2021, the Welsh Government gave £13.5 million in survival funding to rugby—£2.7 million each to the union and to all four regions—and a further £475,000 in 2022; £1.8 million in 2024 for the national stadium; and Sport Wales has put nearly £435,000 into the WRU this year. Councils have stepped in too. Swansea has approved £5.1 million to rebuild St Helen's, with a 50-year lease for the Ospreys. The city deal has added £771,000. Carmarthenshire council owns Parc y Scarlets and lent the club £2.4 million, which is still being repaid. So, when the Minister told this Chamber last month that the Government does not fund professional sports teams, with respect, the record shows that it has. So, whether you are a rugby fan or not, taxpayers have a stake in this. So, what happens if a region goes? What happens to St Helen's, where 90 per cent of availability of the ground is meant for community use? Who pays the rent? Who fills the stands? What happens to Parc y Scarlets and the council loan still being repaid? What happens to the training grounds, the academies, the coaches, the physios, to the players at clubs that are on a regional pathway? What happens to programmes like Ospreys in the Community, the hotels, the pubs, the cafes and the taxis? It goes on and on and on. And what about the young players in north Wales or rural Wales? Fewer teams, fewer contracts, fewer chances, more of our talent lost over the border or not discovered at all. The Government's amendment would delete our call to protect the four regions, but it also says that this decision must be informed by a full assessment of the social, community and economic consequences. So, will the Minister ask the WRU to publish its business case for three teams against four, independently checked, before licensing begins in December? Will the Minister work with Sport Wales and councils to publish a full record of public grants, loans and stadium investment in the WRU and the regions, with the conditions attached, to provide transparency in what the taxpayer has spent? And is the Government planning to do the assessment on the impact on jobs, businesses, community programmes and player pathways, not forgetting the impact on north and rural Wales? Everyone in this Chamber says rugby matters to Wales. It absolutely does, but warm words will not save a region. The WRU is independent, but it is not accountable to no-one—it answers to its clubs, its supporters, and, where public money is involved, to the people of Wales. This is a huge decision. If the WRU won't protect the future of the four regions, if the WRU can't protect the future of the four regions, then the communities around these clubs, the businesses that rely on these clubs, and the taxpayer that's funded these regions needs to understand why. Diolch. Diolch. Rwy'n gwneud y cynnig yn enw grŵp Reform UK. Caerdydd, y Dreigiau, y Gweilch, y Scarlets. Am fwy nag 20 mlynedd, mae'r pedwar rhanbarth hyn wedi cario rygbi Cymru. Maent yn gyflogwyr, maent yn ganolfannau cymunedol, nhw yw'r camau cyntaf ar yr ysgol i'r chwaraewyr ifanc, o sir Benfro i Bont-y-pŵl. A heddiw, mae un ohonynt yn wynebu'r fwyell. Nawr, gadewch iddi fod yn glir beth y mae'r cynnig hwn yn ei wneud. Nid yw'n gofyn i Weinidogion redeg Undeb Rygbi Cymru. Mae'n annibynnol ac fe ddylai fod yn annibynnol. Ond ni ddylai annibyniaeth olygu na ddylid ei graffu. Lle mae arian cyhoeddus wedi mynd i mewn, mae gan y cyhoedd hawl i atebion. A lle bydd penderfyniad yn taro swyddi, busnesau a chymunedau, mae gan y Senedd hon hawl i glywed y dystiolaeth y tu ôl i'r penderfyniad hwnnw. Felly, i'r rhai ohonoch nad ydych yn teimlo mor angerddol am rygbi â fi, ym mis Hydref 2025 cyhoeddodd URC y penderfyniad i dorri gêm broffesiynol y dynion o bedwar tîm i dri. Ym mis Gorffennaf 2026, cyhoeddodd ei gynllun. Byddai Caerdydd yn cael cynnig trwydded y brifddinas; y Dreigiau'n cael trwydded y dwyrain; a byddai'r Gweilch a'r Scarlets yn cael eu gadael i ymladd dros un drwydded yn y gorllewin. Ac ym mis Awst, cadarnhaodd cyfarwyddwr rygbi URC, Dave Reddin, fod yr undeb yn cadw at y cynllun hwnnw. Felly, mae'r nod wedi'i ddewis. Mae un rhanbarth yn mynd i orfod mynd cyn i unrhyw un weld y prawf y caiff ei farnu yn ei erbyn. Dyna'r ffordd anghywir o'i chwmpas hi. Mae URC yn dweud na all fforddio pedwar tîm cystadleuol, felly cyhoeddwch yr achos busnes ar gyfer tri thîm yn erbyn pedwar yn llawn cyn mis Rhagfyr. Ac nid arian URC yn unig yw hwn. Yn 2021, rhoddodd Llywodraeth Cymru £13.5 miliwn mewn cyllid goroesi i rygbi—£2.7 miliwn yr un i'r undeb ac i'r pedwar rhanbarth—a £475,000 arall yn 2022; £1.8 miliwn yn 2024 ar gyfer y stadiwm genedlaethol; ac mae Chwaraeon Cymru wedi rhoi bron i £435,000 i URC eleni. Mae cynghorau wedi camu i mewn hefyd. Mae Abertawe wedi cymeradwyo £5.1 miliwn i ailadeiladu Sain Helen, gyda phrydles 50 mlynedd i'r Gweilch. Mae'r fargen ddinesig wedi ychwanegu £771,000. Cyngor Sir Gaerfyrddin sy'n berchen ar Barc y Scarlets a rhoddodd fenthyg £2.4 miliwn i'r clwb, sy'n dal i gael ei ad-dalu. Felly, pan ddywedodd y Gweinidog wrth y Siambr fis diwethaf nad yw'r Llywodraeth yn ariannu timau chwaraeon proffesiynol, gyda phob parch, mae'r cofnod yn dangos ei bod wedi bod yn gwneud hynny. Felly, p'un a ydych chi'n gefnogwr rygbi ai peidio, mae gan drethdalwyr gyfran yn hyn. Felly, beth sy'n digwydd os bydd rhanbarth yn mynd? Beth sy'n digwydd i Sain Helen, lle mae 90 y cant o argaeledd y tir wedi'i fwriadu at ddefnydd cymunedol? Pwy sy'n talu'r rhent? Pwy sy'n llenwi'r eisteddleoedd? Beth sy'n digwydd i Barc y Scarlets a'r benthyciad gan y cyngor sy'n dal i gael ei ad-dalu? Beth sy'n digwydd i'r caeau hyfforddi, yr academïau, yr hyfforddwyr, y ffisiotherapyddion, i chwaraewyr mewn clybiau sydd ar lwybr rhanbarthol? Beth sy'n digwydd i raglenni fel Gweilch yn y Gymuned, y gwestai, y tafarndai, y caffis a'r tacsis? Mae'n rhestr faith. A beth am y chwaraewyr ifanc yng ngogledd Cymru neu yng nghefn gwlad Cymru? Llai o dimau, llai o gontractau, llai o gyfleoedd, mwy o'n talent wedi'i golli dros y ffin neu heb ei ddarganfod o gwbl. Byddai gwelliant y Llywodraeth yn dileu ein galwad i ddiogelu'r pedwar rhanbarth, ond mae hefyd yn dweud bod yn rhaid i'r penderfyniad hwn gael ei lywio gan asesiad llawn o'r canlyniadau cymdeithasol, cymunedol ac economaidd. Felly, a wnaiff y Gweinidog ofyn i URC gyhoeddi ei achos busnes ar gyfer tri thîm yn erbyn pedwar, wedi'i wirio'n annibynnol, cyn i'r trwyddedu ddechrau ym mis Rhagfyr? A wnaiff y Gweinidog weithio gyda Chwaraeon Cymru a chynghorau i gyhoeddi cofnod llawn o grantiau cyhoeddus, benthyciadau a buddsoddiad mewn stadiymau yn Undeb Rygbi Cymru a'r rhanbarthau, gyda'r amodau ynghlwm, i ddarparu tryloywder yn yr hyn y mae'r trethdalwr wedi'i wario? Ac a yw'r Llywodraeth yn bwriadu gwneud yr asesiad ar yr effaith ar swyddi, busnesau, rhaglenni cymunedol a llwybrau chwaraewyr, heb anghofio'r effaith ar ogledd Cymru a'r Gymru wledig? Mae pawb yn y Siambr hon yn dweud bod rygbi'n bwysig i Gymru. Mae hynny'n sicr, ond ni fydd geiriau cynnes yn achub rhanbarth. Mae URC yn annibynnol, ond mae hefyd yn atebol—mae'n atebol i'w glybiau, ei gefnogwyr, ac yng nghyswllt arian cyhoeddus, i bobl Cymru. Mae hwn yn benderfyniad enfawr. Os na fydd URC yn diogelu dyfodol y pedwar rhanbarth, os nad yw URC yn gallu diogelu dyfodol y pedwar rhanbarth, mae angen i'r cymunedau o amgylch y clybiau hyn, y busnesau sy'n dibynnu ar y clybiau hyn, a'r trethdalwr sy'n ariannu'r rhanbarthau hyn ddeall pam. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776856 260 En 2026-10-07T16:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11457&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11457&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776871 261 En 2026-10-07T16:05:50 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11507&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11507&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776867 262 Cy 2026-10-07T16:05:35 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11492&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11492&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch. Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliant i'r cynnig. Galwaf ar y Trefnydd, Prif Chwip, a Gweinidog y Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon i gynnig yn ffurfiol gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn ei henw ei hun. I have selected the amendment to the motion. I call on the Trefnydd, Chief Whip, and Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport to move formally amendment 1, tabled in her own name. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776868 263 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Gwelliant 1—Heledd Fychan Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le: Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn parchu’r ffaith bod Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn sefydliad annibynnol sy’n gyfrifol am wneud ei benderfyniadau ei hun. 2. Yn nodi’r drafodaeth a’r ohebiaeth sy’n parhau rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru ac Undeb Rygbi Cymru, lle mae’r Llywodraeth wedi cynrychioli’n gyson sylwadau a phryderon y cefnogwyr, y cymunedau a’r rhanddeiliaid eraill y bydd y cynigion yn effeithio arnynt. 3. Yn cydnabod pryderon gwirioneddol chwaraewyr, hyfforddwyr, cefnogwyr, staff a gwirfoddolwyr y mae penderfyniad Undeb Rygbi Cymru i leihau nifer y rhanbarthau proffesiynol o bedwar i dri wedi effeithio arnynt. 4. Yn credu bod yn rhaid i benderfyniadau mor arwyddocaol fod yn seiliedig ar ystyriaethau ariannol ac ystyriaethau o ran y gamp a hefyd ar asesiad llawn o’r canlyniadau cymdeithasol, cymunedol ac economaidd. 5. Yn galw ar Undeb Rygbi Cymru i barhau i ymgysylltu mewn modd ystyrlon a thryloyw a chan ystyried yr holl dystiolaeth sydd ar gael, gan gynnwys sylwadau’r cefnogwyr, y cymunedau lleol, y clybiau a’r rhanddeiliaid eraill, wrth iddo ystyried dyfodol y gêm broffesiynol. Amendment 1—Heledd Fychan Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Respects the fact that the Welsh Rugby Union is an independent organisation responsible for its own decision-making. 2. Notes the ongoing dialogue and correspondence between the Welsh Government and the Welsh Rugby Union, through which the Government has consistently represented the views and concerns of supporters, communities and other stakeholders affected by the proposals. 3. Acknowledges the deeply held concerns of players, coaches, supporters, staff and volunteers affected by the Welsh Rugby Union’s decision to reduce the number of professional regions from four to three. 4. Believes decisions of this significance must be informed not only by financial and sporting considerations, but also by a full assessment of their wider social, community and economic consequences. 5. Calls on the Welsh Rugby Union to continue to engage meaningfully, transparently and with a full evidence base, including the views of supporters, local communities, clubs and other stakeholders, as it considers the future shape of the professional game. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776869 264 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Cynigiwyd gwelliant 1. Amendment 1 moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776870 265 Cy 2026-10-07T16:05:48 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11505&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11505&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Trefnydd, Chief Whip and Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport Trefnydd, Prif Chwip a Gweinidog Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon Fychan, Heledd Cynnig yn ffurfiol, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I formally move, Dirprwy Lywydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776873 266 En 2026-10-07T16:05:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11514&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11514&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John The Welsh Rugby Union tells us that the Scarlets or the Ospreys must go because Welsh rugby is not financially sustainable. I, from Gŵyr Abertawe, want to ask the question to the WRU, 'Why?' Why is Welsh rugby so financially unsustainable? Given the massive implications of axing a region, the answer to this question should be public knowledge. Instead, their finances and decisions are in a total black box. There is no good reason to believe that a professional Welsh rugby body, if managed correctly, would not be financially sustainable—of course it can be successful. But if the Welsh Rugby Union want us to believe rugby in Wales is not sustainable, they must ensure that we have full—full—transparency. I would like to thank the Member for bringing the matter to debate and the words that were said a few moments ago. No rugby region deserves to be axed. However, we must face the fact, the reality, that the WRU is an independent body, independent from the Welsh Government, and is responsible for its own governance. A motion calling for the Government to ensure that all four regions are retained is not much more than a political points-scoring exercise as it stands. However, it doesn't help the regions at the moment whatsoever as it stands like that. What we must do is unite across parties, demanding meaningful accountability and transparency from the WRU. This is what will protect the legacy of Welsh rugby in Wales. I thank the Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport for engaging with the WRU so far, stressing the huge concerns held by players, coaches, staff, volunteers and fans about the implications of axing a region. The WRU need to understand that the game belongs to the people and not the board. The financial sustainability of sport ultimately comes down to two things—how it's managed and how it's marketed. Both responsibilities currently lie with the WRU. The WRU's deliberate financial and decision-making secrecy makes judging them on their own merits impossible. But what we can do is compare them to other rugby nations, Ireland for example. In 2024-25, Ireland's rugby union reported around £86 million of revenue; the WRU somewhere in the region of £106 million. With less money and a bigger population, you'd expect Ireland's international team to lag behind, but obviously it's completely, totally, the opposite. Ireland's men rank third in the world, and the women fifth. Neither of Wales's two teams, men and women, could crack the top 10, meaning that the Welsh Rugby Union's Ymlaen Cymru strategy for both teams to be in the top five is completely and totally disconnected with reality. Ireland are far outperforming Wales despite having around £20 million per year less to spend. So, what gives? Why is that happening? If the issue is purely financial sustainability, we must ask why Ireland doesn't have the same issues as us here in Wales. Wales, therefore—. Axing one of the four regions is not the only answer; it cannot be the only answer. It's the lack of transparency from the Welsh Rugby Union that makes it impossible for us to give an answer, leaving us to rely on the word that comes from the board. If the Welsh Rugby Union want us to believe that rugby is unprofitable, then show us the numbers, show us the reasons, show us the rationale that they base this on—it's as simple as that. If there's nothing to hide, why are they hiding? People across Wales, the rugby world, feel completely and totally in the dark. The fans feel alienated. The Welsh Rugby Union are meant to be the stewards of the grass roots. The Welsh Rugby Union have become nothing but a bloated corporate body managing the game's slow decline.  Mae Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn dweud wrthym fod yn rhaid i'r Scarlets neu'r Gweilch fynd am nad yw rygbi Cymru'n gynaliadwy yn ariannol. Rwyf i, o Gŵyr Abertawe, eisiau gofyn y cwestiwn i Undeb Rygbi Cymru, 'Pam?' Pam y mae rygbi Cymru mor anghynaliadwy yn ariannol? O ystyried y goblygiadau enfawr yn sgil torri rhanbarth, dylai'r ateb i'r cwestiwn hwn fod yn hysbys i'r cyhoedd. Yn hytrach, mae eu cyllid a'u penderfyniadau mewn blwch du llwyr. Nid oes rheswm da dros gredu na fyddai corff rygbi proffesiynol Cymreig, pe bai'n cael ei reoli'n gywir, yn gynaliadwy yn ariannol—wrth gwrs y gall fod yn llwyddiannus. Ond os yw Undeb Rygbi Cymru eisiau i ni gredu nad yw rygbi yng Nghymru yn gynaliadwy, rhaid iddynt sicrhau tryloywder llawn. Hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelod am ddod â'r mater gerbron a'r geiriau a ddywedwyd ychydig funudau yn ôl. Nid oes unrhyw ranbarth rygbi yn haeddu cael ei dorri. Fodd bynnag, rhaid inni wynebu'r ffaith, y realiti, fod URC yn gorff annibynnol, yn annibynnol ar Lywodraeth Cymru, ac yn gyfrifol am lywodraethu ei hun. Nid yw cynnig sy'n galw ar y Llywodraeth i sicrhau bod pob un o'r pedwar rhanbarth yn cael eu cadw yn llawer mwy nag ymarfer mewn sgorio pwyntiau gwleidyddol fel y mae. Fodd bynnag, nid yw'n helpu'r rhanbarthau o gwbl. Yr hyn y mae'n rhaid inni ei wneud yw uno ar draws y pleidiau, gan fynnu atebolrwydd a thryloywder ystyrlon gan URC. Dyma beth fydd yn diogelu gwaddol rygbi yng Nghymru. Diolch i'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon am ymgysylltu ag URC hyd yn hyn, gan bwysleisio'r pryderon enfawr sydd gan chwaraewyr, hyfforddwyr, staff, gwirfoddolwyr a chefnogwyr am oblygiadau torri rhanbarth. Mae angen i URC ddeall bod y gêm yn perthyn i'r bobl ac nid i'r bwrdd. Mae cynaliadwyedd ariannol chwaraeon yn seiliedig ar ddau beth yn y pen draw—sut y caiff ei reoli a sut y caiff ei farchnata. Ar hyn o bryd URC sydd â chyfrifoldeb am y  ddau. Mae cyfrinachedd bwriadol URC am faterion ariannol a phenderfyniadau yn gwneud eu barnu ar eu rhinweddau eu hunain yn amhosibl. Ond yr hyn y gallwn ei wneud yw eu cymharu â gwledydd rygbi eraill, Iwerddon er enghraifft. Yn 2024-25, cofnododd undeb rygbi Iwerddon oddeutu £86 miliwn o refeniw; cofnododd URC rywle oddeutu £106 miliwn. Gyda llai o arian a phoblogaeth fwy, byddech chi'n disgwyl i dîm rhyngwladol Iwerddon fod ar ei hôl hi, ond mae'n amlwg mai'r gwrthwyneb yn llwyr sy'n wir. Mae tîm dynion Iwerddon yn drydydd yn y byd, a'r menywod yn bumed. Ni allai'r naill na'r llall o ddau dîm Cymru, yn ddynion a menywod, gyrraedd y 10 uchaf, sy'n golygu bod strategaeth Ymlaen Cymru Undeb Rygbi Cymru ar gyfer y ddau dîm i fod ymhlith y pump uchaf yn bell iawn o gael ei gwireddu. Mae Iwerddon yn perfformio'n llawer gwell na Chymru er bod ganddi tua £20 miliwn y flwyddyn yn llai i'w wario. Felly, pam? Pam y mae hynny'n digwydd? Os mai cynaliadwyedd ariannol yw'r unig broblem, rhaid inni ofyn pam nad oes gan Iwerddon yr un problemau â ni yma yng Nghymru. Mae Cymru, felly—. Nid cael gwared ar un o'r pedwar rhanbarth yw'r unig ateb; ni all fod yr unig ateb. Y diffyg tryloywder gan Undeb Rygbi Cymru sy'n ei gwneud hi'n amhosibl i ni roi ateb, gan ein gadael i ddibynnu ar yr hyn y mae'r bwrdd yn ei ddweud. Os yw Undeb Rygbi Cymru eisiau inni gredu bod rygbi'n amhroffidiol, dangoswch y ffigurau i ni, dangoswch y rhesymau i ni, dangoswch y rhesymeg y mae hyn yn seiliedig arno—mae mor syml â hynny. Os nad oes unrhyw beth i'w guddio, pam eu bod nhw'n cuddio? Mae pobl ledled Cymru, y byd rygbi, yn teimlo eu bod yn y tywyllwch yn llwyr. Mae'r cefnogwyr yn teimlo'u bod wedi eu tramgwyddo. Mae Undeb Rygbi Cymru i fod yn stiwardiaid y gêm ar lawr gwlad. Nid yw Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn ddim byd ond corff corfforaethol chwyddedig sy'n rheoli dirywiad araf y gêm. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776859 267 En 2026-10-07T16:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11757&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11757&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776861 268 En 2026-10-07T16:11:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11822&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11822&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Can I ask you to conclude, John? A gaf i ofyn i chi ddod i ben, John? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776862 269 En 2026-10-07T16:11:06 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11823&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11823&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John They are cutting costs instead of continuing the game's legacy. If we are to save the game, we need to act as one in this Chamber today. It has to be cross-party. This debate is about money, yes, decisions, yes, but it's also health and happiness. Maent yn torri costau yn hytrach na pharhau gwaddol y gêm. Os ydym am achub y gêm, mae angen inni weithredu fel un yn y Siambr hon heddiw. Rhaid iddo fod yn drawsbleidiol. Mae'r ddadl hon yn ymwneud ag arian, ydy, penderfyniadau, ydy, ond mae hefyd yn ymwneud ag iechyd a hapusrwydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776874 270 En 2026-10-07T16:11:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11837&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11837&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry John. John. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776876 271 En 2026-10-07T16:11:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11838&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11838&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John It's so much more. Rugby defines us; it's in our blood, it's in our soul, it's in our DNA. Mae'n gymaint mwy. Mae rygbi'n ein diffinio ni; mae yn ein gwaed, mae yn ein henaid, mae yn ein DNA. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776863 272 En 2026-10-07T16:11:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11844&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11844&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Conclusion. Gorffennwch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776864 273 En 2026-10-07T16:11:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11844&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11844&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 4650 4650 John Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4650 Davies, John The Welsh Rugby Union are at risk of destroying all this. The only ones who can change it are us here today in the Chamber. So, I hope all of us realise that that's what we need to do. Mae Undeb Rygbi Cymru mewn perygl o ddinistrio hyn i gyd. Yr unig rai a all ei newid yw ni yma heddiw yn y Siambr. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd pob un ohonom yn sylweddoli mai dyna sydd angen inni ei wneud. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776995 274 En 2026-10-07T16:11:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11856&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11856&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Thank you. Paul Davies. Diolch. Paul Davies. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776865 275 En 2026-10-07T16:11:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=11859&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=11859&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 145 145 Paul Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=145 Davies, Paul Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. The proposal by the Welsh Rugby Union to reduce the number of professional men's teams from four to three would represent one of the most significant changes to the professional game, and, if this proposal is implemented, it would fundamentally reshape the sport in Wales for a generation. Now, in my view, given the implications of any decision to reduce the number of teams, there is one principle that must come first, and that is transparency. And I'm going to say this as clearly as I can: the Welsh Rugby Union must publish in full the business case underpinning these proposals. If the WRU is asking the rugby community, supporters and the wider public to accept such a huge restructuring of the professional game, then I believe that we have a right to see exactly how it has come to that decision. The WRU must publish the financial evidence that supports a reduction from four teams to three. We have to understand the metrics used to determine the WRU's position. What assessments have been made of geography, the club's impact on culture and our language, the women's game, grass-roots development, transport connectivity, international success? The list goes on. The WRU cannot reach a decision behind closed doors and then present it as a fait accompli. The future of Welsh rugby is simply too important for us not to scrutinise this proposal. Now, let me be clear, I acknowledge that professional rugby across the world faces significant financial pressures. Wales is not alone in that sense, and we have seen clubs collapse, budgets squeezed, and governing bodies are having to make difficult choices. And I don't believe that any serious observer of the game would claim that the finances of the game are in perfect health. But acknowledging those challenges does not mean accepting the WRU's proposed solution without scrutiny. In my view, the fundamental question remains: why can Wales no longer afford four professional sides? We have to look at countries operating in a similar rugby market, and we have to ask what lessons can we learn from others and adopt here in Wales. And that brings me to the issue of accountability. I believe that we should also be willing to ask difficult questions about the governing body itself. What if the WRU is, at least in part, part of the problem? What if some of the challenges facing Welsh rugby stem not only from the performance of the elite team and the clubs, but from decisions made at the centre by the governing body? We have to ask ourselves what assessment has been made of the WRU's own governance arrangements, spending priorities and strategic decisions over recent years. Dirprwy Lywydd, in my view, accountability cannot flow in only one direction. If the rugby community is being asked to accept such a huge change, and if one area is being asked to lose part of their sporting and cultural identity, then the governing body must be prepared to subject itself to the same level of scrutiny. Of course, most people would agree that rugby should remain independent of Government. Ministers should not be selecting teams, determining sport structures, or directing the sport's day-to-day affairs, but independence does not mean an absence of accountability. We also have to remember that, in this whole process, the WRU has a conflict of interest as the owner of one of the four regional teams. That is why transparency matters, that is why accountability matters and that is why publishing the business case matters. Now, few would dispute that Welsh rugby needs reform, but I believe that reform must be achieved with transparency, evidence and accountability; not imposed through speculation, uncertainty and closed decision making. And, so, maybe it's time for some tough questions to be asked of the WRU in this regard. And so, in closing, Dirprwy Lywydd, I want to put on record the Welsh Conservatives' support for a four-team model. And in all probability, the reason that the WRU has not published its business case for reducing the number of professional men's teams from four to three is because the business case isn't strong enough. Cutting one of the teams will take the game away from a huge part of the rugby community, have a detrimental impact on the grass-roots game, which, in turn, harms our competitiveness in the future. Rugby belongs to us all. Many people across Wales have memories of playing the game, whether in school or for a club. It's part of our national character and we must find a way forward that safeguards the professional game for future generations, so we will be supporting this motion this afternoon. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Byddai'r cynnig gan Undeb Rygbi Cymru i leihau nifer y timau dynion proffesiynol o bedwar i dri yn un o'r newidiadau mwyaf arwyddocaol i'r gêm broffesiynol, ac os caiff y cynnig hwn ei weithredu, byddai'n ailsiapio’r gamp yng Nghymru yn sylfaenol am genhedlaeth. Nawr, yn fy marn i, o ystyried goblygiadau unrhyw benderfyniad i leihau nifer y timau, rhaid i un egwyddor ddod yn gyntaf, sef tryloywder. Ac rwy'n mynd i ddweud hyn mor glir ag y gallaf: rhaid i Undeb Rygbi Cymru gyhoeddi'n llawn yr achos busnes sy'n sail i'r cynigion hyn. Os yw URC yn gofyn i'r gymuned rygbi, cefnogwyr a'r cyhoedd ehangach dderbyn ailstrwythuro mor enfawr i'r gêm broffesiynol,rwy'n credu bod gennym hawl i weld yn union sut y daeth i'r penderfyniad hwnnw. Rhaid i URC gyhoeddi'r dystiolaeth ariannol sy'n cefnogi gostyngiad o bedwar tîm i dri. Rhaid inni ddeall y metrigau a ddefnyddir i bennu safbwynt URC. Pa asesiadau a wnaed o ddaearyddiaeth, effaith y clwb ar ddiwylliant a'n hiaith, gêm y merched, datblygiad ar lawr gwlad, cysylltedd trafnidiaeth, llwyddiant rhyngwladol? Mae'r rhestr yn faith. Ni all URC ddod i benderfyniad y tu ôl i ddrysau caeedig ac yna ei gyflwyno fel fait accompli. Mae dyfodol rygbi Cymru yn rhy bwysig inni beidio â chraffu ar y cynnig hwn. Nawr, gadewch imi fod yn glir, rwy'n cydnabod bod rygbi proffesiynol ledled y byd yn wynebu pwysau ariannol sylweddol. Nid yw Cymru ar ei phen ei hun yn yr ystyr honno, ac fe welsom glybiau'n chwalu, cyllidebau dan bwysau, a chyrff llywodraethu'n gorfod gwneud dewisiadau anodd. Ac nid wyf yn credu y byddai unrhyw sylwedydd difrifol ar y gêm yn honni bod cyllid y gêm mewn iechyd perffaith. Ond nid yw cydnabod yr heriau hynny yn golygu derbyn datrysiad arfaethedig URC heb graffu. Yn fy marn i, mae'r cwestiwn sylfaenol yn parhau: pam na all Cymru fforddio pedwar tîm proffesiynol mwyach? Rhaid inni edrych ar wledydd sy'n gweithredu mewn marchnad rygbi debyg, a rhaid inni ofyn pa wersi y gallwn eu dysgu gan eraill a'u mabwysiadu yma yng Nghymru. A daw hynny'n â mi at fater atebolrwydd. Rwy'n credu y dylem fod yn barod hefyd i ofyn cwestiynau anodd am y corff llywodraethu ei hun. Beth os yw URC, yn rhannol o leiaf, yn rhan o'r broblem? Beth os yw rhai o'r heriau sy'n wynebu rygbi Cymru yn deillio nid yn unig o berfformiad y tîm elitaidd a'r clybiau, ond o benderfyniadau a wneir yn y canol gan y corff llywodraethu? Rhaid inni ofyn i ni'n hunain pa asesiad a wnaed o drefniadau llywodraethu, blaenoriaethau gwariant a phenderfyniadau strategol URC ei hun dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf. Ddirprwy Lywydd, yn fy marn i, ni all atebolrwydd lifo i un cyfeiriad yn unig. Os gofynnir i'r gymuned rygbi dderbyn newid mor enfawr, ac os gofynnir i un ardal golli rhan o'u hunaniaeth chwaraeon a diwylliannol, rhaid i'r corff llywodraethu fod yn barod i ddarostwng ei hun i'r un lefel o graffu. Wrth gwrs, byddai'r rhan fwyaf o bobl yn cytuno y dylai rygbi aros yn annibynnol ar y Llywodraeth. Ni ddylai gweinidogion fod yn dewis timau, yn pennu strwythurau chwaraeon, neu'n cyfarwyddo materion beunyddiol y gamp, ond nid yw annibyniaeth yn golygu absenoldeb atebolrwydd. Rhaid inni gofio hefyd, yn y broses gyfan, fod gan URC wrthdaro buddiannau fel perchennog un o'r pedwar tîm rhanbarthol. Dyna pam y mae tryloywder yn bwysig, dyna pam y mae atebolrwydd yn bwysig a dyna pam y mae cyhoeddi'r achos busnes yn bwysig. Nawr, ychydig a fyddai'n dadlau nad oes angen diwygio rygbi Cymru, ond rwy'n credu bod rhaid i ddiwygio gael ei gyflawni gyda thryloywder, tystiolaeth ac atebolrwydd; nid ei orfodi trwy ragdybiaethau, ansicrwydd a phenderfyniadau caeedig. Ac felly, efallai ei bod hi'n bryd gofyn rhai cwestiynau anodd i URC yn hyn o beth. Ac felly, i gloi, Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwyf am gofnodi cefnogaeth y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig i fodel pedwar tîm. Ac yn ôl pob tebyg, y rheswm nad yw URC wedi cyhoeddi ei achos busnes dros leihau nifer y timau dynion proffesiynol o bedwar i dri yw oherwydd nad yw'r achos busnes yn ddigon cryf. Bydd torri un o'r timau yn amddifadu rhan fawr o'r gymuned rygbi o'r gêm, yn cael effaith niweidiol ar y gêm ar lawr gwlad, a fydd, yn ei dro, yn niweidio ein cystadleurwydd yn y dyfodol. Mae rygbi'n perthyn i ni i gyd. Mae gan lawer o bobl ledled Cymru atgofion o chwarae'r gêm, boed yn yr ysgol neu i glwb. Mae'n rhan o'n cymeriad cenedlaethol ac mae'n rhaid inni ddod o hyd i ffordd ymlaen sy'n diogelu'r gêm broffesiynol ar gyfer cenedlaethau'r dyfodol, felly fe fyddwn yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn y prynhawn yma. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776866 276 En 2026-10-07T16:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12057&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776878 277 En 2026-10-07T16:16:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12165&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12165&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven We support the Ospreys. We support keeping all four professional rugby teams in Wales. We want this Plaid Government to fight for them. Saving the Ospreys should never mean sacrificing the Scarlets. We want the Ospreys, the Scarlets, Cardiff and the Dragons to have a future—a sustainable future. Our motion asks the Government to protect all four regions. Plaid's amendments, as usual, are wishy-washy and remove that commitment. Exhaustingly, it talks about discussions, evidence and concerns, but crucially, does not call for all four teams to stay. Minister, why take that commitment out? You've written five points without answering one simple question: do you want to keep all four teams? That should not require another meeting. Surely Ministers can tell us what outcome they're working towards, or are they, like Pontius Pilate, washing their hands of a situation? If the answer is four teams, say so and support our motion. If it's three, explain to the communities affected why the Welsh Government is prepared to accept that. The Minister has met the WRU and raised concerns; we acknowledge that, but what have those meetings achieved? If there were prizes for holding meetings, this Government would need a bigger trophy cabinet. Meanwhile, local businesses need customers. Picture a match weekend: supporters booking rooms, buying meals, visiting pubs and taking taxis—spending money in the local economy. That spending can help pay wages and keep businesses going. If a professional team disappears, what happens to that trade? Will visiting supporters still come? Will they book hotel rooms? Will they spend in our hospitality businesses? Rydym yn cefnogi'r Gweilch. Rydym yn cefnogi cadw pob un o'r pedwar tîm rygbi proffesiynol yng Nghymru. Rydym eisiau i Lywodraeth Plaid Cymru ymladd drostynt. Ni ddylai achub y Gweilch byth olygu aberthu'r Scarlets. Rydym eisiau i'r Gweilch, y Scarlets, Caerdydd a'r Dreigiau gael dyfodol—dyfodol cynaliadwy. Mae ein cynnig ni'n gofyn i'r Llywodraeth ddiogelu pob un o'r pedwar rhanbarth. Mae gwelliannau Plaid Cymru, fel arfer, yn lastwraidd ac yn dileu'r ymrwymiad hwnnw. Mae'n sôn yn hirwyntog am drafodaethau, tystiolaeth a phryderon, ond yn hollbwysig, nid yw'n galw am gadw pob un o'r pedwar tîm. Weinidog, pam tynnu'r ymrwymiad hwnnw allan? Rydych chi wedi ysgrifennu pum pwynt heb ateb un cwestiwn syml: a ydych chi eisiau cadw pob un o'r pedwar tîm? Ni ddylai hynny alw am gyfarfod arall. Yn sicr, gall Gweinidogion ddweud wrthym pa ganlyniad y maent yn gweithio tuag ato, neu a ydynt, fel Pontius Peilat, yn golchi eu dwylo o'r sefyllfa? Os mai'r ateb yw pedwar tîm, dywedwch hynny a chefnogwch ein cynnig. Os mai tri yw'r ateb, esboniwch i'r cymunedau yr effeithir arnynt pam y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn barod i dderbyn hynny. Mae'r Gweinidog wedi cyfarfod â URC ac wedi mynegi pryderon; rydym yn cydnabod hynny, ond beth y mae'r cyfarfodydd hynny wedi'u cyflawni? Pe ceid gwobrau am gynnal cyfarfodydd, byddai angen cwpwrdd tlysau mwy o faint ar y Llywodraeth hon. Yn y cyfamser, mae angen cwsmeriaid ar fusnesau lleol. Dychmygwch benwythnos gêm: cefnogwyr yn archebu ystafelloedd, yn prynu prydau bwyd, yn ymweld â thafarndai a defnyddio tacsis—yn gwario arian yn yr economi leol. Gall y gwariant hwnnw helpu i dalu cyflogau a chadw busnesau'n fyw. Os yw tîm proffesiynol yn diflannu, beth sy'n digwydd i'r fasnach honno? A fydd cefnogwyr sy'n ymweld yn dal i ddod? A fyddant yn archebu ystafelloedd gwesty? A fyddant yn gwario yn ein busnesau lletygarwch? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776880 278 En 2026-10-07T16:18:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12260&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12260&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Sorry, Steven, can I just interrupt you? You're really distracting me with the chatter. Do you mind, while we've got someone talking? Is that okay? Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, Steven, a gaf i dorri ar eich traws? Rydych chi'n tynnu fy sylw'n llwyr gyda'r sgwrsio. A wnewch chi beidio, tra bod gennym rywun yn siarad? A yw hynny’n iawn? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776882 279 En 2026-10-07T16:18:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12269&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12269&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12191 12191 Steven Rodaway AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12191 Rodaway, Steven Thank you, Deputy Llywydd. Before any team loses its licence, we need answers. When asked about economic consequences on 15 September, the Minister referred to business rate support and concerns she had raised. Her answer gave no timetable for a Government impact assessment. Business rate support is welcome, but a pub needs customers. Ministers should work with councils and businesses to scope what would be lost and how to protect local jobs. These are real businesses, run by people who need to plan ahead. They deserve practical help before decisions are made, while alternative action remains possible. There is public investment at stake as well. Has this even been taken into account? Swansea Council, as stated by Louise, has invested £5.1 million—that's £5.1 million—in the redevelopment of St Helen's for the Ospreys' professional rugby and community use. What happens to their plans if the Ospreys lose their professional licence before those plans and opportunities for income generation have been realised? Ministers should be asking that question now. The ground will have community uses, and this matters. How will the Government's preventative health agenda through sport be maximised with the potential loss and uncertainty around the professional team? We need to understand how uncertainty affects business confidence and investment, the stadium's income, its future use, the current sunk costs and, of course, the benefits promised to local people. We recognise the WRU's financial problems. It says it cannot fund four competitive teams beyond 2028, but it is also making a series of financial choices. We want to see properly funded options, with clear figures and commitments. Every proposal should explain its costs, its risks, where the money comes from. The same standard should apply to a plan for three teams as well as for four. Let independent experts examine it, let supporters see the reasoning. Any reorganisation of such scale and such significance should be open to try and bring along public and stakeholder opinion. This is blatantly something the WRU has failed to do. All I see, as John said, is alienation and despair. The WRU does make its own decisions, but it is the responsibility of a competent Government to challenge them, especially where jobs, livelihoods and one of the pillars of our nation are under threat. Nobody is asking the Minister to pick the team; we are asking her to fight for the teams we have. The licensing process is due to begin in December. There is still time to act if the Government pulls its finger out. Bring the WRU, all four teams, councils, supporters and businesses together. Examine options, including a funded plan to retain four teams. Assess the consequences for local jobs and communities, and give businesses a voice in that work. Ask the hotelier, the publican, the restaurant owner what match weekends actually mean to them. Their livelihoods deserve more than a passing mention in a discussion about rugby. Government should listen to these answers and explain how they will shape its response, before the licensing decisions have been made, then report with clear actions and deadlines. Minister, supporters have made their position clear. It is now time for the Government to do the same. We support the Ospreys. We support all four teams. Plaid, while in opposition, said that the WRU risk losing the soul of Welsh rugby. Give us the commitment to their future and a plan to help secure it. Support the motion. Thank you. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Cyn i unrhyw dîm golli ei drwydded, mae angen atebion. Pan ofynnwyd iddi am ganlyniadau economaidd ar 15 Medi, cyfeiriodd y Gweinidog at gymorth ardrethi busnes a phryderon a godwyd ganddi. Nid oedd ei hateb yn rhoi amserlen ar gyfer asesiad effaith gan y Llywodraeth. Mae croeso i gymorth ardrethi busnes, ond mae tafarn angen cwsmeriaid. Dylai Gweinidogion weithio gyda chynghorau a busnesau i gwmpasu beth fyddai'n cael ei golli a sut i ddiogelu swyddi lleol. Mae'r rhain yn fusnesau go iawn sy'n cael eu rhedeg gan bobl sydd angen cynllunio ymlaen llaw. Maent yn haeddu cymorth ymarferol cyn i benderfyniadau gael eu gwneud, tra bod camau amgen yn parhau i fod yn bosibl. Mae buddsoddiad cyhoeddus yn y fantol hefyd. A yw hyn wedi'i ystyried hyd yn oed? Mae Cyngor Abertawe, fel y nododd Louise, wedi buddsoddi £5.1 miliwn—£5.1 miliwn—yn ailddatblygu Sain Helen ar gyfer rygbi proffesiynol a defnydd cymunedol y Gweilch. Beth sy'n digwydd i'w cynlluniau os bydd y Gweilch yn colli eu trwydded broffesiynol cyn i'r cynlluniau a'r cyfleoedd hynny ar gyfer cynhyrchu incwm gael eu gwireddu? Dylai Gweinidogion ofyn y cwestiwn hwnnw nawr. Bydd defnydd cymunedol i'r cae, ac mae hyn yn bwysig. Sut y manteisir i'r eithaf ar agenda iechyd ataliol y Llywodraeth trwy chwaraeon gyda'r golled a'r ansicrwydd posibl ynghylch y tîm proffesiynol? Mae angen inni ddeall sut y mae ansicrwydd yn effeithio ar hyder a buddsoddiadau busnes, incwm stadiwm, ei defnydd yn y dyfodol, y costau suddedig presennol ac wrth gwrs, y buddion a addawyd i bobl leol. Rydym yn cydnabod problemau ariannol URC. Mae'n dweud na all ariannu pedwar tîm cystadleuol y tu hwnt i 2028, ond mae hefyd yn gwneud cyfres o ddewisiadau ariannol. Rydym am weld opsiynau wedi'u hariannu'n briodol, gyda ffigurau ac ymrwymiadau clir. Dylai pob cynnig esbonio ei gostau, ei risgiau, o ble y daw'r arian. Dylai'r un safon fod yn berthnasol i gynllun ar gyfer tri thîm yn ogystal ag ar gyfer pedwar. Gadewch i arbenigwyr annibynnol ei archwilio, gadewch i gefnogwyr weld y sail resymegol. Dylai unrhyw ad-drefnu ar raddfa mor fawr ac mor arwyddocaol fod yn agored i geisio denu cefnogaeth y cyhoedd a rhanddeiliaid. Mae hyn yn amlwg yn rhywbeth y mae URC wedi methu ei wneud. Y cyfan rwy'n ei weld, fel y dywedodd John, yw tramgwydd ac anobaith. Mae URC yn gwneud ei benderfyniadau ei hun, ond mae'n gyfrifoldeb ar Lywodraeth gymwys i'w herio, yn enwedig lle mae swyddi, bywoliaeth pobl ac un o bileri ein cenedl dan fygythiad. Nid oes neb yn gofyn i'r Gweinidog ddewis y tîm; rydym yn gofyn iddi ymladd dros y timau sydd gennym. Disgwylir i'r broses drwyddedu ddechrau ym mis Rhagfyr. Mae amser o hyd i weithredu os yw'r Llywodraeth yn torchi ei llewys. Dewch ag URC, y pedwar tîm, cynghorau, cefnogwyr a busnesau at ei gilydd. Archwiliwch opsiynau, gan gynnwys cynllun wedi'i ariannu i gadw pedwar tîm. Aseswch y canlyniadau i swyddi a chymunedau lleol, a rhowch lais i fusnesau yn y gwaith hwnnw. Gofynnwch i'r gwestywr, y tafarnwr, perchennog y bwyty beth y mae penwythnosau gêm yn ei olygu iddynt hwy mewn gwirionedd. Mae eu bywoliaeth yn haeddu mwy na chyfeiriad wrth basio mewn trafodaeth am rygbi. Dylai'r Llywodraeth wrando ar yr atebion hyn ac esbonio sut y bydd yn siapio ei hymateb, cyn i'r penderfyniadau trwyddedu gael eu gwneud, ac adrodd wedyn gyda chamau gweithredu a dyddiadau clir. Weinidog, mae cefnogwyr wedi gwneud eu safbwynt yn glir. Mae'n bryd i'r Llywodraeth wneud yr un peth. Rydym yn cefnogi'r Gweilch. Rydym yn cefnogi pob un o'r pedwar tîm. Dywedodd Plaid Cymru, tra oedd hi'n wrthblaid, fod perygl i URC golli enaid rygbi Cymru. Ymrwymwch i ddyfodol y timau a chynlluniwch i'w diogelu. Cefnogwch y cynnig. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776879 280 En 2026-10-07T16:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12357&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12357&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776883 281 En 2026-10-07T16:21:53 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12470&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12470&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12152 12152 Carmelo Colasanto AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12152 Colasanto, Carmelo Having raised the issue on three separate occasions, and having written to the WRU, I finally received their response on 15 September this year. In that response, the WRU stated that Cardiff Rugby and the Dragons were confirmed as the preferred licence holders, given that they are the incumbents. Well, the Scarlets and the Ospreys are also incumbents, so I don't know how they came to that conclusion. Yet in the west, the two incumbent clubs must compete for one place. The letter does not explain why they are being treated differently. However, more worryingly, as Paul has mentioned, the capital licence is earmarked for a club the WRU itself owns, whose £2.4 million loss was excluded from the group's own adjusted operating figures. That is not fair nor transparent. In October last year, the WRU said if consensus could not be reached, it would run a fair and transparent tendering process for the three licences. Instead, two licences have effectively been earmarked and one is being contested. This is not a level playing field. It is a play-off for the west. Llywydd, a decision of this magnitude needs the right people, in the right place, at the right time. That was a principle drummed into me in business. I'm afraid to say, at this moment, we have the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. A board that promised a fair and transparent tender, then earmarked two of those three licences before it began. A board that owns one of the clubs is licensing, and will sit in judgment of the others. On finance, the WRU says £20 million a year is available for the professional clubs and that split four ways it is not enough for each to compete consistently. Perhaps that's the case. Who knows? But that £20 million allocation sits within a group that turned over £106 million in its last published accounts. The WRU says the funding gap is too significant to close through commercial growth alone. Then, let's publish the gap for all to see and let's have some transparency, because there's been no scrutiny for the public or us. The Minister told this Chamber last month that decisions on the professional game are for the WRU. That may describe the Government's approach, but the public purse is already involved. In 2021, the Welsh Government's survival package was £13.5 million, as was already confirmed, and each of the regions received £2.7 million in a non-repayable loan. In Carmarthenshire, the council lent the Scarlets funding and owns the freehold of Parc y Scarlets. So, Carmarthenshire taxpayers have a right to know what happens to that loan and that ground if the Scarlets lose their licence. But this is about far more than a loan and a freehold. If the Scarlets were to close, it would be the final nail in the coffin for Llanelli town centre, a town that has already lost too much. Too many shutters down, too many shops gone. Every home game brings thousands of people into Llanelli. They fill the pubs, the cafes, the restaurants. For some of those businesses, match days are the difference between staying open and closing forever. Take the Scarlets away and that trade does not move somewhere else in Llanelli, it simply disappears. On the Government amendment, I agree with much of what it asks for: a full assessment of the consequences, transparency and meaningful engagement. That's exactly what I've been asking the WRU for for the last four weeks. But the amendment removes the central point of this motion that I support: the call to protect the future of all four regions. So, I ask the Minister for three things. First, will she bring the WRU, all the four regions and the affected councils together to examine the options before the licensing process begins in December? Secondly, last month, she undertook to take this Chamber's concerns to the WRU. What response has she received from them, and will she press for the WRU to publish its own full, transparent report? And third, will she work with Carmarthenshire and Swansea councils to establish what happens to the publicly backed loans, grounds and community programmes if either of those clubs lose their licence? Finally, to the bit that I really care about, numbers do not always tell the full story. For a century and a half, rugby has been part of Welsh identity. It's woven into our history, our fabric and our towns and cities. It forms part of our everyday chat in pubs, schools, hair salons, town centres. Heroes of yesteryear like Mervyn Davies, Scott Gibbs, Scott Quinnell, Ray Gravell, Phil Bennett—too many people to mention and too many to honour right here in this speech—their memories and deeds are timeless. And whilst we may never see their like again, this proposal removes any opportunity for tomorrow's legends to aspire to take their rightful place amongst them. These clubs are not franchises to be shuffled around a map; they are generational—grandparents who stood on the terraces of Stradey and St Helen's, parents who now take their own children to the game. You cannot rebuild 150 years of sporting heritage. Once it's gone, it's gone forever. The amendment by Plaid isn't a solution. It's not even half a solution. It is an abject surrender by a party that speaks of passion, and then surrenders our national game to a business model that treats the game like a commodity, and it is no such thing. Welsh rugby is the passion that lights our souls. It's the hopes and aspirations of young children who long to emulate their heroes. It's the memory of the elders who wish to see the glory days return, and must never be the bottom line on a financial spreadsheet. I urge Members to think today on the decision they make that will consign possibly one of our greatest regional clubs to the footnote of history. With that, I reject the amendment and support this motion fully. Ar ôl codi'r mater ar dri achlysur gwahanol, ac ar ôl ysgrifennu at URC, cefais eu hymateb o'r diwedd ar 15 Medi eleni. Yn yr ymateb hwnnw, nododd URC mai Rygbi Caerdydd a'r Dreigiau oedd y deiliaid trwyddedau a ffafrir, o ystyried mai nhw yw'r deiliaid trwyddedau presennol. Wel, mae'r Scarlets a'r Gweilch hefyd yn ddeiliad trwyddedau, felly nid wyf yn gwybod sut y daethant i'r casgliad hwnnw. Ond yn y gorllewin, rhaid i'r ddau glwb presennol gystadlu am un lle. Nid yw'r llythyr yn egluro pam eu bod yn cael eu trin yn wahanol. Fodd bynnag, yn fwy pryderus, fel y soniodd Paul, mae trwydded y brifddinas wedi'i chlustnodi ar gyfer clwb y mae URC ei hun yn berchen arno, clwb y cafodd ei golled o £2.4 miliwn ei eithrio o ffigurau gweithredu addasedig y grŵp ei hun. Nid yw hynny'n deg nac yn dryloyw. Ym mis Hydref y llynedd, dywedodd URC os na ellid dod i gonsensws, y byddai'n cynnal proses dendro deg a thryloyw ar gyfer y tair trwydded. Yn hytrach, mae dwy drwydded wedi'u clustnodi i bob pwrpas a cheir cystadleuaeth ar gyfer un. Nid yw'n sefyllfa deg. Mae fel gêm ail gyfle i'r gorllewin. Lywydd, ar gyfer penderfyniad o'r maint hwn, mae angen y bobl iawn yn y lle iawn ar yr adeg iawn. Roedd honno'n egwyddor a gafodd ei phregethu wrthyf ym myd busnes. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf ddweud, ar hyn o bryd, fod gennym y bobl anghywir yn y lle anghywir ar yr adeg anghywir. Bwrdd a addawodd dendr teg a thryloyw, ac a aeth ati i glustnodi dwy o'r tair trwydded cyn i'r broses ddechrau. Bwrdd sy'n berchen ar un o'r clybiau sy'n trwyddedu, ac fe fydd yn penderfynu ar dynged y lleill. Ar gyllid, mae URC yn dweud bod £20 miliwn y flwyddyn ar gael i'r clybiau proffesiynol ac nad yw'n ddigon o'i rannu'n bedair rhan i bob un allu cystadlu'n gyson. Efallai fod hynny'n wir. Pwy â ŵyr? Ond daw'r dyraniad o £20 miliwn gan grŵp a welodd drosiant o £106 miliwn yn ei gyfrifon cyhoeddedig diwethaf. Mae URC yn dweud bod y bwlch cyllido'n rhy fawr i'w gau trwy dwf masnachol yn unig. Gadewch inni gyhoeddi'r bwlch i bawb ei weld felly, a gadewch inni gael rhywfaint o dryloywder, oherwydd ni fu unrhyw graffu ar ran y cyhoedd nac ar ein rhan ninnau. Dywedodd y Gweinidog wrth y Siambr fis diwethaf mai URC sydd i wneud penderfyniadau ar y gêm broffesiynol. Efallai fod hynny'n disgrifio ymagwedd y Llywodraeth, ond mae'r pwrs cyhoeddus eisoes ynghlwm wrth hyn. Yn 2021, roedd pecyn goroesi Llywodraeth Cymru yn £13.5 miliwn, fel y cadarnhawyd eisoes, a derbyniodd pob un o'r rhanbarthau £2.7 miliwn mewn benthyciad nad yw i'w ad-dalu. Yn sir Gaerfyrddin, benthycodd y cyngor arian i'r Scarlets ac mae'n berchen ar rydd-ddaliad Parc y Scarlets. Felly, mae gan drethdalwyr sir Gaerfyrddin hawl i wybod beth sy'n digwydd i'r benthyciad a'r cae hwnnw os yw'r Scarlets yn colli eu trwydded. Ond mae a wnelo hyn â llawer mwy na benthyciad a rhydd-ddaliad. Pe bai'r Scarlets yn dod i ben, dyma'r hoelen olaf yn yr arch i ganol tref Llanelli, tref sydd eisoes wedi colli gormod. Gormod o siopau wedi cau neu wedi mynd. Mae pob gêm gartref yn dod â miloedd o bobl i mewn i Lanelli. Maent yn llenwi'r tafarndai, y caffis, y bwytai. I rai o'r busnesau hynny, diwrnodau gêm yw'r gwahaniaeth rhwng aros ar agor a chau am byth. Os collwch y Scarlets, nid yw'r fasnach honno'n symud i rywle arall yn Llanelli, mae'n diflannu. Ar welliant y Llywodraeth, rwy'n cytuno â llawer o'r hyn y mae'n galw amdano: asesiad llawn o'r canlyniadau, tryloywder ac ymgysylltu ystyrlon. Dyna'n union beth y bûm innau'n gofyn i URC amdano dros y pedair wythnos diwethaf. Ond mae'r gwelliant yn dileu pwynt canolog y cynnig a gefnogaf: yr alwad i ddiogelu dyfodol y pedwar rhanbarth. Felly, gofynnaf i'r Gweinidog am dri pheth. Yn gyntaf, a wnaiff hi ddod ag URC, y pedwar rhanbarth a'r cynghorau yr effeithir arnynt at ei gilydd i archwilio'r opsiynau cyn i'r broses drwyddedu ddechrau ym mis Rhagfyr? Yn ail, fis diwethaf, fe ymrwymodd i fynd â phryderon y Siambr hon at URC. Pa ymateb a gafodd ganddynt, ac a wnaiff hi bwyso ar URC i gyhoeddi ei adroddiad llawn a thryloyw ei hun? Ac yn drydydd, a wnaiff hi weithio gyda chynghorau sir Gaerfyrddin ac Abertawe i sefydlu beth sy'n digwydd i'r benthyciadau, y caeau a'r rhaglenni cymunedol a gefnogir gan y cyhoedd os bydd y naill neu'r llall o'r clybiau hynny'n colli eu trwydded? Yn olaf, at y rhan rwy'n malio'n fawr amdani, nid yw ffigurau bob amser yn dweud y stori lawn. Ers canrif a hanner, mae rygbi wedi bod yn rhan o hunaniaeth Cymru. Mae wedi'i weu i mewn i'n hanes, ein gwead a'n trefi a'n dinasoedd. Mae'n rhan o'n sgwrs bob dydd mewn tafarndai, ysgolion, siopau trin gwallt, canol trefi. Arwyr y gorffennol fel Mervyn Davies, Scott Gibbs, Scott Quinnell, Ray Gravell, Phil Bennett—gormod o bobl i'w crybwyll a gormod i'w hanrhydeddu yma yn yr araith hon—mae'r cof amdanynt a'r hyn a wnaethant yn fythol. Ac er efallai na welwn mo'u tebyg eto, mae'r cynnig hwn gan URC yn dileu unrhyw gyfle i arwyr yfory ddyheu am gymryd eu lle priodol yn eu plith. Nid masnachfreintiau i'w gwthio o gwmpas map yw'r clybiau hyn; maent yn pontio'r cenedlaethau—neiniau a theidiau a safodd ar derasau Strade a Sain Helen, rhieni sydd bellach yn mynd â'u plant eu hunain i'r gêm. Ni allwch ailadeiladu 150 o flynyddoedd o dreftadaeth chwaraeon. Pan fydd wedi mynd, fe fydd wedi mynd am byth. Nid yw'r gwelliant gan Blaid Cymru'n ateb. Nid yw hyd yn oed yn hanner ateb. Mae'n ildiad llwyr gan blaid sy'n siarad am angerdd, ac yna'n ildio ein gêm genedlaethol i fodel busnes sy'n trin y gêm fel nwydd, ac nid dyna ydyw o gwbl. Rygbi Cymru yw'r angerdd sy'n goleuo ein heneidiau, gobeithion a dyheadau plant ifanc sy'n ysu am efelychu eu harwyr, cof yr hynafgwyr sy'n dymuno gweld y dyddiau gogoneddus yn dychwelyd, ac ni ddylai byth fod yn llinell waelod ar daenlen ariannol. Rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i feddwl heddiw am y penderfyniad a wnânt, a fydd o bosibl yn tynghedu un o'n clybiau rhanbarthol mwyaf i fod yn ddim byd mwy na throednodyn yn y llyfrau hanes. Gyda hynny, rwy'n gwrthod y gwelliant ac yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn yn llawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776872 282 En 2026-10-07T16:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12657&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776885 283 En 2026-10-07T16:27:13 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12790&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12790&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve This debate is not about nostalgia, and it is not about politicians trying to run the Welsh Rugby Union. It is about whether Wales should lose a quarter of its men's professional game before anyone has shown that it must. The union has already fixed the destination: three teams from 2028. Cardiff and the Dragons have been offered the capital and east licences, and the Ospreys and Scarlets are left competing for one licence in the west. Yet, by the Welsh Rugby Union's own timetable, the process is set, the licensing framework does not begin until December. So, how can the destination already be decided when the framework has not yet been determined? We know one region must go before. We know the test that it will be judged by. That is the wrong way round. I accept the financial argument must be taken seriously. The union says there is no realistic prospect of the game generating enough revenue to fund four professional teams competitively beyond 2028. We should not dismiss that because we dislike the conclusion, but the assertion is not a demonstration. So, publish the evidence, the business case for the three against four and the impact on the community that loses its team. Because Afan Ogwr Rhondda is not excepted. Aberavon are playing their hundred and fiftieth season this year, with Ospreys-allocated players in their squad. That is what a player pathway looks like in practice. And once it is dismantled, rebuilding it is far harder than removing it. My constituency and yours, Cabinet Minister, knows what losing a region feels like. In 2004, the Celtic Warriors, the region built on Bridgend and Pontypridd, were wound up after a single season. The Welsh Government cannot simply reply that the union is independent—of course it is—but independence is not immunity from scrutiny. In 2021, £13.5 million of Welsh Government survival funding went into rugby; £2.7 million went to the union, and the rest was divided equally between the four regions, the Ospreys and Scarlets included. And Sport Wales put £434,945 into the Welsh Rugby Union in 2025-26. On 16 September, the Cabinet Minister told this Chamber that it's important to ensure that any decisions are transparent, evidence based and take full account of the wider impact on Welsh rugby. Those are her tests. But you cannot take full account of the impact nobody has measured. As my colleague Steven Rodaway told this Chamber, the day before, the Minister's answer to his written question confirmed that the Welsh Government had undertaken no assessment of the economic or community impact.  The amendment tabled by the Cabinet Minister would delete the call to protect four regions. It says that 'decisions of this significance must be informed...by a full assessment of their wider social, community and economic consequences.' I welcome that recognition, but if the Government does not assess them, who will? And will the assessment happen before the decision or after it? So, my question to the Cabinet Minister is this: she has told the Chamber that there are always discussions between the Government and the union. Will she use those discussions to ask the union, before the licensing process begins in December, to publish the business case for three teams against four and its assessment on the impact on community clubs and player pathways, and will she publish the reply? There is a difference between asking for another round of engagement and standing up for the future of four regions. People in my constituency are not asking Ministers to run rugby. They are asking them to stand up for the communities rugby depends on. That's why I support the motion as tabled. Diolch yn fawr. Nid dadl am hiraeth yw'r ddadl hon, na dadl am wleidyddion yn ceisio rhedeg Undeb Rygbi Cymru. Mae'n gofyn a ddylai Cymru golli chwarter gêm broffesiynol y dynion cyn bod neb wedi dangos bod yn rhaid gwneud hynny. Mae'r undeb eisoes wedi gosod y nod: tri thîm o 2028 ymlaen. Mae Caerdydd a'r Dreigiau wedi cael cynnig trwydded y brifddinas a thrwydded y dwyrain, ac mae'r Gweilch a'r Scarlets yn cystadlu am un drwydded yn y gorllewin. Eto i gyd, yn ôl amserlen Undeb Rygbi Cymru ei hun, mae'r broses wedi'i gosod, nid yw'r fframwaith trwyddedu'n dechrau tan fis Rhagfyr. Felly, sut y gellir penderfynu eisoes ar y nod pan nad yw'r fframwaith wedi'i bennu eto? Gwyddom fod yn rhaid i un rhanbarth fynd cyn hynny. Gwyddom beth yw'r prawf y bydd yn cael ei farnu yn ei erbyn. Dyna'r ffordd anghywir o'i chwmpas hi. Rwy'n derbyn yr angen i fod o ddifrif ynghylch y ddadl ariannol. Mae'r undeb yn dweud nad oes unrhyw obaith realistig y bydd y gêm yn cynhyrchu digon o refeniw i ariannu pedwar tîm proffesiynol yn gystadleuol y tu hwnt i 2028. Ni ddylem ddiystyru hynny am nad ydym yn hoffi'r casgliad, ond nid arddangosiad yw'r honiad. Felly, cyhoeddwch y dystiolaeth, yr achos busnes dros dri yn hytrach na phedwar a'r effaith ar y gymuned sy'n colli ei thîm. Oherwydd nid yw Afan Ogwr Rhondda wedi eu heithrio. Mae Aberafan yn chwarae eu 150fed tymor eleni, gyda chwaraewyr i'r Gweilch yn eu carfan. Dyna sut olwg sydd ar lwybr chwaraewr yn ymarferol. A phan gaiff ei ddatgymalu, mae ei ailadeiladu'n llawer anos na chael ei wared. Mae fy etholaeth i a'ch etholaeth chi, Weinidog Cabinet, yn gwybod sut y mae colli rhanbarth yn teimlo. Yn 2004, daeth y Rhyfelwyr Celtaidd, y rhanbarth a adeiladwyd ar Ben-y-bont ar Ogwr a Phontypridd, i ben ar ôl un tymor. Ni all Llywodraeth Cymru ateb fod yr undeb yn annibynnol—wrth gwrs ei fod—ond nid yw annibyniaeth yn golygu ei fod yn rhydd rhag craffu. Yn 2021, aeth £13.5 miliwn o gyllid goroesi Llywodraeth Cymru tuag at rygbi; aeth £2.7 miliwn i'r undeb, a rhannwyd y gweddill yn gyfartal rhwng y pedwar rhanbarth, gan gynnwys y Gweilch a'r Scarlets. A rhoddodd Chwaraeon Cymru £434,945 i Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn 2025-26. Ar 16 Medi, dywedodd y Gweinidog Cabinet wrth y Siambr hon ei bod yn bwysig sicrhau bod unrhyw benderfyniadau'n dryloyw, yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth ac yn ystyried yn llawn yr effaith ehangach ar rygbi Cymru. Dyna yw ei meini prawf. Ond ni allwch roi ystyriaeth lawn i'r effaith nad oes neb wedi'i mesur. Fel y dywedodd fy nghyd-Aelod Steven Rodaway wrth y Siambr, y diwrnod o'r blaen fe gadarnhaodd ateb y Gweinidog i'w gwestiwn ysgrifenedig nad oedd Llywodraeth Cymru wedi cynnal unrhyw asesiad o'r effaith ar yr economi na'r gymuned. Byddai'r gwelliant a gyflwynwyd gan y Gweinidog Cabinet yn dileu'r alwad i ddiogelu pedwar rhanbarth. Mae'n dweud 'rhaid i benderfyniadau mor arwyddocaol fod yn seiliedig ar... asesiad llawn o'r canlyniadau cymdeithasol, cymunedol ac economaidd ehangach.' Rwy'n croesawu'r gydnabyddiaeth honno, ond os nad yw'r Llywodraeth yn eu hasesu, pwy fydd yn gwneud hynny? Ac a fydd yr asesiad yn digwydd cyn y penderfyniad neu ar ei ôl? Felly, fy nghwestiwn i'r Gweinidog Cabinet yw hwn: mae hi wedi dweud wrth y Siambr bod trafodaethau bob amser rhwng y Llywodraeth a'r undeb. A fydd hi'n defnyddio'r trafodaethau hynny i ofyn i'r undeb, cyn i'r broses drwyddedu ddechrau ym mis Rhagfyr, gyhoeddi'r achos busnes dros dri thîm yn hytrach na phedwar a'i asesiad ar yr effaith ar glybiau cymunedol a llwybrau chwaraewyr, ac a wnaiff hi gyhoeddi'r ateb? Mae gwahaniaeth rhwng gofyn am rownd arall o ymgysylltu a sefyll dros ddyfodol pedwar rhanbarth. Nid yw pobl yn fy etholaeth i'n gofyn i Weinidogion redeg rygbi. Maent yn gofyn iddynt sefyll dros y cymunedau y mae rygbi'n dibynnu arnynt. Dyna pam rwy'n cefnogi'r cynnig fel y'i cyflwynwyd. Diolch yn fawr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776881 284 En 2026-10-07T16:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=12957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=12957&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776887 285 Cy 2026-10-07T16:32:03 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13080&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13080&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf ar y Trefnydd, Prif Chwip a Gweinidog Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon, Heledd Fychan. I call the Trefnydd, Chief Whip and Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport, Heledd Fychan.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776888 286 Cy 2026-10-07T16:32:10 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13087&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13087&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Trefnydd, Chief Whip and Cabinet Minister for Culture and Sport Trefnydd, Prif Chwip a Gweinidog Cabinet dros Ddiwylliant a Chwaraeon Fychan, Heledd Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl y prynhawn yma. Dwi eisiau bod yn glir ar y dechrau nad ydw i'n meddwl bod yna unrhyw wahaniaeth barn wedi'i fynegi yn y Siambr hon, ac yn sicr ni fyddaf yn mynegi unrhyw wahaniaeth barn o ran yr hyn sydd wedi'i nodi. Dwi'n rhannu'r pryderon sydd wedi'u mynegi. Dwi wedi gwneud hynny'n glir dro ar ôl tro. Ond os ydym ni'n edrych ar eiriad y cynnig gan Reform, dyna lle mae'r anghytundeb: Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd, and let me also thank everyone who has taken part in the debate this afternoon. I want to be clear at the outset that I don't think that any difference of opinion has been expressed in this Chamber, and certainly I won't be expressing any difference of opinion in terms of what has been noted. I share the concerns that have been expressed. I have made that clear time and again. But if we look at the wording of the motion from Reform, that's where the disagreement lies: 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776978 287 En 2026-10-07T16:32:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13121&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13121&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Fychan, Heledd 'to ensure the Welsh Rugby Union protects the future of Wales’s four rugby regions.' 'i sicrhau bod Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn diogelu dyfodol pedwar rhanbarth rygbi Cymru.' 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776979 288 Cy 2026-10-07T16:32:50 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13127&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13127&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Fychan, Heledd Mae'n galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i wneud hynny. Fedraf i ddim rhoi'r sicrhad hwnnw. Dyna rydych chi'n gofyn imi ei wneud: fy mod i'n rhoi'r sicrhad hwnnw. A dyna pam dwi'n credu bod ein gwelliant ni'n adlewyrchu'r hyn rydyn ni wedi'i glywed heddiw, sydd yn creu cytundeb rhyngom ni i gyd. Rydyn ni i gyd eisiau tryloywder. Rydyn ni i gyd yn mynnu tryloywder. Rydyn ni hefyd, yn iawn, yn craffu ar y penderfyniadau hyn, ond byddwch chi'n ymwybodol hefyd mai fi sydd yma fel Gweinidog a bod nifer o'r cwestiynau sydd wedi codi heddiw yn gwestiynau i Undeb Rygbi Cymru. Yn sicr, mae hi'n iawn bod pawb o bob plaid yn gofyn y cwestiynau hyn, ac mi hoffwn i ei gwneud hi'n glir hefyd fy mod i'n meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig bod Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn gwrando ar y ddadl hon heddiw ac yn ymateb i'r pryderon hynny. Fel rydyn ni eisoes wedi clywed, mae rygbi yn bwysig iawn i gymunedau ledled Cymru. Mae amryw ohonoch chi wedi sôn ei fod o'n rhan o hunaniaeth cynifer o bobl—eu bod nhw'n rhan o glwb, yn gwirfoddoli, yn chwarae neu'n cefnogi ym mhob cornel o'n gwlad ni. Mae nifer ohonoch chi wedi sôn yn iawn hefyd ei fod o'n rhan o'n hunaniaeth ni fel cenedl. Mae cryfder y teimladau a'r pryderon gwirioneddol am hyn yn glir, a dwi'n eu cydnabod nhw oll. Mae'r newidiadau hyn yn mynd i olygu, os byddan nhw yn dod i rym, fod yna effaith yn gymdeithasol, yn ieithyddol ac yn economaidd. A dyna pam yr ydw i fel Gweinidog wedi herio Undeb Rygbi Cymru i ddangos bod eu penderfyniadau yn dryloyw, eu bod nhw yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth ac yn gynaliadwy, a bod effaith unrhyw newidiadau ar chwaraewyr, cefnogwyr, staff, cymunedau a'r gêm ehangach wedi'u hystyried yn llawn, a hynny, fel mae nifer wedi gofyn yma, cyn i unrhyw benderfyniad pellach gael ei wneud—nid wedi, ond cyn. Ond fedrwn ni fel Llywodraeth ddim cyfarwyddo Undeb Rygbi Cymru i gadw strwythur penodol ar gyfer y gêm broffesiynol.  It calls on the Welsh Government to do that. I can't give that assurance. That's what you're asking me to do: that I can give that assurance. And that's why I think that our amendment does reflect what we have heard today, which does create agreement between us all. We all want transparency. We're all insisting on transparency. We are also scrutinising, correctly, these decisions. But you'll also be aware that I'm here as a Minister and that many of the questions that have been raised today are questions for the WRU. Certainly, it is right that everyone from all parties does ask those questions, and I'd like to make it clear as well that I think it is important that the WRU listens to this debate today and responds to those concerns. As we've already heard today, rugby is very important to communities throughout Wales. Many of you have mentioned that it is part of the identity of so many people—whether they're members of club, volunteers, players or supporters in every corner of our country. Many of you have also mentioned that it's part of our identity as a nation. The strength of feeling and the genuine concerns about this are clear, and I do recognise all of them. These changes are going to mean, if they come to fruition, that there would be a social, linguistic and economic impact. And that's why, as a Minister, I have challenged the WRU to show that the decisions are transparent, that they are evidence based and sustainable, and that the impact of any changes on players, fans, staff, communities and the wider game have been fully considered, as many have suggested, before any decision is made—not afterwards, but before. But we can't, as a Government, direct the WRU to maintain a specific structure for the professional game.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776886 289 Cy 2026-10-07T16:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13257&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13257&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Fychan, Heledd Dwi wedi clywed nifer ohonoch chi'n dweud nad ydych chi eisiau i mi fod yn gyfrifol am bigo'r tîm, a dwi'n falch nad yw'r cyfrifoldeb hwnnw gen i. Yn sicr, dwi ddim yn arbenigwraig. Ond does gen i ddim ychwaith y grym i gyfarwyddo. Mae Undeb Rygbi Cymru yn gorff llywodraethu annibynnol sy'n atebol drwy ei drefniadau cyfansoddiadol ei hun, ac Undeb Rygbi Cymru sy'n gyfrifol am weinyddu rygbi yng Nghymru. Mae ei annibyniaeth hefyd yn cael ei gydnabod o fewn y fframwaith rhyngwladol a sefydlwyd gan World Rugby. Mae'r annibyniaeth hon yn bwysig, ac mae'n bwysig i'w chydnabod. Byddai cyfarwyddyd gwleidyddol dros benderfyniadau yn ymwneud â chwaraeon yn codi cwestiynau cyfreithiol a llywodraethiant difrifol, ac yn bygwth tanseilio'r annibyniaeth y mae chwaraeon rhyngwladol yn dibynnu arni.  Mae'r ymrwymiad a geisir gan y cynnig hwn, felly, yn un na all Llywodraeth Cymru ei sicrhau. Dyna pam, felly, o ran y gwelliant, rydw i wedi cyfleu'r farn y dylai unrhyw newid sylweddol fel hyn gael ei gefnogi gan achos clir, hirdymor, yn hytrach nag ymateb tymor byr i'r heriau presennol. Rydym yn disgwyl i Undeb Rygbi Cymru egluro sut y byddai unrhyw newid yn cefnogi dyfodol y gêm yng Nghymru, a sut y byddai cynnydd yn cael ei fesur hefyd. Mae'n rhaid i'r undeb ymgysylltu'n ystyrlon â'r rhai y mae eu cynlluniau arfaethedig yn effeithio arnyn nhw, gan ymgynghori'n llawn ac esbonio'r dystiolaeth y tu ôl i'w cynlluniau, a bod yn glir ynghylch sut y bydd y risgiau'n cael eu rheoli. Mae cefnogwyr a chymunedau yn haeddu mwy na sicrwydd drwy eiriau yn unig. Mi ydych yn iawn—mae nifer ohonoch chi wedi sôn bod angen tryloywder am yr opsiynau sydd dan ystyriaeth, ein bod ni angen gwybod y sail ar gyfer unrhyw benderfyniadau a sut y bydd dyfodol hirdymor y gêm broffesiynol a chymunedol yn cael ei ddiogelu. Fel dwi wedi'i ddweud a'i rannu yn y sesiwn gwestiynau flaenorol, mi wnes i gyfarfod â'r undeb ym mis Awst, a defnyddio'r cyfle hwnnw i gyfleu'n uniongyrchol iddynt rai o'r pryderon a godwyd gyda mi drwy ohebiaeth. Yn ychwanegol at hynny, yn dilyn trafodaethau yn y pwyllgor diwylliant a chwaraeon, yr holl gwestiynau a godwyd yn y Siambr hon fis diwethaf, a'r ystod o ohebiaeth sydd wedi fy nghyrraedd gan Aelodau o'r Senedd ar ran eich etholwyr, mi wnes i ysgrifennu at yr undeb yn gofyn am ragor o wybodaeth am eu hymgysylltiad â chefnogwyr a chymunedau, am y dystiolaeth sy'n llywio eu dull gweithredu, a sut y bydd yr undeb yn asesu a chyfathrebu goblygiadau penderfyniadau sy'n effeithio ar y gêm ranbarthol. Dwi dal yn disgwyl ymateb i'r llythyr hwnnw, ac, wrth gwrs, mi fyddaf yn diweddaru'r Senedd unwaith rwyf wedi derbyn unrhyw wybodaeth bellach. Mae angen i ni fod yn glir, felly, nad rôl Llywodraeth Cymru ydy rhedeg rygbi Cymru o ddydd i ddydd, ond dwi eisiau rhoi'r sicrwydd hwn: dydy hyn ddim yn golygu nad ydyn ni'n barod i godi llais, herio a chraffu. Mi fyddwn ni'n parhau i gefnogi cyfranogiad, buddsoddi mewn cyfleusterau a gweithio gyda phartneriaid i gryfhau'r gêm ar bob lefel. O ran y ffigur a nodwyd gan rai, o ran y £434,945 yn 2025-26 a ddarparwyd gan Chwaraeon Cymru, mi oedd hyn, i fod yn glir, i gefnogi datblygiad y gêm ar lawr gwlad. I ni roi hyn mewn cyd-destun, mae hyn yn cynrychioli 0.4 y cant o gyfanswm trosiant Undeb Rygbi Cymru, felly o ran datblygiad y gêm ar lawr gwlad oedd hwnnw. Mae yna sôn hefyd wedi'i wneud ynglŷn â buddsoddiad a wnaed yn ystod COVID. Mi oedd hynny ynglŷn â grant drwy'r gronfa diogelu chwaraeon gwylwyr. Mi gyfeiriwyd hefyd at y benthyciad masnachol o £18 miliwn a gafodd ei ad-dalu'n llawn yn 2025. Felly, dydy Llywodraeth Cymru na Chwaraeon Cymru ddim yn darparu cyllid ar gyfer y gêm broffesiynol. Heddiw, mi ydych chi, fel Aelodau, wedi mynegi ar draws y Siambr hon eich pryderon ac wedi cynnig datrysiadau amrywiol, ond yr un peth dwi'n meddwl sydd yn glir rhyngom ni oll ydy bod yna dir cyffredin a'n bod ni eisiau gweld dyfodol llewyrchus i'r gêm yma yng Nghymru, a'n bod ni'n cydnabod y pryderon gwirioneddol sydd yna. Mae hynny'n gofyn am arweinyddiaeth, ymddiriedaeth a gweledigaeth glir gan yr undeb. Mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw drin cefnogwyr fel partneriaid yn y sgwrs honno, nid dim ond eu hysbysu ar ôl i benderfyniadau gael eu gwneud.  Mae teyrngarwch cefnogwyr wedi cynnal y gêm drwy'r amseroedd da a'r cyfnodau anodd, a dylai eu lleisiau nhw fod yn ganolog i helpu i lunio ei dyfodol. Felly, tra ein bod ni'n cydymdeimlo ag ysbryd y cynnig, ni allwn gefnogi cynnig sy'n gofyn i Lywodraeth Cymru warantu canlyniad nad oes ganddi awdurdod cyfreithlon i'w orfodi. Ond nid yw gwrthod y cynnig hwnnw yr un peth â pheidio â chydnabod y pryderon y tu ôl iddo; mae'r pryderon hynny'n real, maen nhw'n haeddu cael eu clywed ac mae'n hollbwysig i'r undeb eu hateb. Am y rhesymau hynny, gofynnaf i'r Aelodau wrthod y cynnig ond cefnogi gwelliannau Llywodraeth Cymru, fel ein bod yn uno yn ein galwadau ar Undeb Rygbi Cymru i ymgynghori'n drylwyr ac yn dryloyw, a gan gymryd lleisiau'r cefnogwyr, y clybiau a'r cymunedau i ystyriaeth wrth iddyn nhw lunio dyfodol y gêm yma yng Nghymru. I've heard many of you saying that you don't want me to be responsible for picking the team, and I'm glad that I don't have that responsibility. I'm not an expert, nor do I have the power to direct. The WRU is an independent governing body accountable through its own constitutional arrangements, and the WRU is responsible for the administration of rugby in Wales. Its independence is also recognised within the international framework established by World Rugby. That independence is important and it's important to recognise it. Issuing political directives on sporting decisions would raise serious legal and governance questions, and would threaten to undermine the independence on which international support depends. The commitment sought by this motion is, therefore, one that the Welsh Government cannot provide. That's why, turning to the amendment, I've expressed a view that any significant change like this should be supported by a clear, long-term case, rather than a short-term response to the current challenges. We expect the WRU to explain how any change would support the future of the game in Wales and how progress would be measured. The union must engage meaningfully with those whom the proposed plans will affect by conducting a full consultation and by explaining the evidence underpinning their plans, and they must be clear about how risks will be managed. Supporters and communities deserve more than warm words alone. You're right—many of you have mentioned that there is a need for transparency about the options under consideration and that we need to know the basis for any decisions, and how the long-term future of the professional and community game will be safeguarded. As I've mentioned and shared in a previous session of questions, I met with the union in August and used that opportunity to convey directly to them some of the concerns raised with me through correspondence. In addition to that, following discussions in the culture and sport committee, and in the questions raised in this Chamber last month, and the range of correspondence that has reached me from Senedd Members on behalf of their constituents, I wrote to the union seeking more information about their engagement with supporters and communities, about the evidence guiding their approach, and how the union will assess and communicate the implications of decisions that are affecting the regional game. I'm still expecting a response to that letter, and, of course, I will update the Senedd once I've received any further information. We need to be clear, therefore, that it's not the Welsh Government's role to run Welsh rugby from day to day, but I also want to give the assurance that this doesn't mean that we're not willing to scrutinise. We will continue to support participation, invest in facilities and work with partners to strengthen the game at every level. On the figure that was identified by some, in terms of £434,945 in 2025-26, which was provided by Sport Wales, this was, to be clear, to support the development of the game at grass-roots level. To put this in context, this represents 0.4 per cent of the total turnover of the WRU. So, that was for the development of the game at grass-roots level. There's also been mention made of investment during COVID, and that was about a grant through the spectator sports survival fund. Reference was also made to the commercial loan of £18 million, which was fully repaid in 2025. So, the Welsh Government and Sport Wales do not provide funding for the professional game. Today, as Members, you have expressed across the Chamber your concerns and you've offered a variety of solutions, but the one thing that is very clear between us all is that we have common ground, that we want to see a prosperous future for the game here in Wales and that we do recognise the genuine concerns that exist. That requires leadership, trust and a clear vision by the union. They have to treat supporters as partners in that conversation, not just informing them after a decision is made. The loyalty of supporters has sustained the game through good and bad periods, and those voices should be central to shaping the future. So, while we sympathise with the spirit of the motion, we can't support a motion that asks the Welsh Government to guarantee an outcome that it doesn't have legal authority to enforce. But rejecting that motion is not the same thing as not recognising the concerns behind it; those concerns are real and they deserve to be heard, and it's vital for the union to respond to them. For those reasons, I ask Members to reject the motion but to support the Welsh Government amendments, so that we are united in our calls on the Welsh Rugby Union to consult transparently and to consider the voices of communities, clubs and supporters in shaping the future of the game in Wales. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776884 290 Cy 2026-10-07T16:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13557&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13557&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776891 291 Cy 2026-10-07T16:40:43 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13600&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13600&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf ar Llŷr Powell i ymateb i'r ddadl. I call on Llŷr Powell to reply to the debate. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776893 292 En 2026-10-07T16:40:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13604&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13604&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Diolch, Deputy Llywydd. I want to thank all Members who've contributed to what is an important debate. As Members have said in this Chamber, rugby is a lot more. I know that the Minister, in her response, said that she doesn't want to dictate sport, but the Welsh Government, in the past, has stepped in when employment is at risk. As well as clubs that are supported, these regions are employers. Right now for the Welsh economy, the four regions are estimated to contribute between £50 million and £55 million. That is a lot of money. When you say in your motion today that we need to speak with the WRU and give them more time and the rest of it, I think time is running out, Minister. December is coming quickly, and those employees need assurances about whether they'll have a job in the future. So, I'm unafraid today to vote for our motion that's trying to get clarity for people's livelihoods, and I'll never apologise for that. I think the Government has got a role to step in and get involved— Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Hoffwn ddiolch i'r holl Aelodau sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl bwysig hon. Fel y dywedodd yr Aelodau yn y Siambr hon, mae rygbi'n llawer mwy. Rwy'n gwybod bod y Gweinidog, yn ei hymateb, wedi dweud nad yw hi eisiau rhoi gorchmynion i'r byd chwaraeon, ond mae Llywodraeth Cymru, yn y gorffennol, wedi camu i mewn pan fo cyflogaeth mewn perygl. Yn ogystal â chefnogi clybiau, mae'r rhanbarthau hyn yn gyflogwyr. Ar hyn o bryd, amcangyfrifir bod y pedwar rhanbarth yn cyfrannu rhwng £50 miliwn a £55 miliwn i rygbi Cymru. Mae hynny'n llawer o arian. Pan ddywedwch yn eich cynnig heddiw fod angen inni siarad ag URC a rhoi mwy o amser iddynt a'r gweddill i gyd, rwy'n credu bod amser yn brin, Weinidog. Mae mis Rhagfyr yn dod yn gyflym, ac mae angen sicrwydd ar y gweithwyr hynny y bydd ganddynt swydd yn y dyfodol. Felly, nid wyf yn ofni pleidleisio dros ein cynnig heddiw sy'n ceisio eglurder ar fywoliaeth pobl, ac ni fyddaf byth yn ymddiheuro am hynny. Rwy'n credu bod gan y Llywodraeth rôl i gamu i mewn a chymryd rhan— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777027 293 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Daeth y Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) i’r Gadair. The Llywydd (Huw Irranca-Davies) took the Chair. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776894 294 Cy 2026-10-07T16:41:45 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13662&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13662&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Fychan, Heledd Gaf i ofyn ar ba sail gyfreithiol ydych chi'n meddwl fy mod i'n gallu gorfodi Undeb Rygbi Cymru i wneud yr hyn rydych chi'n ei ofyn? Dwi'n credu bod y gwelliant yn cynnig popeth rydych chi newydd ei amlinellu. Onid ydy o'n amser i ni uno, yn drawsbleidiol, i sicrhau ein bod ni'n cael yr hyn rydyn ni i gyd yn ei ddeisyfu? Mae'n rhaid ichi adnabod nad oes gen i'r grym cyfreithiol rydych chi newydd ddweud eich bod chi'n credu sydd gen i. Can I ask on what legal basis you think I can force the WRU to do what you're asking? I think the amendment offers everything that you have just outlined. Isn't it time for us now to unite, on a cross-party basis, to ensure that we all get what we want? You have to acknowledge that I don't have the legal power that you have just said that you believe I have. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776895 295 En 2026-10-07T16:42:10 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13687&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13687&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr I think, Minister, the role we have to play is the same as when Tata was going under. We stepped in to protect jobs. We saw the Welsh Government bringing them to the table, taking action. That's what I want to see from the Welsh Government. Time and time again, when my colleagues have asked questions in this Chamber around what was going on here with the WRU, they did not get a satisfying response. I asked at the end of last term for a statement from you, as the Minister for sport, on the WRU, and we didn't get one. Our constituents are concerned right now about the future of sport, and we have been forced to bring this debate here today to try to get answers for our constituents. There is a transparency question. That is the concern here. I think we could have worked together. I think we should press pause on the WRU's plans until they can come forward and tell us what the numbers really are. How did they come to this conclusion? What are they trying to hide? I think protecting four regions until we know those answers is vital, and that's why we are saying we need to send a clear signal. The First Minister, the Prif Weinidog, stood in this Chamber leading a Government debate not long ago, in which he spoke about the power of this Chamber, in a motion that the Welsh Government didn't control, on fair funding, calling for fair funding—a motion similar to ours today—and said that this place can send a clear signal. He said the power of all of us in this room working together and voting together can send a clear example. We could have sent to the WRU today a clear message that this is unacceptable, that players deserve better, fans deserve better, taxpayers deserve better, like the local authorities that could be on the hook for these stadiums. Back in February, the Deputy First Minister said to this Chamber, to the last Labour Government, 'You simply can't wash your hands of this'. That was, now, a Plaid Minister who said those words—that Government can't wash their hands of this. What did she expect that Government to do? There's the question now: what did she expect? Nothing. She said it on the record that she expected action because she believed that this Chamber and this Government can have a strong voice. That's what we're doing. In the election campaign, in The Pembrokeshire Herald, I'm sure you all would have read: 'Plaid Cymru Senedd election candidates emphasize call for Scarlets’ survival'. Plaid Cymru put a press release out during the election saying that they wanted to save the Scarlets. And today, they're saying that their Government can't get involved. [Interruption.] You just stood up and said, 'What do you expect me to do?' Minister. That is what you said. And your party put a press release out saying that you could get involved. That is unacceptable. There is a standard here in which we tell the electorate things and we should honour them—[Interruption.] Minister, every time now. Come on, you've just had eight minutes to speak and two interventions. I'm trying to address the point you were raising, Minister. I'm pointing out that your party called for these actions.  Rwy'n credu, Weinidog, fod y rôl y mae'n rhaid inni ei chwarae yr un fath â phan oedd Tata'n methu. Fe wnaethom gamu i mewn i ddiogelu swyddi. Gwelsom Lywodraeth Cymru yn dod â nhw at y bwrdd, yn gweithredu. Dyna beth yr hoffwn ei weld gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Dro ar ôl tro, pan fo fy nghyd-Aelodau wedi gofyn cwestiynau yn y Siambr hon ynglŷn â'r hyn oedd yn digwydd yma gydag URC, ni chawsant ymateb boddhaol. Gofynnais ar ddiwedd y tymor diwethaf am ddatganiad gennych chi, fel y Gweinidog dros chwaraeon, ar URC, ac ni chawsom un. Mae ein hetholwyr yn pryderu nawr am ddyfodol chwaraeon, a chawsom ein gorfodi i ddod â'r ddadl hon yma heddiw i geisio cael atebion i'n hetholwyr. Mae'n fater o dryloywder. Dyna'r pryder yma. Rwy'n credu y gallem fod wedi gweithio gyda'n gilydd. Rwy'n credu y dylem bwyso am oedi cynlluniau URC hyd nes y gallant ddweud wrthym beth yw'r ffigurau mewn gwirionedd. Sut y gwnaethant ddod i'r casgliad hwn? Beth y maent yn ceisio ei guddio? Rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n hanfodol diogelu pedwar rhanbarth hyd nes ein bod yn gwybod yr atebion hynny, a dyna pam ein bod ni'n dweud bod angen inni anfon neges glir. Cododd y Prif Weinidog yn y Siambr hon i arwain dadl gan y Llywodraeth beth amser yn ôl, lle siaradodd am bŵer y Siambr hon, mewn cynnig nad oedd Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei reoli, ar gyllid teg, yn galw am gyllid teg—cynnig tebyg i'n cynnig ni heddiw—a dywedodd y gall y lle hwn anfon neges glir. Dywedodd y gall pŵer pob un ohonom yn yr ystafell hon yn gweithio gyda'n gilydd ac yn pleidleisio gyda'n gilydd anfon esiampl glir. Gallem fod wedi anfon neges glir at URC heddiw fod hyn yn annerbyniol, fod chwaraewyr yn haeddu gwell, cefnogwyr yn haeddu gwell, trethdalwyr yn haeddu gwell, fel yr awdurdodau lleol y gallai fod arian yn ddyledus iddynt am y stadiymau hyn. Yn ôl ym mis Chwefror, dywedodd y Dirprwy Brif Weinidog wrth y Siambr, wrth y Llywodraeth Lafur ddiwethaf, 'Ni allwch olchi eich dwylo o hyn'. Gweinidog Plaid Cymru bellach a ddywedodd y geiriau hynny—na all y Llywodraeth olchi eu dwylo o hyn. Beth oedd hi'n disgwyl i'r Llywodraeth ei wneud? Dyna'r cwestiwn nawr: beth oedd hi'n ei ddisgwyl? Dim byd. Fe'i cofnodwyd yn dweud ei bod hi'n disgwyl gweld gweithredu'n digwydd oherwydd ei bod yn credu y gall y Siambr hon a'r Llywodraeth hon gael llais cryf. Dyna rydym ni'n ei wneud. Yn yr ymgyrch etholiadol, yn The Pembrokeshire Herald, rwy'n siŵr y byddwch chi i gyd wedi darllen: 'Mae ymgeiswyr Plaid Cymru yn etholiad y Senedd yn pwysleisio'r alwad i gadw'r Scarlets'. Cyhoeddodd Plaid Cymru ddatganiad i'r wasg yn ystod yr etholiad yn dweud eu bod am achub y Scarlets. A heddiw, maent yn dweud na all eu Llywodraeth fod yn rhan o'r peth. [Torri ar draws.] Fe wnaethoch chi godi a dweud, 'Beth ydych chi'n disgwyl i mi ei wneud?', Weinidog. Dyna a ddywedoch chi. Ac fe wnaeth eich plaid ryddhau datganiad i'r wasg yn dweud y gallech chi fod yn rhan o'r peth. Mae hynny'n annerbyniol. Mae safon yma lle rydym yn dweud pethau wrth yr etholwyr a dylem eu hanrhydeddu—[Torri ar draws.] Weinidog, bob tro nawr. Dewch, rydych chi newydd gael wyth munud i siarad a dau ymyriad. Rwy'n ceisio mynd i'r afael â'r pwynt roeddech chi'n ei godi, Weinidog. Rwy'n nodi bod eich plaid wedi galw am y camau hyn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776889 296 En 2026-10-07T16:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13857&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776890 297 En 2026-10-07T16:45:09 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13866&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13866&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 426 426 Heledd Fychan AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=426 Fychan, Heledd You're misrepresenting that. Rydych chi'n camgynrychioli hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776892 298 En 2026-10-07T16:45:11 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=13868&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=13868&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr How? That is the headline under which the party put out a press release there, and today you're saying you can't do anything about it. I think that is an integrity issue right there, absolutely. Rugby is so much more important, and the WRU have hidden at every opportunity. They've invited Members in this place for a briefing. The briefing wasn't clear and transparent—I sat in it. I've spoken to council leaders that have real concerns about what they could end up with—[Interruption.]—serious money that's going to—. No, Minister, it's not clickbait. When it's real jobs on the line, you'd think you'd actually listen to that. When we see talent leaving Wales now to go and play in English leagues because of the uncertainty here, I think the Government should be listening. That is a concern. Think of the jobs. Think of what we're sending—. The young people that have aspired to play rugby in Wales, looked up at their heroes, and that jersey will no longer exist if the WRU have their way. Heritage gone. I refuse to stand by and tell my constituents I was not willing to vote for this motion today. I will not tell constituents who have e-mailed telling me about the uncertainty of rugby—I won't be saying, 'I did nothing, I said we were going to let the WRU carry on.' I think we should send a clear signal to them. To get to the point, the economy relies heavily on these. We've heard from Members like Steven talking about the pub industries. We've heard Carmelo talking about Llanelli in particular. Our economy is struggling in these areas. What the Scarlets and the Ospreys represent, especially the Scarlets in particular, in west Wales, an area that doesn't have a lot of sporting events sent over—. Here in Cardiff, we're quite blessed that there are a lot. We're seeing growing football and rugby in Newport. But in west Wales, it's not so much. The outreach programmes that the Scarlets are a part of down there help get young people off the streets, get them out from in front of a computer screen. They're a part of the preventative health scheme that we hear this Government talk so much about. But, actually, via this motion here, we could be taking people off the front line that are delivering these services for young people. That's a concern, the wider impact. Rugby isn't just a sport. Rugby can be a family when you're stood on a terrace, even with opposition fans. It's good for people's mental health. It's a good way of getting out of the house, getting out of the office. For those fans who are e-mailing us on a regular basis, it's a sign of desperation that their lifeline, as they feel, is going away. Their identity could be stripped off them. Why? Because someone called the WRU, the worst-run union right now, won't tell them why their club could be stripped from them, that a competition, a fight between the west must take place. It's unacceptable. You can't treat livelihoods, identities like this. We've heard from Steve of the Celtic Warriors, when we were promised by the WRU, then, no more restructure, this is it. We've seen the damage it did to Pontypridd and Bridgend, two strong, proud rugby communities no longer there. Are we really prepared to say— Sut? Dyna'r pennawd y mae'r blaid wedi cyhoeddi datganiad i'r wasg oddi tano, a heddiw rydych chi'n dweud na allwch chi wneud unrhyw beth am y peth. Rwy'n credu bod cwestiwn ynghylch uniondeb yno, yn bendant. Mae rygbi gymaint yn bwysicach, ac mae URC wedi cuddio ar bob cyfle. Maent wedi gwahodd Aelodau yn y lle hwn i gyfarfod briffio. Nid oedd y briff yn glir ac yn dryloyw—fe'i mynychais. Rwyf wedi siarad ag arweinwyr cyngor sydd â phryderon gwirioneddol am yr hyn y gallent orfod ei wynebu yn y pen draw—[Torri ar draws.] —arian difrifol sy'n mynd i—. Na, Weinidog, nid abwyd clicio mohono. Pan fo swyddi go iawn yn y fantol, fe fyddech chi'n meddwl y byddech chi'n gwrando ar hynny. Pan welwn dalent yn gadael Cymru nawr i fynd i chwarae yng nghynghreiriau Lloegr oherwydd yr ansicrwydd yma, rwy'n credu y dylai'r Llywodraeth wrando. Mae hynny'n bryder. Meddyliwch am y swyddi. Meddyliwch am yr hyn rydym yn ei anfon—. Y bobl ifanc sydd wedi dyheu am chwarae rygbi yng Nghymru, wedi edrych i fyny ar eu harwyr, ac ni fydd y crys hwnnw'n bodoli mwyach os bydd URC yn cael eu ffordd. Bydd y dreftadaeth honno wedi mynd. Rwy'n gwrthod camu i'r naill ochr a dweud wrth fy etholwyr nad oeddwn yn fodlon pleidleisio dros y cynnig hwn heddiw. Nid wyf am ddweud wrth etholwyr sydd wedi e-bostio i ddweud wrthyf am ansicrwydd rygbi—ni fyddaf yn dweud, 'Ni wneuthum unrhyw beth, dywedais y byddem yn gadael i URC barhau.' Rwy'n credu y dylem anfon neges glir iddynt. I wneud y pwynt, mae'r economi'n dibynnu'n helaeth ar y rhain. Clywsom gan Aelodau fel Steven yn siarad am ddiwydiannau tafarndai. Clywsom Carmelo yn siarad am Lanelli yn enwedig. Mae ein heconomi yn ei chael hi'n anodd yn yr ardaloedd hyn. Yr hyn y mae'r Scarlets a'r Gweilch yn ei gynrychioli, yn enwedig y Scarlets yng ngorllewin Cymru, ardal sydd heb lawer o ddigwyddiadau chwaraeon—. Yma yng Nghaerdydd, mae'n fendith fod yna lawer. Rydym yn gweld pêl-droed a rygbi'n tyfu yng Nghasnewydd. Ond nid cymaint yng ngorllewin Cymru. Mae'r rhaglenni allgymorth y mae'r Scarlets yn rhan ohonynt yn helpu i gael pobl ifanc oddi ar y strydoedd, yn eu cael i ffwrdd oddi wrth sgrin cyfrifiadur. Maent yn rhan o'r cynllun iechyd ataliol y clywn y Llywodraeth hon yn siarad cymaint amdano. Ond mewn gwirionedd, trwy'r cynnig hwn gan URC, gallem fod yn tynnu pobl oddi ar y rheng flaen sy'n darparu'r gwasanaethau hyn i bobl ifanc. Mae hynny'n bryder, yr effaith ehangach. Nid camp yn unig yw rygbi. Gall rygbi fod yn deulu pan fyddwch chi'n sefyll ar deras, hyd yn oed gyda chefnogwyr y gwrthwynebwyr. Mae'n dda i iechyd meddwl pobl. Mae'n ffordd dda o fynd allan o'r tŷ, mynd allan o'r swyddfa. I'r cefnogwyr sy'n anfon e-byst atom yn rheolaidd, mae'n arwydd o anobaith fod eu rhaff achub, fel y maent yn ei theimlo, yn diflannu. Gallent golli eu hunaniaeth. Pam? Am na wnaiff rhywun o'r enw URC, yr undeb sy'n cael ei redeg waethaf ar hyn o bryd, ddweud wrthynt pam y gallent golli eu clwb, fod rhaid i gystadleuaeth ddigwydd, brwydr rhwng timau'r gorllewin. Mae'n annerbyniol. Ni allwch drin bywoliaeth pobl, hunaniaeth pobl fel hyn. Clywsom gan Steve am y Rhyfelwyr Celtaidd, pan gawsom addewid gan URC, yna, dim mwy o ailstrwythuro, dyma ni. Gwelsom y niwed a wnaeth i Bontypridd a Phen-y-bont ar Ogwr, dwy gymuned rygbi gref a balch nad ydynt yno mwyach. A ydym ni wir yn barod i ddweud— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776902 299 En 2026-10-07T16:48:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14064&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14064&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12149 12149 Lis McLean AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 McLean, Lis Could I make an intervention now? A gaf i wneud ymyriad nawr? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776907 300 En 2026-10-07T16:48:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14065&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14065&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Yes, you can, by all means. Cewch, ar bob cyfrif. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776909 301 En 2026-10-07T16:48:30 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14067&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14067&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12149 12149 Lis McLean AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 McLean, Lis It's all very well, and what you're saying is completely—. We understand that. Everybody agrees with a lot of what you're saying, and you know that. Most of the country would agree with it. But the fact is, we are not in a position to be able to tell them to do that. What you're asking for is not what's within our remit. This is not what we can do. But what the amendment is saying is exactly what we can do, and all those things are included in that amendment. That emotion that you're putting behind it is behind that amendment too. Mae'r hyn rydych chi'n ei ddweud yn hollol—. Rydym yn deall hynny. Mae pawb yn cytuno â llawer o'r hyn rydych chi'n ei ddweud, ac rydych chi'n gwybod hynny. Byddai'r rhan fwyaf o'r wlad yn cytuno. Ond y gwir amdani yw nad ydym mewn sefyllfa i allu dweud wrthynt wneud hynny. Nid yw'r hyn rydych chi'n gofyn amdano o fewn ein cylch gorchwyl. Ni allwn ei wneud. Ond yr hyn y mae'r gwelliant yn ei ddweud yw'n union beth y gallwn ni ei wneud, ac mae'r holl bethau hynny wedi'u cynnwys yn y gwelliant. Yr un emosiwn sy'n sail i'r gwelliant hwnnw hefyd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776910 302 En 2026-10-07T16:49:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14099&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14099&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Well, no, the amendment there right now is saying that WRU have actually consulted people on the outside and they continue doing so. I've spoken to stakeholders in this. They haven't felt consulted. We're hearing from people in the industry that are saying they are— Wel, na, mae'r gwelliant yno nawr yn dweud bod URC wedi ymgynghori â phobl ar y tu allan a'u bod yn parhau i wneud hynny. Rwyf wedi siarad â rhanddeiliaid ar hyn. Nid ydynt yn teimlo bod neb wedi ymgynghori â nhw. Rydym yn clywed gan bobl yn y diwydiant sy'n dweud eu bod— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776911 303 En 2026-10-07T16:49:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14114&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14114&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 12149 12149 Lis McLean AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12149 McLean, Lis [Inaudible.]—going to be an intervention, sorry. Actually, WRU have been scrutinised to a large extent. They're coming before the committee again. So, we are doing what's right for our country, for rugby in our country. What you're trying to do is point score here, to try and get some sort of feeling of, 'We love rugby. We are the only people—.' Well, actually, we all love rugby— [Anghlywadwy.]—mynd i fod yn ymyriad, mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Mewn gwirionedd, mae URC wedi cael eu craffu i raddau helaeth. Maent yn dod gerbron y pwyllgor eto. Felly, rydym yn gwneud yr hyn sy'n iawn i'n gwlad, i rygbi yn ein gwlad. Yr hyn rydych chi'n ceisio ei wneud yw sgorio pwyntiau yma, i geisio cael rhyw fath o deimlad o, 'Rydym ni'n caru rygbi. Ni yw'r unig bobl—.' Wel, rydym i gyd yn caru rygbi— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776912 304 En 2026-10-07T16:49:42 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14139&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14139&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Is this an intervention or a contribution here, Llywydd? Is this an intervention or a contribution? Because so far, you had an opportunity to speak in this debate, but only one of your Members chose to stand up in the 60-minute debate to contribute. That's the difference there. Now, in terms of what you're saying there, 'This is point scoring.' It's not. You say the WRU have come before the committee. Where are the numbers now? What's the rationale for this? Even the Minister said she's trying to urge them to do it. You say, 'What's the point of this?' Let's send a clear message to them that it's unacceptable, that we're not allowing it to continue. [Interruption.] No, you're having so much time now. If you wanted to speak, you could have put your name forward. [Interruption.] Oh, Llywydd, come on. This is student union style here— Ai ymyriad neu gyfraniad yw hwn, Lywydd? A yw'n ymyriad neu'n gyfraniad? Oherwydd hyd yma, fe gawsoch chi gyfle i siarad yn y ddadl hon, ond dim ond un o'ch Aelodau a ddewisodd godi i gyfrannu yn y ddadl 60 munud. Dyna'r gwahaniaeth. Nawr, o ran yr hyn rydych chi'n ei ddweud, mai sgorio pwyntiau yw hyn. Nid dyna ydyw. Rydych chi'n dweud bod URC wedi bod gerbron y pwyllgor. Ble mae'r ffigurau? Beth yw'r sail resymegol dros hyn? Dywedodd hyd yn oed y Gweinidog ei bod hi'n ceisio eu hannog i'w wneud. Rydych chi'n dweud, 'Beth yw pwynt hyn?' Gadewch inni anfon neges glir atynt ei fod yn annerbyniol, nad ydym yn caniatáu iddo barhau. [Torri ar draws.] Na, rydych chi'n cael cymaint o amser nawr. Os oeddech chi eisiau siarad, gallech fod wedi rhoi eich enw gerbron. [Torri ar draws.] O, Lywydd, dewch. Mae hi fel dadl undeb myfyrwyr yma— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776916 305 En 2026-10-07T16:50:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14157&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14157&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776939 306 En 2026-10-07T16:52:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14294&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14294&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776926 307 En 2026-10-07T16:50:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14181&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14181&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Sorry, the Member—[Interruption.] Yes. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, yr Aelod—[Torri ar draws.] Ie. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776927 308 En 2026-10-07T16:50:27 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14184&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14184&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr [Interruption.] What? But if she wanted to contribute—. You can put your name forward. That's a Parliament. You should know. [Torri ar draws.] Beth? Ond os oedd hi eisiau cyfrannu—. Gallwch roi eich enw gerbron. Dyna yw Senedd. Fe ddylech wybod. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776928 309 En 2026-10-07T16:50:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14192&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14192&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw If we pause just for a moment. The Member is entitled to take interventions if the Member wants, and he has taken some interventions. He's also entitled to continue with his contribution. Llŷr. Os cawn oedi am eiliad. Mae gan yr Aelod hawl i dderbyn ymyriad os yw'r Aelod eisiau gwneud hynny, ac mae wedi derbyn rhai ymyriadau. Mae ganddo hawl hefyd i barhau â'i gyfraniad. Llŷr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776930 310 En 2026-10-07T16:50:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14204&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14204&l=cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 11971 11971 Llŷr Powell AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=11971 Powell, Llyr Thank you, Llywydd. But on the point, right now, out there, what are we sending to the people of Wales that this place does? With an issue where they step forward and tell us they're concerned about something, that we say, 'It's not our responsibility here.' Government should be oversight. We've heard the case. The taxpayers' money is on the line. That's why we must intervene here. Bring them forward. Now, Minister, as I said, I tried to ask you for a statement on this. None was brought forward. We were forced to bring the debate. The December deadline is coming. There isn't assurances with the regions now. So, if you are going to vote for your amendment, and you try to stop ours today, and you're going to say you don't support the four and that you're going to let the WRU continue with its unchecks and balances, we'll be back here when the danger comes if you don't support them now, because we know the WRU will push this through. They have history of doing it, they will do it again. Right now, rugby, regional rugby across Wales, needs us to support it. I hope Members will give them the same support when they need it now as rugby has offered support to so many communities across Wales in the past. I urge Members to support our motion. Diolch, Lywydd. Ond ar y pwynt, yr eiliad hon, allan yno, pa neges rydym ni'n ei hanfon at bobl Cymru ynghylch beth y mae'r lle hwn yn ei wneud? Gyda mater lle maent yn camu ymlaen ac yn dweud wrthym eu bod yn poeni am rywbeth, ein bod ni'n dweud, 'Nid ein cyfrifoldeb ni yma ydyw.' Dylai'r Llywodraeth gynnig trosolwg. Rydym wedi clywed yr achos. Mae arian y trethdalwyr yn y fantol. Dyna pam y mae'n rhaid inni ymyrryd yma. Dewch â nhw. Nawr, Weinidog, fel y dywedais, ceisiais ofyn i chi am ddatganiad ar hyn. Ni chafwyd un. Cawsom ein gorfodi i gyflwyno'r ddadl. Mae dyddiad cau mis Rhagfyr yn dod. Nid oes gan y rhanbarthau sicrwydd nawr. Felly, os ydych chi'n mynd i bleidleisio dros eich gwelliant, a'ch bod chi'n ceisio atal ein cynnig ni heddiw, a'ch bod chi'n mynd i ddweud nad ydych chi'n cefnogi'r pedwar a'ch bod chi'n mynd i adael i URC barhau i weithredu heb ei oruchwylio, byddwn yn ôl yma pan ddaw'r perygl os nad ydych chi'n eu cefnogi nawr, oherwydd fe wyddom y bydd URC yn gwthio hyn drwodd. Mae ganddynt hanes o'i wneud, byddant yn ei wneud eto. Mae rygbi, rygbi rhanbarthol ledled Cymru, angen i ni ei gefnogi nawr. Rwy'n gobeithio y bydd yr Aelodau yn rhoi'r un gefnogaeth iddynt pan fo'i angen arnynt nawr ag y mae rygbi wedi'i gynnig yn gefnogaeth i gymaint o gymunedau ledled Cymru yn y gorffennol. Rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi ein cynnig. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776932 311 Cy 2026-10-07T16:52:01 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14278&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14278&l=en 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes, mae gwrthwynebiad. Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.  The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [Objection.] There are objections. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777026 312 Cy 261007-8 7. Dadl Reform UK: Rygbi rhanbarthol 7. Reform UK Debate: Regional rugby I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776945 313 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Detholwyd y gwelliannau canlynol: gwelliant 1 yn enwau Heledd Fychan a Lynne Neagle, a gwelliant 2 yn enw Paul Davies. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. The following amendments have been selected: amendment 1 in the names of Heledd Fychan and Lynne Neagle, and amendment 2 in the name of Paul Davies. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776946 314 Cy 2026-10-07T16:52:17 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14294&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14294&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Symudwn nawr at eitem 8, dadl Reform UK: mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. Galwaf ar Francesca O'Brien i wneud y cynnig. We will now move to item 8, the Reform UK debate: access to houses in multiple occupation and social housing for foreign nationals. I call on Francesca O'Brien to move the motion. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776947 315 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Cynnig NDM9313 Llŷr Powell Cefnogwyd gan Andrew Griffin, John Clark Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i ailwampio trefniadau trwyddedu tai amlfeddiannaeth a rheolau cymhwysedd tai cymdeithasol i roi terfyn ar allu gwladolion tramor i gael mynediad at Dai Amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol, gan gynnwys gweithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU lle bo angen. Motion NDM9313 Llŷr Powell Supported by Andrew Griffin, John Clark To propose that the Senedd: 1. Calls on the Welsh Government to overhaul houses in multiple occupation licensing and social-housing eligibility rules to end access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals, including working with the UK Government where necessary. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776948 316 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Cynigiwyd y cynnig. Motion moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776950 317 En 2026-10-07T16:52:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14309&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14309&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Diolch, Lywydd. I move the motion tabled in the name of Llŷr Powell. Social housing in Wales is subsidised by public money. It should be reserved for the people of this country, but under this Government, it isn't. Reform UK believes it should be kept for the people of Wales and the United Kingdom. We should be prioritising our own families, our veterans and those who have contributed to our great country. Foreign nationals should not have access to council and social housing, and they should not have access to HMOs that our councils license. If they cannot support themselves, the taxpayer shouldn't be expected to do it for them. We are asking the Welsh Government to change the rules to make that happen and to demand the UK Government acts whenever the law must change in Westminster.  Let me tell Members of this Chamber and the public what is happening right now. From past experience, I know Plaid and Labour don't like the facts that I bring to this Chamber, but Reform UK believes the people have the right to know. Even when you take out student houses entirely, at the last census five years ago, more than one in four of everyone living in shared private rented accommodation were born outside of the United Kingdom. In Flintshire, it was more than half. In Wrexham, more than half. In Newport, almost half. And sadly, these figures will be much worse today, thanks to the Boris wave of record immigration in the last few years, and the Home Office extending asylum dispersal to every local authority in the country. HMOs are now the backbone of our deranged asylum system. In Wales, every placement is run by one private contractor. The company is competing directly with Welsh families for housing. Only the other week, landlords in our constituency in Gower and Swansea reached out to me, stating they were contacted by this very company asking to use their properties to home asylum seekers. It is putting our families out of homes. More than 3,000 asylum seekers are now housed in dispersal accommodation, including HMOs across Wales: more than 1,300 in Cardiff, 600 in Swansea and more than 300 in Newport—in normal residential streets in our communities, on our doorstep. Research into the asylum dispersal across England and Wales found that areas receiving more asylum seekers saw a rise in property crime, theft and burglary. It's true and it's on record. [Interruption.] So, you don't like the facts. [Interruption.] No, it's not. They are the facts. If you don't like the facts, don't listen. The social housing situation, subsidised by taxpayers' money, is just as bad. This summer, my team and I sent freedom of information requests to every council in Wales, asking them how many foreign nationals they house. Let's take Newport, for example. As of this summer, more than one in four people in Newport's temporary accommodation whose nationality was recorded were foreign nationals, and close to 1,000 foreign nationals sit on their housing register. Cardiff is even worse. Of Cardiff's social lettings last year, where nationality was recorded, almost 30 per cent went to foreign nationals: nearly three in 10 new tenancies in our capital city handed to people who were not British citizens. But this is only part of the story because—[Interruption.] Yes. Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n gwneud y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Llŷr Powell. Mae tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru yn gymorthdaledig gan arian cyhoeddus. Dylid eu cadw ar gyfer pobl y wlad hon, ond o dan y Llywodraeth hon, nid yw hynny'n digwydd. Mae Reform UK yn credu y dylid eu cadw ar gyfer pobl Cymru a'r Deyrnas Unedig. Dylem flaenoriaethu ein teuluoedd ein hunain, ein cyn-filwyr a'r rhai sydd wedi cyfrannu at ein gwlad wych. Ni ddylai gwladolion tramor gael mynediad at dai cyngor a thai cymdeithasol, ac ni ddylent gael mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth y mae ein cynghorau'n eu trwyddedu. Os na allant gynnal eu hunain, ni ddylid disgwyl i'r trethdalwr wneud hynny drostynt. Gofynnwn i Lywodraeth Cymru newid y rheolau i wneud i hynny ddigwydd ac i fynnu bod Llywodraeth y DU yn gweithredu pryd bynnag y mae'n rhaid i'r gyfraith newid yn San Steffan. Gadewch imi ddweud wrth Aelodau'r Siambr hon a'r cyhoedd beth sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd. O brofiad y gorffennol, rwy'n gwybod nad yw Plaid Cymru a Llafur yn hoffi'r ffeithiau rwy'n eu dwyn i'r Siambr hon, ond mae Reform UK yn credu bod gan y bobl hawl i wybod. Hyd yn oed pan fyddwch chi'n tynnu tai myfyrwyr allan yn gyfan gwbl, yn y cyfrifiad diwethaf bum mlynedd yn ôl, cafodd mwy nag un o bob pedwar o bawb sy'n byw mewn llety rhent preifat a rennir eu geni y tu allan i'r Deyrnas Unedig. Yn sir y Fflint, roedd yn fwy na hanner. Yn Wrecsam, mwy na hanner. Yng Nghasnewydd, bron i hanner. Ac yn anffodus, bydd y ffigurau hyn yn llawer gwaeth heddiw, diolch i don Boris o lefelau mewnfudo uwch nag erioed yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf, a'r Swyddfa Gartref yn ymestyn gwasgariad ceiswyr lloches i bob awdurdod lleol yn y wlad. Tai amlfeddiannaeth bellach yw asgwrn cefn ein system geiswyr lloches wallgof. Yng Nghymru, caiff pob lleoliad ei redeg gan un contractwr preifat. Mae'r cwmni'n cystadlu'n uniongyrchol â theuluoedd Cymru am dai. Yr wythnos o'r blaen, fe wnaeth landlordiaid yn ein hetholaeth yng Ngŵyr Abertawe estyn allan ataf, gan ddweud bod yr union gwmni hwn wedi cysylltu â nhw i ofyn am gael defnyddio eu heiddo i gartrefu ceiswyr lloches. Mae'n golygu nad oes cartrefi ar gyfer ein teuluoedd ni. Mae mwy na 3,000 o geiswyr lloches bellach mewn llety gwasgaru, gan gynnwys tai amlfeddiannaeth ledled Cymru: mwy na 1,300 yng Nghaerdydd, 600 yn Abertawe a mwy na 300 yng Nghasnewydd—mewn strydoedd preswyl arferol yn ein cymunedau, ar garreg ein drws. Canfu ymchwil i wasgariad ceiswyr lloches ledled Cymru a Lloegr fod ardaloedd sy'n derbyn mwy o geiswyr lloches wedi gweld cynnydd mewn troseddau eiddo, dwyn a byrgleriaeth. Mae'n wir ac mae wedi'i gofnodi. [Torri ar draws.] Felly, nid ydych chi'n hoffi'r ffeithiau. [Torri ar draws.] Na. Dyna yw'r ffeithiau. Os nad ydych chi'n hoffi'r ffeithiau, peidiwch â gwrando. Mae sefyllfa tai cymdeithasol, a gymorthdelir gan arian trethdalwyr, yr un mor wael. Yr haf hwn, anfonodd fy nhîm a minnau geisiadau rhyddid gwybodaeth at bob cyngor yng Nghymru, gan ofyn iddynt faint o ddinasyddion tramor y maent yn darparu cartref ar eu cyfer. Gadewch inni gymryd Casnewydd, er enghraifft. Yr haf hwn, roedd mwy nag un o bob pedwar o bobl mewn llety dros dro yng Nghasnewydd y cofnodwyd eu cenedligrwydd fel dinasyddion tramor, ac mae bron i 1,000 o wladolion tramor ar eu cofrestr dai. Mae Caerdydd hyd yn oed yn waeth. O'r eiddo cymdeithasol a osodwyd yng Nghaerdydd y llynedd, lle cofnodwyd cenedligrwydd, aeth bron i 30 y cant i ddinasyddion tramor: bron i dair o bob deg tenantiaeth newydd yn ein prifddinas wedi'u trosglwyddo i bobl nad oeddent yn ddinasyddion Prydeinig. Ond dim ond rhan o'r stori yw hyn oherwydd—[Torri ar draws.] Iawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776896 318 En 2026-10-07T16:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14457&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14457&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776897 319 En 2026-10-07T16:56:12 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14529&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14529&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane Thank you for taking the intervention and for outlining those two local authorities. There are 21 local authorities in Wales— Diolch am dderbyn yr ymyriad ac am amlinellu'r ddau awdurdod lleol hynny. Mae 21 awdurdod lleol yng Nghymru— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776913 320 En 2026-10-07T16:56:20 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14537&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14537&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Twenty-two. Dau ar hugain. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776914 321 En 2026-10-07T16:56:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14538&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14538&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4983 4983 Jane Dodds AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4983 Dodds, Jane —so could you just tell us what the data is from the others? This Senedd relies on facts and evidence. We had a fantastic debate previously on family drug and alcohol courts, all about the evidence, so please, could you tell us what the evidence is? —felly a allech chi ddweud wrthym beth yw'r data gan y lleill? Mae'r Senedd hon yn dibynnu ar ffeithiau a thystiolaeth. Cawsom ddadl wych yn gynt ar lysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol, y cyfan am y dystiolaeth, felly os gwelwch yn dda, a allech chi ddweud wrthym beth yw'r dystiolaeth? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776898 322 En 2026-10-07T16:56:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14553&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14553&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Really good question, Jane, and you raise a good question, because those questions I've actually asked the 22 local authorities. Some, they don't even hold the data. So, why not? Why not? They don't hold it. If you look at Neath Port Talbot, they outsource their housing register so you can't—. If you were in the debate earlier, or the spokespersons' questions, you'll know I actually mentioned that. They outsource their social housing so they're not subjected to FOIs. [Interruption.] Yes, go on. Cwestiwn da iawn, Jane, ac rydych chi'n gofyn cwestiwn da, oherwydd gofynnais y cwestiynau hynny i'r 22 awdurdod lleol mewn gwirionedd. Nid yw rhai yn cadw'r data hyd yn oed. Felly, pam? Pam nad ydynt yn gwneud hynny? Nid ydynt yn ei gadw. Os edrychwch ar Gastell-nedd Port Talbot, maent yn rhoi eu cofrestr dai ar gontract allanol felly ni allwch—. Os oeddech chi yn y ddadl yn gynharach, neu gwestiynau'r llefarwyr, fe fyddwch chi'n gwybod fy mod wedi sôn am hynny. Maent yn gosod eu tai cymdeithasol ar gontract allanol fel nad ydynt yn destun ceisiadau rhyddid gwybodaeth. [Torri ar draws.] Ie, ewch amdani. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776899 323 En 2026-10-07T16:57:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14581&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14581&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12140 12140 Dafydd Trystan Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12140 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12140 Cabinet Minister for Government Effectiveness and the Constitution Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Effeithiolrwydd Llywodraeth a’r Cyfansoddiad Trystan Davies, Dafydd Could I ask you to clarify, are you talking about nationality as self-recorded or are you talking about citizenship and UK passport holders, because there is a difference between both? A gaf i ofyn i chi egluro, a ydych chi'n sôn am genedligrwydd hunangofnodedig neu a ydych chi'n sôn am ddinasyddiaeth a deiliaid pasbortau'r DU, oherwydd mae gwahaniaeth rhwng y ddau? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776900 324 En 2026-10-07T16:57:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14594&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14594&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca It's the latter. And like I say, 22 councils—they don't have that data, most of them, and this is of what's actually been recorded. And that was my question: why isn't it recorded? Our taxpayers want to know. So, I'll carry on. But this is only part of the story, because many councils refused to answer my request, either on the grounds of cost or because they don't record nationality at all, which I just mentioned. So, many of the areas either can't or won't tell the taxpayer the truth. How did we get here? Allocations in Wales still run on Part VI of the Housing Act 1996. Councils must give reasonable preference to people in housing need. There is nothing in that framework about how long you have lived here, nothing about citizenship. In 2011, England gave its councils the power to decide who qualifies for social housing. Hundreds now apply a residence test in England before anyone joins that list. Wales didn't do the same. Last December, Wales had the chance to fix it. Section 35 of the Homelessness and Social Housing Allocation (Wales) Bill would have given Welsh councils that same power. It was removed by an amendment tabled by the now Minister who's now responsible for housing, who described social housing as a 'universal resource', which should be accessible by everyone. It is not a universal resource. It is a national resource, and it should belong to the people of this nation. So, here is what the Welsh Government must do— Yr ail. Ac fel rwy'n dweud, 22 o gynghorau—nid yw'r data hwnnw ganddynt, y rhan fwyaf ohonynt, a dyma'r hyn sydd wedi'i gofnodi mewn gwirionedd. A dyna oedd fy nghwestiwn: pam nad yw'n cael ei gofnodi? Mae ein trethdalwyr eisiau gwybod. Felly, fe wnaf barhau. Ond rhan o'r stori'n unig yw hyn, oherwydd mae llawer o gynghorau wedi gwrthod ateb fy nghais, naill ai ar sail cost neu am nad ydynt yn cofnodi cenedligrwydd o gwbl. Felly, mae llawer o ardaloedd nad ydynt yn gallu, neu nad ydynt am ddweud y gwir wrth y trethdalwr. Sut y gwnaethom gyrraedd yma? Mae dyraniadau yng Nghymru yn dal i gael eu gweithredu ar Ran VI o Ddeddf Tai 1996. Rhaid i gynghorau roi blaenoriaeth resymol i bobl sydd ag angen o ran tai. Nid oes unrhyw beth yn y fframwaith hwnnw am ba mor hir rydych chi wedi byw yma, dim byd am ddinasyddiaeth. Yn 2011, rhoddodd Lloegr bŵer i'w chynghorau benderfynu pwy sy'n gymwys i gael tai cymdeithasol. Mae cannoedd bellach yn defnyddio prawf preswylio yn Lloegr cyn i unrhyw un fynd ar y rhestr honno. Ni wnaeth Cymru yr un peth. Fis Rhagfyr diwethaf, cafodd Cymru gyfle i ddatrys hyn. Byddai adran 35 o'r Bil Digartrefedd a Dyrannu Tai Cymdeithasol (Cymru) wedi rhoi'r un pŵer i gynghorau Cymru. Cafodd ei ddileu gan welliant a gyflwynwyd gan y Gweinidog sydd bellach yn gyfrifol am dai, a ddisgrifiodd dai cymdeithasol fel 'adnodd cyffredinol', a ddylai fod yn hygyrch i bawb. Nid yw'n adnodd cyffredinol. Mae'n adnodd cenedlaethol, a dylai berthyn i bobl y genedl hon. Felly, dyma beth sy'n rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru ei wneud— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776901 325 En 2026-10-07T16:58:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14692&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14692&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub Will the Member take an intervention? A wnaiff yr Aelod dderbyn ymyriad? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776903 326 En 2026-10-07T16:58:56 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14693&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14693&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Yes, go on. Iawn, ewch amdani. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776904 327 En 2026-10-07T16:58:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14694&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14694&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub As a Reform UK Member, you previously wrote online that, in your words, those on benefits should be put down, so are you saying that those on benefits shouldn't be entitled to housing now as well, or is it just based on skin colour? Fel Aelod o Reform UK, fe wnaethoch chi ysgrifennu ar-lein yn y gorffennol y dylai'r rhai sydd ar fudd-daliadau gael eu 'put down' yn eich geiriau chi, felly a ydych chi'n dweud na ddylai'r rhai sy'n derbyn budd-daliadau fod â hawl i dai nawr hefyd, neu a yw'n seiliedig ar liw croen yn unig? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776905 328 En 2026-10-07T16:59:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14704&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14704&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Perhaps the Member would like to put that into context, actually, and then you can come back to me and we'll have a chat later about that. Efallai yr hoffai'r Aelod roi hynny mewn cyd-destun, ac yna gallwch ddod yn ôl ataf ac fe gawn sgwrs am hynny yn nes ymlaen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776906 329 En 2026-10-07T16:59:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14712&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14712&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub I'm okay. If you can't answer it now, then you can't answer it. [Interruption.] You can't answer it.  Mae'n iawn. Os na allwch ei ateb nawr, yna ni allwch ei ateb. [Torri ar draws.] Ni allwch ei ateb. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776919 330 En 2026-10-07T16:59:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14716&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14716&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca I have answered it, on record, in 2019, so you might want to go back and refer to that post then.  Rwyf wedi ei ateb, mae wedi'i gofnodi, yn 2019, felly efallai yr hoffech chi fynd yn ôl a chyfeirio at y post hwnnw bryd hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777034 331 En 2026-10-07T16:59:23 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14720&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14720&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub You said it. Chi a'i dywedodd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777035 332 En 2026-10-07T16:59:24 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14721&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14721&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca No, I didn't say it. I said put it into— Na, ni wneuthum ei ddweud. Dywedais ei roi mewn— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776934 333 En 2026-10-07T16:59:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14723&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14723&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12141 12141 Zaynub Akbar AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12141 Akbar, Zaynub It's online. You said it. Mae ar-lein. Chi a'i dywedodd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776935 334 En 2026-10-07T16:59:28 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14725&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14725&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Absolutely, it's on record, and if that's the best you can come back with, have a little time to think, and I'll take another intervention. So, first, bring back section 35, legislate to give every Welsh council the power to set qualification rules for its register, and use it to close the register to foreign nationals. Second, amend the allocation of housing and homelessness regulations. Welsh Ministers decide who is eligible. Strip it back to the absolute minimum devolved legislation allows. Third, rewrite the code of guidance and the preference framework so that British citizens with a connection to their communities come first every time. Fourth, houses in multiple occupation. Councils license these properties—wait two ticks, Ken—and Welsh Ministers set the conditions attached to those licences. Every licence holder should be required to verify and record the nationality and immigration status of every occupant, and the use of HMOs across Wales as asylum accommodation must end. Yes, go on. Yn hollol, mae wedi'i gofnodi, ac os mai dyna'r gorau y gallwch chi ddod yn ôl ag ef, cymerwch ychydig o amser i feddwl, ac fe dderbyniaf ymyriad arall. Felly, yn gyntaf, dewch ag adran 35 yn ôl, deddfwch i roi pŵer i bob cyngor yng Nghymru osod rheolau cymhwyso ar gyfer ei gofrestr, a defnyddiwch ef i gau'r gofrestr i wladolion tramor. Yn ail, diwygiwch reoliadau dyrannu tai a digartrefedd. Gweinidogion Cymru sy'n penderfynu pwy sy'n gymwys. Torrwch ef yn ôl i'r isafswm absoliwt y mae deddfwriaeth ddatganoledig yn ei ganiatáu. Yn drydydd, ailysgrifennwch y cod canllawiau a'r fframwaith ffafriaeth fel bod dinasyddion Prydeinig sydd â chysylltiad â'u cymunedau yn dod yn gyntaf bob tro. Yn bedwerydd, tai amlfeddiannaeth. Mae cynghorau'n trwyddedu'r eiddo hyn—arhoswch ddwy eiliad, Ken—ac mae Gweinidogion Cymru'n gosod yr amodau sy'n gysylltiedig â'r trwyddedau hynny. Dylid gofyn i bob deiliad trwydded ddilysu a chofnodi cenedligrwydd a statws mewnfudo pob preswylydd, a rhaid dod â'r defnydd o dai amlfeddiannaeth fel llety i geiswyr lloches i ben ledled Cymru. Iawn, ewch amdani. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776917 335 En 2026-10-07T17:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14757&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14757&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776923 336 En 2026-10-07T17:00:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14793&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14793&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken So, forgive me if I'm wrong, but it appears that you're saying that, if you're not Welsh or English, you shouldn't be entitled to social housing. Would that extend to Gurkhas in the UK? Felly, maddeuwch i mi os wyf i'n anghywir, ond mae'n ymddangos eich bod chi'n dweud, os nad ydych chi'n Gymro neu'n Sais, na ddylech fod â hawl i dai cymdeithasol. A fyddai hynny'n cynnwys Gurkhas yn y DU? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776924 337 En 2026-10-07T17:00:46 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14803&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14803&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca No, if they've got dual nationality—. Na, nid os oes ganddynt genedligrwydd deuol—. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776925 338 En 2026-10-07T17:00:47 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14804&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14804&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 267 267 Ken Skates AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=267 Skates, Ken And would it extend to Suella Braverman? Ac a fyddai'n cynnwys Suella Braverman? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776931 339 En 2026-10-07T17:00:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14808&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14808&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca Well, if you want to—. You talk about political point-scoring. I'll be precise about where this meets the UK law—[Interruption.] No, no. Because that—[Interruption.] Well, you want to political point-score—that's fine, but there we go. Because that is exactly why our motion names the UK Government. Under the Equality Act 2010, nationality is part of the legal framework definition of race. The Act already carries expectations for acts required by immigration law. That is why a landlord in England can lawfully refuse a tenant with no right to rent. So, the UK Government must act. Where bogus equality and human rights laws stand in the way, it must legislate to put British people first. Reform UK would end access to social housing for foreign nationals, with tenants required to find private accommodation not at the taxpayer's expense. The criteria for occupation of new and existing social housing should be overhauled, with priority given to veterans, our workers, alarm-clock Britain and our most vulnerable. We would overhaul HMO licensing to prevent migrant HMOs. Licences will be refused, revoked or suspended when a landlord is caught knowingly housing illegal immigrants. The people of Wales sent Reform here on a promise to put our own people first for housing. This motion does exactly that, and I urge Members to support this motion. Wel, os ydych chi eisiau—. Rydych chi'n sôn am sgorio pwyntiau gwleidyddol. Fe fyddaf yn fanwl ynglŷn â ble mae hyn yn cysylltu â chyfraith y DU—[Torri ar draws.] Na na. Oherwydd—[Torri ar draws.] Wel, rydych chi eisiau sgorio pwyntiau gwleidyddol—iawn, ond dyna ni. Oherwydd dyna'n union pam y mae ein cynnig yn enwi Llywodraeth y DU. O dan Ddeddf Cydraddoldeb 2010, mae cenedligrwydd yn rhan o ddiffiniad y fframwaith cyfreithiol o hil. Mae'r Ddeddf eisoes yn cynnwys disgwyliadau ar gyfer gweithredoedd sy'n ofynnol gan gyfraith mewnfudo. Dyna pam y gall landlord yn Lloegr wrthod tenant heb hawl i rentu yn gyfreithlon. Felly, rhaid i Lywodraeth y DU weithredu. Lle mae deddfau cydraddoldeb a hawliau dynol ffug yn sefyll yn y ffordd, rhaid iddi ddeddfu i roi pobl Prydain yn gyntaf. Byddai Reform UK yn rhoi diwedd ar fynediad at dai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor, gyda thenantiaid yn gorfod dod o hyd i lety preifat heb fod ar draul y trethdalwr. Dylid ailwampio'r meini prawf ar gyfer meddiannaeth tai cymdeithasol newydd a rhai sy'n bodoli'n barod, gyda blaenoriaeth i gyn-filwyr, ein gweithwyr, Prydain y cloc larwm a'n pobl fwyaf agored i niwed. Byddem yn ailwampio trwyddedu tai amlfeddiannaeth i atal tai amlfeddiannaeth mudwyr. Bydd trwyddedau'n cael eu gwrthod, eu dirymu neu eu hatal pan fydd landlord yn cael ei ddal yn rhoi cartref i fewnfudwyr anghyfreithlon gan wybod ei fod yn gwneud hynny. Anfonodd pobl Cymru Reform yma ar addewid i roi ein pobl ein hunain yn gyntaf o ran tai. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn gwneud yn union hynny, ac rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i'w gefnogi. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776937 340 Cy 2026-10-07T17:02:25 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14902&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14902&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliannau i'r cynnig. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio i gynnig yn ffurfiol welliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enwau Heledd Fychan a Lynne Neagle. I have selected the amendments to the motion. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected. I call on the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning to move formally amendment 1, tabled in the names of Heledd Fychan and Lynne Neagle. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776943 341 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Gwelliant 1—Heledd Fychan, Lynne Neagle Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le: Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn nodi bod tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu dyrannu gan awdurdodau lleol yn unol â deddfwriaeth a chynlluniau dyrannu lleol, gyda blaenoriaeth yn cael ei phennu yn ôl yr angen am dai a chategorïau blaenoriaeth statudol. 2. Yn cydnabod bod cymhwysedd ar gyfer tai cymdeithasol a chymorth digartrefedd yn cael ei lywodraethu gan ddeddfwriaeth, gan gynnwys darpariaethau sy'n ymwneud â statws mewnfudo a phreswyliad cyfreithlon yn y Deyrnas Unedig. 3. Yn credu bod penderfyniadau sy'n ymwneud â thrwyddedu a rheoli tai amlfeddiannaeth yn cael eu gwneud orau gan awdurdodau lleol o fewn y fframwaith a sefydlwyd gan ddeddfwriaeth a chanllawiau Llywodraeth Cymru. 4. Yn nodi bod penderfyniadau ynghylch gwasgariad a llety pobl sy'n ceisio lloches yn cael eu cadw i Lywodraeth y DU ac yn credu y dylai trefniadau gwasgaru effeithiol ystyried capasiti lleol, effaith debygol ar gydlyniant cymunedol a’r gwasanaethau cymorth sydd ar gael. 5. Yn cefnogi ymgysylltu rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth y DU i hyrwyddo trefniadau gwasgaru teg a chynaliadwy ac i gefnogi integreiddio a chydlyniant cymunedol llwyddiannus ledled Cymru. Amendment 1—Heledd Fychan, Lynne Neagle Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes social housing is allocated by local authorities in accordance with legislation and local allocation schemes, with priority determined by housing need and statutory priority categories. 2. Recognises eligibility for social housing and homelessness assistance is governed by legislation, including provisions relating to immigration status and lawful residence in the United Kingdom. 3. Believes decisions relating to the licensing and management of houses in multiple occupation are best taken by local authorities within the framework established by legislation and Welsh Government guidance. 4. Notes decisions regarding the dispersal of and accommodation for people seeking asylum are reserved to the UK Government and believes that effective dispersal arrangements should take account of local capacity, likely impact on community cohesion and the availability of support services. 5. Supports engagement between the Welsh Government and the UK Government to promote fair and sustainable dispersal arrangements and to support successful integration and community cohesion across Wales. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776944 342 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Cynigiwyd gwelliant 1. Amendment 1 moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776949 343 Cy 2026-10-07T17:02:45 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14922&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14922&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio Gwenllian, Sian Yn ffurfiol. Formally. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776951 344 Cy 2026-10-07T17:02:46 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14923&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14923&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch yn fawr iawn. Galwaf nawr ar Peter Fox i gynnig gwelliant 2, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Paul Davies. Thank you. I call now on Peter Fox to move amendment 2, tabled in the name of Paul Davies. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776953 345 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Gwelliant 2—Paul Davies Dileu popeth a rhoi yn ei le: Cynnig bod y Senedd: 1. Yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru, gan weithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU lle bo angen, i: a) diwygio rheolau cymhwysedd tai cymdeithasol, tra'n diogelu hawliau dinasyddion Prydain ac Iwerddon a phobl a ddiogelir gan Gytundeb Ymadael â'r UE; a b) rhoi terfyn ar y defnydd o dai amlfeddiannaeth i ddarparu ar gyfer pobl sy'n bresennol yn anghyfreithlon yn y Deyrnas Unedig, gan gynnwys pobl sy'n cyrraedd y DU yn anghyfreithlon. Amendment 2—Paul Davies Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Calls on the Welsh Government, working with the UK Government where necessary, to: a) reform social-housing eligibility rules, while protecting the rights of British and Irish citizens and people covered by the EU Withdrawal Agreement; and b) end the use of houses in multiple occupation to accommodate people unlawfully present in the United Kingdom, including people who arrive in the UK illegally. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776954 346 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Cynigiwyd gwelliant 2. Amendment 2 moved. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776955 347 En 2026-10-07T17:02:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=14932&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=14932&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4787 4787 Peter Fox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4787 Fox, Peter Diolch, Lywydd. I move the Conservative amendment in the name of Paul Davies. Now, there is no doubt that people across Wales are concerned about pressure on housing. They see growing waiting lists, rising rents and increasing difficulty for local people to access affordable homes. They expect politicians to take those concerns seriously and to offer practical solutions. Unfortunately, what we have before us from Reform today is not a serious attempt to solve a problem. As usual, it is a headline-grabbing motion that falls apart the moment you examine how it would work in actual fact. We believe—the Conservative Party believes—that social housing must prioritise those with a genuine and established connection to our country. We also agree that accommodation should not be provided to people who are here unlawfully. That is why we have tabled an amendment that takes a practical and deliverable approach and a position that is shared by the UK Conservative Party. What we do not support is a policy so carelessly drafted that it would sweep up people who are legally entitled to be here, legally entitled to work here and legally entitled to housing support under existing arrangements. The reality is that Reform's motion would not just affect the groups they want to talk about. It would affect foreign students renting rooms in HMOs while studying at Welsh universities, it would affect workers who have come here legally, and it would affect Irish citizens whose rights are protected under the common travel area. Most significantly, it would also affect EU citizens who were given settled status after Brexit. These are people who were explicitly told that there would be no change to their rights if they were already lawfully resident in the United Kingdom. Those commitments were written into the withdrawal agreement and form part of our international obligations. So, Reform need to answer a simple question: are they really proposing that the United Kingdom should tear up agreements it freely entered into, creating uncertainty for British citizens living abroad and risk retaliatory action from our European neighbours, all to pursue a policy they have no realistic route in implementing? That is the logical consequence of what they are proposing. Now, many of the very people now championing this motion were enthusiastic supporters of the 'leave' campaign, which repeatedly assured EU citizens already living here that their rights would be protected. Back then, they said one thing; today, they are saying another. So, which position is right? We believe in controlled immigration, secure borders and fairness in the allocation of public services. But we also believe that promises made should be promises kept. That is why our amendment takes a different path. We call for reform of social housing eligibility rules where needed, while protecting the rights of British and Irish citizens and those covered by the withdrawal agreement. We call for action against the use of HMOs to accommodate those who are unlawfully present in the United Kingdom, including those who have arrived illegally. Those are measures that can actually be implemented—they are legally sound, they are proportionate and they address legitimate public concerns without descending into gesture politics. We should also be clear that Welsh Government cannot escape responsibility. Labour have overseen years of pressure on housing supply, years of failure to deliver the homes that Wales needs, and years of inaction when local authorities and communities have raised concerns about housing availability. So, while Reform offer slogans, Labour try to defend their record and Plaid set out their next 100 days of uncosted aims, the Welsh Conservatives are offering solutions—solutions that recognise the pressure on housing, uphold the rule of law and can actually be delivered. For those reasons, Members should reject Reform's flawed motion and support ours. Thank you. Diolch, Lywydd. Rwy'n cynnig gwelliant y Ceidwadwyr yn enw Paul Davies. Nawr, nid oes unrhyw amheuaeth fod pobl ledled Cymru yn poeni am bwysau o ran tai. Maent yn gweld rhestrau aros cynyddol, rhenti cynyddol ac anhawster cynyddol i bobl leol gael mynediad at gartrefi fforddiadwy. Maent yn disgwyl i wleidyddion roi ystyriaeth ddifrifol i'r pryderon hynny ac i gynnig atebion ymarferol. Yn anffodus, nid yw'r hyn sydd gennym o'n blaenau gan Reform heddiw yn ymgais ddifrifol i ddatrys problem. Fel arfer, mae'n gynnig i fachu penawdau sy'n chwalu yr eiliad y byddwch chi'n archwilio sut y byddai'n gweithio mewn gwirionedd. Rydym ni'n credu—mae'r Blaid Geidwadol yn credu—fod rhaid i dai cymdeithasol flaenoriaethu'r rhai sydd â chysylltiad dilys a sefydledig â'n gwlad. Rydym hefyd yn cytuno na ddylid darparu llety i bobl sydd yma yn anghyfreithlon. Dyna pam ein bod wedi cyflwyno gwelliant sy'n arfer dull ymarferol a chyflawnadwy o weithredu a safbwynt sy'n cael ei rannu gan Blaid Geidwadol y DU. Yr hyn nad ydym yn ei gefnogi yw polisi sydd wedi'i ddrafftio mor ddiofal fel y byddai'n cynnwys pobl sydd â hawl gyfreithiol i fod yma, pobl sydd â hawl gyfreithiol i weithio yma a hawl gyfreithiol i gymorth tai o dan y trefniadau presennol. Y gwir amdani yw nad y grwpiau y maent hwy'n siarad amdanynt yn unig fyddai cynnig Reform yn effeithio arnynt. Byddai'n effeithio ar fyfyrwyr tramor sy'n rhentu ystafelloedd mewn tai amlfeddiannaeth wrth iddynt astudio mewn prifysgolion yng Nghymru, byddai'n effeithio ar weithwyr sydd wedi dod yma'n gyfreithlon, a byddai'n effeithio ar ddinasyddion Iwerddon y mae eu hawliau wedi'u diogelu o dan yr ardal deithio gyffredin. Yn fwyaf arwyddocaol, byddai hefyd yn effeithio ar ddinasyddion yr UE y rhoddwyd statws preswylwyr sefydlog iddynt ar ôl Brexit. Mae'r rhain yn bobl y dywedwyd wrthynt yn glir na fyddai unrhyw newid i'w hawliau os oeddent eisoes yn preswylio'n gyfreithlon yn y Deyrnas Unedig. Ysgrifennwyd yr ymrwymiadau hynny yn y cytundeb ymadael ac maent yn rhan o'n rhwymedigaethau rhyngwladol. Felly, mae angen i Reform ateb cwestiwn syml: a ydynt o ddifrif yn cynnig y dylai'r Deyrnas Unedig rwygo cytundebau yr ymrwymodd iddynt o'i gwirfodd, a chreu ansicrwydd i ddinasyddion Prydain sy'n byw dramor a risg o ddial gan ein cymdogion Ewropeaidd, a'r cyfan er mwyn dilyn polisi nad oes ganddynt lwybr realistig tuag at ei weithredu? Dyna ganlyniad rhesymegol yr hyn y maent yn ei gynnig. Nawr, roedd llawer o'r union bobl sydd bellach yn hyrwyddo'r cynnig hwn yn gefnogwyr brwdfrydig i'r ymgyrch dros adael a sicrhaodd ddinasyddion yr UE a oedd eisoes yn byw yma dro ar ôl tro y byddai eu hawliau'n cael eu diogelu. Bryd hynny, roeddent yn dweud un peth; heddiw, maent yn dweud rhywbeth arall. Felly, pa safbwynt sy'n gywir? Rydym yn credu mewn mewnfudo dan reolaeth, ffiniau diogel a thegwch wrth ddyrannu gwasanaethau cyhoeddus. Ond credwn hefyd y dylai addewidion a wnaed fod yn addewidion a gedwir. Dyna pam y mae ein gwelliant ni'n dilyn llwybr gwahanol. Rydym yn galw am ddiwygio rheolau cymhwyso ar gyfer tai cymdeithasol lle bo angen, tra'n diogelu hawliau dinasyddion Prydain ac Iwerddon a'r rhai a gwmpesir gan y cytundeb ymadael. Rydym yn galw am weithredu yn erbyn y defnydd o dai amlfeddiannaeth i letya rhai sy'n bresennol yn anghyfreithlon yn y Deyrnas Unedig, gan gynnwys y rhai sydd wedi cyrraedd yn anghyfreithlon. Mae'r rhain yn fesurau y gellir eu gweithredu—maent yn gyfreithiol gadarn, maent yn gymesur ac maent yn mynd i'r afael â phryderon cyhoeddus dilys heb ymroi i wleidyddiaeth ystumiau. Dylem fod yn glir hefyd na all Llywodraeth Cymru ddianc rhag cyfrifoldeb. Mae Llafur wedi goruchwylio dros flynyddoedd o bwysau ar y cyflenwad tai, blynyddoedd o fethiant i ddarparu'r cartrefi sydd eu hangen ar Gymru, a blynyddoedd o ddiffyg gweithredu pan fo awdurdodau lleol a chymunedau wedi codi pryderon am argaeledd tai. Felly, tra bod Reform yn cynnig sloganau, Llafur yn ceisio amddiffyn eu cyflawniad a Phlaid Cymru'n nodi eu 100 diwrnod nesaf o nodau heb eu costio, mae'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn cynnig atebion—atebion sy'n cydnabod y pwysau ar y cyflenwad tai, sy'n cynnal rheolaeth y gyfraith ac sy'n gyflawnadwy mewn gwirionedd. Am y rhesymau hynny, dylai'r Aelodau wrthod cynnig diffygiol Reform a chefnogi ein cynnig ni. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776915 348 En 2026-10-07T17:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15057&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776921 349 En 2026-10-07T17:07:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15198&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15198&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12166 12166 Kiera Marshall AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12166 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12166 Marshall, Kiera I'd like to start by declaring an interest as a recent tenant in the private rental sector. Hopefully, this makes it clear from the outset where my priorities lie, because my priority lies with people who need a home, not people who profit from other people's basic need for shelter—and I'm not sure the same can be said about the party opposite on that. However, Nigel Farage's Welsh branch have identified a genuine problem: Wales does not have enough affordable housing. But, once again, they are taking a genuine problem and looking for someone to blame. People who arrive here illegally, asylum seekers and migrants on student or work visas are not eligible for social housing. According to census data, there are an estimated 28,000 non-UK-born people living in social housing in Wales. Meanwhile, an estimated 170,000 people are waiting for social housing in Wales. The housing crisis is way bigger than the question of migration. Even if the party opposite got their disturbed dream of making 28,000 people homeless, it would not begin to tackle the problem. And this is the only answer they have got: scapegoating migrants. The Reform UK Wales manifesto does not even commit to building a single council or social home. Not one. Not a commitment to a single one. They have no plan to ensure the adequate supply of social housing for everyone, whereas this Plaid Cymru Government is getting on with their commitment to build 20,000 social homes. The only plan Reform do have, actually, would make the problem worse. Thatcher's right to buy decimated the supply of council homes in the UK, and the Conservatives' right to buy in the 2010s—which many of them will remember as they were members of the party at the time—contributed massively to the UK housing crisis. More than 40 per cent of homes that were sold under that scheme are now in the private rental sector. So, it is laughable that a party advocating for right to buy is complaining about HMOs in Wales, because right to buy would actually increase the number of HMOs in Wales. And take this in—I won't say it often—Reform is right: there are issues with HMOs. But they have not identified the right issue. Houses in multiple occupation too often result in overcrowding and poor living conditions, while generating profits for the wealthy from this poor standard of living. Instead of asking, 'What kind of home does someone need to thrive?', the market asks, 'What is the minimum amount of private space that someone will pay for?' It is exploitative. We will not solve this housing crisis by making people live more densely on top of each other inside existing homes. I'm not objecting to shared living, because students or friends may genuinely choose it—I've been in that situation myself many times—but too often, with HMOs, economic necessity is masquerading as consumer choice. When someone is living in a bedroom in subdivided housing simply because they cannot afford anything else, that's a housing crisis. Why should people with money get proper homes to live in, but people without money get a bedroom in a subdivided house? Reform UK are on the record complaining about HMOs, but would Reform UK be willing to take on the landlord lobby and reduce the number of legal rooms in HMOs, or strengthen tenants' rights, or end no-fault evictions? What do you think? Because the Reform 2024 manifesto wanted to abolish the Renters' Rights Bill, which set out to end no-fault evictions and strengthen renters' rights, and it will be really interesting to see how they vote on the package of renters' rights that this Welsh Government wants to bring through. So, to summarise, Reform don't want people born outside the UK to access social housing, but they also don't want them to access HMOs. Their manifesto means they're clearly not interested in building social housing and, through right to buy, they actually support decreasing the supply of council housing, which will increase dependence on the private rental sector and increase the number of HMOs that they want to see fewer of, but they aren't planning on building social or council homes as an alternative and actually support selling them off, remember. Does that make any sense to anyone here? No, it doesn't. But at least one thing is clear from Reform's motion today—Reform don't like people born outside the UK—. Sorry, Llywydd, let me correct that. Reform don't want people born outside the UK in social housing or private HMOs in Wales. Diolch yn fawr. Hoffwn ddechrau trwy ddatgan buddiant fel tenant diweddar yn y sector rhentu preifat. Gobeithio bod hyn yn ei gwneud hi'n glir o'r dechrau ble mae fy mlaenoriaethau, oherwydd fy mlaenoriaeth yw'r bobl sydd angen cartref, nid pobl sy'n elwa o angen sylfaenol pobl eraill am loches—ac nid wyf yn siŵr y gellir dweud yr un peth am y blaid gyferbyn ar hynny. Fodd bynnag, mae cangen Cymru Nigel Farage wedi nodi problem wirioneddol: nid oes gan Gymru ddigon o dai fforddiadwy. Ond unwaith eto, maent yn cymryd problem go iawn ac yn chwilio am rywun i'w feio. Nid yw pobl sy'n cyrraedd yma'n anghyfreithlon, ceiswyr lloches ac ymfudwyr ar fisâu myfyrwyr neu waith yn gymwys i gael tai cymdeithasol. Yn ôl data'r cyfrifiad, amcangyfrifir bod 28,000 o bobl nad ydynt wedi'u geni yn y DU yn byw mewn tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru. Yn y cyfamser, amcangyfrifir bod 170,000 o bobl yn aros am dai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru. Mae'r argyfwng tai yn llawer mwy na chwestiwn mudo. Hyd yn oed pe bai'r blaid gyferbyn yn cael eu breuddwyd ynfyd o wneud 28,000 o bobl yn ddigartref, ni fyddai'n dechrau mynd i'r afael â'r broblem. A dyma'r unig ateb sydd ganddynt: gwneud ymfudwyr yn fychod dihangol. Nid yw maniffesto Reform UK Cymru yn ymrwymo i adeiladu un cartref cyngor neu gartref cymdeithasol hyd yn oed. Dim un. Ni cheir ymrwymiad i un. Nid oes ganddynt gynllun i sicrhau cyflenwad digonol o dai cymdeithasol i bawb, tra bod Llywodraeth Plaid Cymru yn parhau â'u hymrwymiad i adeiladu 20,000 o gartrefi cymdeithasol. Byddai'r unig gynllun sydd gan Reform mewn gwirionedd yn gwneud y broblem yn waeth. Fe wnaeth hawl i brynu Thatcher ddinistrio'r cyflenwad o gartrefi cyngor yn y DU, a chyfrannodd hawl i brynu'r Ceidwadwyr yn y 2010au—y bydd llawer ohonynt hwy'n ei gofio gan eu bod yn aelodau o'r blaid honno ar y pryd—yn enfawr at argyfwng tai y DU. Mae mwy na 40 y cant o'r cartrefi a werthwyd o dan y cynllun hwnnw bellach yn y sector rhentu preifat. Felly, mae'n chwerthinllyd fod plaid sy'n cefnogi'r hawl i brynu yn cwyno am dai amlfeddiannaeth yng Nghymru, gan y byddai'r hawl i brynu yn cynyddu nifer y tai amlfeddiannaeth yng Nghymru mewn gwirionedd. A chlywch hyn—ni fyddaf yn ei ddweud yn aml—mae Reform yn iawn: mae yna broblemau gyda thai amlfeddiannaeth. Ond nid ydynt wedi nodi'r broblem gywir. Mae tai amlfeddiannaeth yn rhy aml yn arwain at orlenwi ac amodau byw gwael, tra'n cynhyrchu elw i'r cyfoethog o'r safon byw wael hon. Yn hytrach na gofyn, 'Pa fath o gartref sydd ei angen ar rywun i ffynnu?', mae'r farchnad yn gofyn, 'Beth yw'r lleiafswm o le preifat y bydd rhywun yn talu amdano?' Mae'n ecsbloetiol. Ni wnawn ddatrys yr argyfwng tai trwy wneud i bobl fyw mewn niferoedd mwy dwys ar ben ei gilydd mewn cartrefi sydd eisoes yn bodoli. Nid wyf yn gwrthwynebu rhannu lle byw, oherwydd gall myfyrwyr neu ffrindiau ei ddewis—rwyf wedi bod yn y sefyllfa honno fy hun sawl gwaith—ond yn rhy aml, gyda thai amlfeddiannaeth, mae angen economaidd yn ffugio bod yn ddewis i ddefnyddwyr. Pan fydd rhywun yn byw mewn ystafell wely mewn tŷ wedi'i isrannu am na allant fforddio unrhyw beth arall, mae hynny'n argyfwng tai. Pam y dylai pobl sydd ag arian gael cartrefi priodol i fyw ynddynt, ond bod pobl heb arian yn cael ystafell wely mewn tŷ wedi'i isrannu? Cofnodwyd Reform UK yn cwyno am dai amlfeddiannaeth, ond a fyddai Reform UK yn fodlon mynd benben â'r lobi landlordiaid a lleihau nifer yr ystafelloedd cyfreithiol mewn tai amlfeddiannaeth, neu gryfhau hawliau tenantiaid, neu roi diwedd ar droi allan heb fai? Tybed? Oherwydd roedd maniffesto Reform 2024 eisiau diddymu'r Bil Hawliau Rhentwyr, a oedd yn ceisio rhoi diwedd ar droi allan heb fai a chryfhau hawliau rhentwyr, a bydd yn ddiddorol iawn gweld sut y maent yn pleidleisio ar y pecyn o hawliau rhentwyr y mae'r Llywodraeth hon eisiau ei gyflwyno. Felly, i grynhoi, nid yw Reform eisiau i bobl a anwyd y tu allan i'r DU gael tai cymdeithasol, ond nid ydynt eisiau iddynt gael lle mewn tai amlfeddiannaeth chwaith. Mae eu maniffesto'n golygu nad oes ganddynt ddiddordeb mewn adeiladu tai cymdeithasol a thrwy hawl i brynu, maent yn cefnogi lleihau'r cyflenwad o dai cyngor, a fydd yn cynyddu dibyniaeth ar y sector rhentu preifat ac yn cynyddu nifer y tai amlfeddiannaeth y maent am weld llai ohonynt, ond nid ydynt yn bwriadu adeiladu cartrefi cymdeithasol neu gartrefi cyngor fel dewis amgen ac mewn gwirionedd, maent yn cefnogi eu gwerthu, cofiwch. A yw hynny'n gwneud unrhyw synnwyr i unrhyw un yma? Nac ydy. Ond mae o leiaf un peth yn glir yng nghynnig Reform heddiw—nid yw Reform yn hoffi pobl a anwyd y tu allan i'r DU—. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, Lywydd, gadewch imi gywiro hynny. Nid yw Reform eisiau pobl a anwyd y tu allan i'r DU mewn tai cymdeithasol neu dai amlfeddiannaeth preifat yng Nghymru. Diolch yn fawr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776922 350 En 2026-10-07T17:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15357&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15357&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776929 351 En 2026-10-07T17:11:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15443&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15443&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12146 12146 Joe Martin AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12146 Martin, Joe Thank you. Foreign nationals living in Welsh and British social housing should be given a grace period of three months to find private housing, after which, they should be deported. It isn't the responsibility of the Welsh or British taxpayer to fund the living arrangements of people from overseas. People moving to the UK should be able to afford to buy or rent a house at normal market rates before they move here. If they can't afford to live here without help from the taxpayer, then they shouldn't come to the UK. Now, Kiera Marshall is right, there is a shortage of social housing in this country, but Reform would build tens of thousands more. But those homes should go to British—[Interruption.] No, thank you. Those homes should go to British people. There is no point in building thousands of new homes when net immigration is bringing in hundreds of thousands of people every year to fill them. The British state and the Welsh state do not exist to provide social housing to the rest of the world, they exist to serve the interests of the British and Welsh people, and putting the people of Britain and Wales first necessarily means putting the rest of the world second. It isn't racist or xenophobic or unkind to regard your countrymen as your priority. Those closest to you get preferential treatment. And as a Welsh politician representing Wales, that is right, that is just and that is normal. [Interruption.] No, thank you. [Interruption.] [Laughter.] I'm sure that was a very funny joke. Thank you. If you ask me to choose between my countrymen, the people of Wales, who are my first and only priority, and strangers, every time, I will proudly choose my countrymen. The people of Wales deserve to be a priority in their own country. They are a unique and special people with a shared history that goes back thousands of years. If, like some of my colleagues, you want to move here and join us, you are more than welcome, but you cannot require the taxpayer to fund your lifestyle. I cannot even fathom—. I cannot even fathom the entitlement required to look at a country with failing—[Interruption.] No. I cannot even fathom the entitlement required to look at a country with failing public services, patients dying in hospital corridors, and think yourself entitled to subsidised housing when you aren't even from there. If I moved to China or Eritrea or Bangladesh and told them to house me, they would flatly tell me 'no'. They are right to do so, and we should do the same. I do not accept for a moment that it's the moral responsibility of the poorest nation in the UK to give up its social housing for people that aren't even from the UK. Once foreign nationals have been banned from social housing, and those who cannot or will not find private accommodation are deported, the allocation system should be overhauled. It should prioritise British workers under the age of 35, young married couples, veterans, victims of domestic violence and care leavers. Being in work should also be a requirement to access any newly built social housing. These measures would go some way to reflect the fact that we live in a world of finite resources and that our own come first. So, I'll be voting in favour of the motion. Diolch. Dylid rhoi cyfnod gras o dri mis i ddinasyddion tramor sy'n byw mewn tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru a Phrydain i ddod o hyd i dai preifat, ac ar ôl hynny, dylid eu hallgludo. Nid cyfrifoldeb y trethdalwr Cymreig neu Brydeinig yw ariannu trefniadau byw pobl o dramor. Dylai pobl sy'n symud i'r DU allu fforddio prynu neu rentu tŷ ar gyfraddau arferol y farchnad cyn iddynt symud yma. Os na allant fforddio byw yma heb gymorth gan y trethdalwr, ni ddylent ddod i'r DU. Nawr, mae Kiera Marshall yn iawn, mae prinder tai cymdeithasol yn y wlad hon, ond byddai Reform yn adeiladu degau o filoedd yn fwy. Ond dylai'r cartrefi hynny fynd i bobl Prydain—[Torri ar draws.] Na, dim diolch. Dylai'r cartrefi hynny fynd i bobl Prydain. Nid oes pwynt adeiladu miloedd o gartrefi newydd pan fo mewnfudo net yn dod â channoedd o filoedd o bobl i mewn bob blwyddyn i'w llenwi. Nid yw'r wladwriaeth Brydeinig a'r wladwriaeth Gymreig yn bodoli i ddarparu tai cymdeithasol i weddill y byd, maent yn bodoli i wasanaethu buddiannau pobl Prydain a Chymru, ac mae rhoi pobl Prydain a Chymru yn gyntaf o reidrwydd yn golygu rhoi gweddill y byd yn ail. Nid yw'n hiliol nac yn senoffobaidd nac yn annheg i roi blaenoriaeth i'ch cydwladwyr. Mae'r rhai agosaf atoch yn cael triniaeth ffafriol. Ac fel gwleidydd Cymreig sy'n cynrychioli Cymru, mae hynny'n iawn, mae hynny'n gyfiawn ac mae hynny'n normal. [Torri ar draws.] Na, dim diolch. [Torri ar draws.] [Chwerthin.] Rwy'n siŵr bod honno'n jôc ddoniol iawn. Diolch. Os gofynnwch imi ddewis rhwng fy nghydwladwyr, pobl Cymru, fy mhrif flaenoriaeth a fy unig flaenoriaeth, a dieithriaid, byddaf bob tro'n falch o ddewis fy nghydwladwyr. Mae pobl Cymru'n haeddu bod yn flaenoriaeth yn eu gwlad eu hunain. Maent yn bobl unigryw ac arbennig gyda hanes cyffredin sy'n mynd yn ôl filoedd o flynyddoedd. Os ydych chi, fel rhai o fy nghyd-Aelodau, eisiau symud yma ac ymuno â ni, mae croeso mawr i chi wneud hynny, ond ni allwch ei gwneud yn ofynnol i'r trethdalwr ariannu eich ffordd o fyw. Ni allaf hyd yn oed ddeall—. Ni allaf hyd yn oed ddeall yr ymdeimlad o hawl sydd ei angen i edrych ar wlad sy'n—[Torri ar draws.] Na. Ni allaf hyd yn oed ddeall yr ymdeimlad o hawl sydd ei angen i edrych ar wlad y mae ei gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yn methu, cleifion sy'n marw yng nghoridorau ysbytai, a meddwl bod gennych hawl i dai a gymorthdelir pan nad ydych chi'n dod o'r fan honno hyd yn oed. Pe bawn i'n symud i China neu Eritrea neu Bangladesh ac yn dweud wrthynt roi cartref i mi, byddent yn dweud 'na' ar ei ben wrthyf. Maent yn iawn i wneud hynny, a dylem ninnau wneud yr un peth. Nid wyf yn derbyn am eiliad ei bod yn gyfrifoldeb moesol ar genedl dlotaf y DU i ildio ei thai cymdeithasol i bobl nad ydynt yn dod o'r DU. Pan fydd gwladolion tramor wedi'u gwahardd rhag cael tai cymdeithasol, a'r rhai nad ydynt yn gallu neu'n barod i ddod o hyd i lety preifat yn cael eu hallgludo, dylid ailwampio'r system ddyrannu. Dylai flaenoriaethu gweithwyr Prydeinig o dan 35 oed, cyplau priod ifanc, cyn-filwyr, dioddefwyr trais domestig a phobl sy'n gadael gofal. Hefyd, dylai fod yn ofynnol i ymgeiswyr fod mewn gwaith i gael mynediad at unrhyw dai cymdeithasol a adeiladir o'r newydd. Byddai'r mesurau hyn yn mynd rywfaint o'r ffordd i adlewyrchu'r ffaith ein bod yn byw mewn byd o adnoddau cyfyngedig a bod ein pobl ein hunain yn dod yn gyntaf. Felly, fe fyddaf i'n pleidleisio o blaid y cynnig. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776942 352 En 2026-10-07T17:14:51 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15648&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15648&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5038 5038 Jayne Bryant AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5038 Bryant, Jayne Homes are the foundations of our entire lives, from health and well-being to education and jobs. This motion is divisive and misleading, and it's important to put the facts front and centre of this debate. I'll start with houses in multiple occupation. HMOs play a crucial role for university students, single individuals, people on low incomes, people who arrive to a new area, for whatever reason, or people who only want short-term housing as an option. The most recent Welsh Government data accounts for under 15,000 HMOs in Wales. A mixture of types of accommodation within communities is important, and the concentration of HMOs in certain areas is something that warrants further action. But that is a separate issue to the misleading motion that's being debated today. The proposals put forward today to restrict the rights of people who live here legally would mean evicting workers, carers, colleagues and friends. That's the reality. If today's motion passes, this Senedd would be pitting neighbour against neighbour. It would not represent Wales and Welsh values. The evidence shows that the vast majority—94 per cent—of social housing tenants in Wales were born in the UK, and nearly 80 per cent were born in Wales. Out of almost 0.5 million residents living in social housing in Wales, 463,000 were born in the UK. Of those who are not British citizens, there are people with settled status, refugees who have been granted protection, people granted humanitarian protection, and people with a lawful immigration status, which gives them that entitlement. It's clear that social housing should continue to be allocated according to housing need and in line with legal obligations. We know that there is pressure on local services, including housing, across communities in Wales—nobody is denying that. But the way of alleviating that pressure is to invest in public services, grow our economy, build more homes and deliver effectively across Government, not to rip up legal rights and deny people the services that they're entitled to. Social housing in Wales is allocated based on housing need, and there are strict rules that determine eligibility. That means most people subject to immigration control aren't eligible for social housing. That is a fact, but one that some people in this Chamber refuse to recognise. There is significant disinformation and misinformation when it comes to social housing and the wider debate about immigration in Wales. It's important to emphasise that social housing allocations primarily work to serve the people of Wales. The reality is that local authorities across Wales apply tight controls around eligibility, and there's always a need to follow the correct process to ensure that housing needs are properly assessed. Housing associations also play an increasingly important role in supporting people and communities, helping residents sustain their tenancies, improve their well-being, and access opportunities that enable them to thrive. As a result, social landlords are balancing the need to build more homes, invest in existing homes, and deliver services that respond to wider social and economic challenges. This requires strong investment, long-term investment and a shared commitment to addressing Wales's housing needs. The biggest challenge facing the housing system in Wales isn't the eligibility criteria but the need to invest in more social homes. In the last Senedd term, the Welsh Labour Government invested £2 billion to deliver more than 20,000 homes for rent in the social sector, and that was record levels of investment and record levels of delivery. I'd like to know how the current Government is going to maintain that momentum and increase the supply of social housing across Wales, reducing the social housing waiting list. The focus of the Welsh Government should be on building more homes, bringing empty properties back into use, and making sure councils and housing associations can develop plans to increase the supply of social housing. That is what this Senedd should focus on and scrutinise. Finally, Cabinet Minister, fear is being stoked in this Chamber today, so what is this Government doing to challenge the disinformation and misinformation around social housing eligibility? Diolch. Cartrefi yw sylfeini ein bywydau cyfan, o iechyd a lles i addysg a swyddi. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn ymrannol ac yn gamarweiniol, ac mae'n bwysig rhoi lle blaenllaw i'r ffeithiau yn y ddadl hon. Fe ddechreuaf gyda thai aml feddiannaeth. Mae tai amlfeddiannaeth yn chwarae rôl hanfodol i fyfyrwyr prifysgol, unigolion sengl, pobl ar incwm isel, pobl sy'n cyrraedd ardal newydd am ba reswm bynnag, neu bobl sydd ond eisiau tai tymor byr fel opsiwn. Mae data diweddaraf Llywodraeth Cymru yn nodi bod llai na 15,000 o dai amlfeddiannaeth yng Nghymru. Mae cymysgedd o fathau o lety mewn cymunedau yn bwysig, ac mae crynodiad tai amlfeddiannaeth mewn rhai ardaloedd yn rhywbeth sy'n galw am weithredu pellach. Ond mae hwnnw'n fater gwahanol i'r cynnig camarweiniol sy'n cael ei drafod heddiw. Byddai'r cynigion a gyflwynwyd heddiw i gyfyngu ar hawliau pobl sy'n byw yma yn gyfreithlon yn golygu troi gweithwyr, gofalwyr, cydweithwyr a ffrindiau allan. Dyna'r realiti. Os bydd y cynnig heddiw yn pasio, byddai'r Senedd hon yn gosod cymydog yn erbyn cymydog. Ni fyddai'n cynrychioli Cymru a gwerthoedd Cymreig. Mae'r dystiolaeth yn dangos bod y mwyafrif helaeth—94 y cant—o denantiaid tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru wedi'u geni yn y DU, a bron i 80 y cant wedi'u geni yng Nghymru. O'r ychydig dan 0.5 miliwn o drigolion sy'n byw mewn tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru, cafodd 463,000 eu geni yn y DU. O'r rhai nad ydynt yn ddinasyddion Prydeinig, mae yna bobl â statws preswylwyr sefydlog, ffoaduriaid y caniatawyd diogelwch iddynt, pobl y caniatawyd diogelwch dyngarol iddynt, a phobl â statws mewnfudo cyfreithlon, sy'n rhoi'r hawl honno iddynt. Mae'n amlwg y dylai tai cymdeithasol barhau i gael eu dyrannu yn ôl yr angen o ran tai ac yn unol â rhwymedigaethau cyfreithiol. Gwyddom fod pwysau ar wasanaethau lleol, gan gynnwys tai, ar draws y cymunedau yng Nghymru—nid oes neb yn gwadu hynny. Ond y ffordd o leddfu'r pwysau hwnnw yw buddsoddi mewn gwasanaethau cyhoeddus, tyfu ein heconomi, adeiladu mwy o gartrefi a chyflawni'n effeithiol ar draws y Llywodraeth, nid chwalu hawliau cyfreithiol ac amddifadu pobl o'r gwasanaethau y mae ganddynt hawl iddynt. Mae tai cymdeithasol yng Nghymru yn cael eu dyrannu'n seiliedig ar angen o ran tai, ac fe geir rheolau llym sy'n pennu cymhwystra. Mae hynny'n golygu nad yw'r rhan fwyaf o bobl sy'n destun rheolaeth mewnfudo yn gymwys i gael tai cymdeithasol. Mae hynny'n ffaith, ond un y mae rhai pobl yn y Siambr hon yn gwrthod ei chydnabod. Mae yna ddiffyg gwybodaeth a chamwybodaeth sylweddol mewn perthynas â thai cymdeithasol a'r ddadl ehangach am fewnfudo yng Nghymru. Mae'n bwysig pwysleisio bod dyraniadau tai cymdeithasol yn gweithio'n bennaf i wasanaethu pobl Cymru. Y gwir amdani yw bod awdurdodau lleol ledled Cymru yn cymhwyso mesurau rheoli llym ynghylch cymhwystra, ac mae angen dilyn y broses gywir bob amser i sicrhau bod anghenion o ran tai'n cael eu hasesu'n briodol. Mae cymdeithasau tai hefyd yn chwarae rôl gynyddol bwysig yn cefnogi pobl a chymunedau, gan helpu preswylwyr i gynnal eu tenantiaethau, gwella eu lles, a chael mynediad at gyfleoedd sy'n eu galluogi i ffynnu. O ganlyniad, mae landlordiaid cymdeithasol yn cydbwyso'r angen i adeiladu mwy o gartrefi, buddsoddi mewn cartrefi sy'n bodoli'n barod, a darparu gwasanaethau sy'n ymateb i heriau cymdeithasol ac economaidd ehangach. Geilw hyn am fuddsoddiad cryf, buddsoddiad hirdymor ac ymrwymiad ar y cyd i fynd i'r afael ag anghenion o ran tai yng Nghymru. Nid y meini prawf cymhwystra yw'r her fwyaf sy'n wynebu'r system dai yng Nghymru, ond yr angen i fuddsoddi mewn mwy o gartrefi cymdeithasol. Yn nhymor y Senedd ddiwethaf, buddsoddodd Llywodraeth Lafur Cymru £2 biliwn i ddarparu mwy na 20,000 o gartrefi i'w gosod ar rent yn y sector cymdeithasol, a dyna'r lefelau buddsoddi uchaf erioed a'r lefelau cyflawni uchaf erioed. Hoffwn wybod sut y mae'r Llywodraeth bresennol yn mynd i gynnal y momentwm hwnnw a chynyddu'r cyflenwad o dai cymdeithasol ledled Cymru, gan leihau'r rhestr aros am dai cymdeithasol. Dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ganolbwyntio ar adeiladu mwy o gartrefi, dod ag eiddo gwag yn ôl i ddefnydd, a sicrhau bod cynghorau a chymdeithasau tai'n gallu datblygu cynlluniau i gynyddu'r cyflenwad o dai cymdeithasol. Ar hynny y dylai'r Senedd hon ganolbwyntio a'i graffu. Yn olaf, Weinidog Cabinet, mae yna ymdrechion i godi bwganod yn y Siambr hon heddiw, felly beth y mae'r Llywodraeth hon yn ei wneud i herio'r dwyllwybodaeth a'r gamwybodaeth ynghylch cymhwystra i gael tai cymdeithasol? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776918 353 En 2026-10-07T17:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15657&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776920 354 En 2026-10-07T17:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15657&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776941 355 En 2026-10-07T17:19:48 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15945&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15945&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch. We have many speakers on this debate. If every Member speaks for the full five minutes, we won't be able to call everybody. I'm just letting you know now, but it's in your hands. We could get to everybody if you speak slightly shorter. John Clark.  Diolch. Mae gennym lawer o siaradwyr yn y ddadl hon. Os bydd pob Aelod yn siarad am y pum munud llawn, ni fyddwn yn gallu galw ar bawb. Rwy'n rhoi gwybod i chi nawr, ond mae yn eich dwylo chi. Gallwn gyrraedd pawb os gwnewch chi siarad am amser ychydig yn fyrrach. John Clark. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776933 356 En 2026-10-07T17:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15957&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776936 357 En 2026-10-07T17:20:05 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=15962&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=15962&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John Diolch, Llywydd. Llywydd, the Member for Caerdydd Penarth has set out the principle. I will set out what it looks like on a street in Bangor. A house that used to hold a family now holds six men who arrived in this country as adults. The bins overflow, the parking goes, the neighbours stop letting their children play outside, and when the neighbours complain, they're told they are the problem.  This is not a housing policy; it's a choice to socialise the cost of a failed system, a transfer of the cost from the people who made the decision to the people who live next door to it. HMOs for foreign nationals have become the mechanism by which hard political choices are avoided. Wales does not have a spare stock of family homes. We have long waiting lists. We have young couples forced to live with their parents into their 30s. We have veterans and key workers who can't get housing in the town where they were born. And we have a licensing regime for HMOs that's treating it as a growth industry. Every family home converted into a HMO is a home taken out of the market for a local family and put into a market that pays better, where the tenants are transient, the houses are crowded, and rental income is backed by a public contract. Landlords did not invent this incentive—Government did. So, let us be precise about what this motion does and does not do. Diolch, Lywydd. Lywydd, mae'r Aelod dros Gaerdydd Penarth wedi nodi'r egwyddor. Fe wnaf i nodi sut mae'n edrych ar stryd ym Mangor. Mae tŷ a arferai gynnwys teulu bellach yn cynnwys chwech o ddynion a gyrhaeddodd y wlad hon fel oedolion. Mae'r biniau'n gorlifo, mae'r llefydd parcio'n mynd, mae'r cymdogion yn rhoi'r gorau i adael i'w plant chwarae tu allan, a phan fo'r cymdogion yn cwyno, dywedir wrthynt mai nhw yw'r broblem. Nid polisi tai yw hwn, ond dewis i gymdeithasoli cost system fethedig, trosglwyddo'r gost oddi wrth y bobl a wnaeth y penderfyniad i'r bobl sy'n byw drws nesaf iddo. Mae tai amlfeddiannaeth ar gyfer gwladolion tramor wedi dod yn fecanwaith lle mae dewisiadau gwleidyddol anodd yn cael eu hosgoi. Nid oes gan Gymru stoc sbâr o gartrefi teuluol. Mae gennym restrau aros hir. Mae gennym gyplau ifanc sy'n cael eu gorfodi i fyw gyda'u rhieni yn eu 30au. Mae gennym gyn-filwyr a gweithwyr allweddol na allant gael tai yn y dref lle cawsant eu geni. Ac mae gennym gyfundrefn drwyddedu tai amlfeddiannaeth sy'n ei drin fel diwydiant twf. Mae pob cartref teuluol a gafodd ei droi'n dŷ amlfeddiannaeth yn gartref sy'n cael ei dynnu allan o'r farchnad i deulu lleol a'i roi mewn marchnad sy'n talu'n well, lle mae'r tenantiaid yn rhai dros dro, y tai'n orlawn, a lle caiff incwm rhent ei gefnogi gan gontract cyhoeddus. Nid landlordiaid a ddyfeisiodd y cymhelliant hwn, ond Llywodraeth. Felly, gadewch inni fod yn fanwl gywir ynglŷn â'r hyn y mae'r cynnig hwn yn ei wneud ac nad yw'n ei wneud. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776961 358 En 2026-10-07T17:21:36 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16053&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16053&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5196 5196 Sarah Rees https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 Rees, Sarah Will you take an intervention? A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776962 359 En 2026-10-07T17:21:39 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16056&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16056&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John In a moment. It does not say Wales is closed. It does not say that a nurse, a doctor or an engineer who can house themselves in the private market is unwelcome. It simply says, 'end access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals'. That's taxpayer-funded accommodation. Mewn eiliad. Nid yw'n dweud bod Cymru ar gau. Nid yw'n dweud nad oes croeso i nyrs, meddyg neu beiriannydd sy'n gallu dod o hyd i gartref iddynt eu hunain yn y farchnad breifat. Mae'n dweud yn syml, 'rhoi terfyn ar allu gwladolion tramor i gael mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol'. Sef llety a ariennir gan drethdalwyr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776963 360 En 2026-10-07T17:21:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16076&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16076&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5196 5196 Sarah Rees https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5196 Rees, Sarah Thank you. So, would you agree that we shouldn't be placing that issue onto more vulnerable people, particularly people who are seeking asylum in the United Kingdom and end up in Wales? And so, we're just combating these two groups that are both in need of housing, when the issue itself is what needs to be resolved in supporting people who do actually deserve to have housing. We should have enough appropriate housing for everybody to live a safe life. Diolch. Felly, a fyddech chi'n cytuno na ddylem osod y broblem honno ar bobl fwy agored i niwed, yn enwedig pobl sy'n ceisio lloches yn y Deyrnas Unedig ac yn dod i ben eu taith yng Nghymru? Ac felly, rydym yn brwydro yn erbyn y ddau grŵp hyn sydd ill dau angen tai, er mai'r broblem ei hun yw'r hyn sydd angen ei ddatrys drwy gefnogi pobl sy'n haeddu cael tai. Dylai fod gennym ddigon o dai priodol i bawb fyw bywyd diogel. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776964 361 En 2026-10-07T17:22:29 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16106&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16106&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John If we had unlimited money, I'd agree with you, but we don't have unlimited money and we have vulnerable people in this country. They should be prioritised. In Gwynedd alone, we have over 2,000 local people in need of social housing, often waiting for over two years. This motion will simply ensure people who already belong to this country have priority. Reform has been clear. Foreign nationals should not be in social housing. The order of priority should be British families with children, British veterans, British workers. This motion simply asks the Government to stop pretending that eligibility is somebody else's problem, even as constituents are pushed aside. Pe bai gennym arian diderfyn, buaswn yn cytuno, ond nid oes gennym arian diderfyn ac mae gennym bobl agored i niwed yn y wlad hon. Dylid eu blaenoriaethu nhw. Yng Ngwynedd yn unig, mae gennym dros 2,000 o bobl leol sydd angen tai cymdeithasol, pobl sy'n aml yn aros am fwy na dwy flynedd. Bydd y cynnig hwn yn sicrhau bod pobl sydd eisoes yn perthyn i'r wlad hon yn cael blaenoriaeth. Mae Reform wedi bod yn glir. Ni ddylai gwladolion tramor fod mewn tai cymdeithasol. Dylai trefn blaenoriaeth olygu teuluoedd Prydeinig â phlant, cyn-filwyr Prydeinig, gweithwyr Prydeinig. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn gofyn i'r Llywodraeth roi'r gorau i esgus bod cymhwystra'n broblem i rywun arall, hyd yn oed wrth i etholwyr gael eu gwthio o'r neilltu. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776968 362 En 2026-10-07T17:23:14 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16151&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16151&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew Just a quick one, sorry. Just to look at the actual wording of the motion, which says that you would 'end access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals'. I just wanted to pick up on a point that I would have said earlier on. I believe you're Canadian originally, so—. Well, sorry, I'm not sure. Or there are other members of your group who weren't necessarily from here. [Interruption.] But this motion—. Originally, originally. But this motion would say— Un cyflym, mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Wrth edrych ar union eiriad y cynnig, sy'n dweud y byddech chi'n 'rhoi terfyn ar allu gwladolion tramor i gael mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol'. Roeddwn eisiau mynd ar drywydd pwynt y buaswn wedi ei ddweud yn gynharach. Rwy'n credu eich bod chi'n dod o Ganada yn wreiddiol, felly—. Wel, mae'n ddrwg gennyf, nid wyf yn siŵr. Neu a oes yna aelodau eraill o'ch grŵp nad ydynt o reidrwydd o'r fan hon. [Torri ar draws.] Ond mae'r cynnig hwn—. Yn wreiddiol, yn wreiddiol. Ond byddai'r cynnig hwn yn dweud— 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776975 363 En 2026-10-07T17:23:44 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16181&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16181&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John Originally?  Yn wreiddiol? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776985 364 En 2026-10-07T17:23:45 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16182&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16182&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew Yes, originally. Ie, yn wreiddiol. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776976 365 En 2026-10-07T17:23:45 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16182&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16182&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John I'm not a Canadian at all. [Laughter.] Nid wyf i'n dod o Ganada o gwbl. [Chwerthin.] 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776977 366 En 2026-10-07T17:23:46 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16183&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16183&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew Sorry, sorry. The point I'm trying to make, and I'll try to make it succinctly, is that under this, if this passed, you would not be allowed to be in a HMO. Is that right, that you would not be allowed to live in a HMO? Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Y pwynt rwy'n ceisio ei wneud, ac fe geisiaf ei wneud yn gryno, yw na fyddech chi'n cael bod mewn tŷ amlfeddiannaeth pe bai'r cynnig hwn yn cael ei dderbyn. A yw hynny'n gywir, na fyddech chi'n cael byw mewn tŷ amlfeddiannaeth? 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776980 367 En 2026-10-07T17:24:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16199&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16199&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw The point is made.  Fe wnaed y pwynt. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776981 368 En 2026-10-07T17:24:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16199&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16199&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John My mother is Heulwen Roberts from Llangefni. My father—[Inaudible.] Fy mam yw Heulwen Roberts o Langefni. Fy nhad—[Anghlywadwy.] 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776982 369 En 2026-10-07T17:24:04 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16201&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16201&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12151 12151 Matthew Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12151 Jones, Matthew I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know that. I didn't mean to offend you.  Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, mae'n ddrwg gennyf, nid oeddwn yn gwybod hynny. Nid oeddwn yn bwriadu eich tramgwyddo. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776984 370 En 2026-10-07T17:24:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16204&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16204&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John —from Manchester. The order of priority should be British—. Well, actually, where Westminster—. Okay, this motion simply asks the Government to stop pretending that eligibility is somebody else's problem. Where Westminster holds the power to act, this Government must use its influence to ensure Westminster respects the interests of the Welsh people. The Senedd could also make it harder to dodge the local connection test for housing. Gwynedd already uses one: five years residence, or a close family member resident for 10 years, or five years of work in the community. We could set a Wales-wide minimum qualification period, stop short placement counting as a connection, and require a local connection to outweigh other factors. Some Members may try and claim that this is unfair. I will tell you what is unfair. It is unfair that a person who has paid tax into the system for decades can wait longer for housing than somebody who has just arrived. It is unfair that a street in Bangor absorbs the disorder while people who designed the nation of sanctuary live nowhere near it. It is dishonest to pretend that every arrival is a net contributor. Some are; many in the HMO system are not. A housing policy that cannot tell the difference or simply ignores these outcomes is not compassion; it is an invoice sent to my constituents, paid not only with money but also by sacrificing community cohesion. In a world where Government is spending more than it can afford, where the reality of scarcity is a growing fact of life, the moral duty is first to our people and then to the people of the world. This choice is now becoming acute and urgent. HMOs must not be used as a solution for our failure to control our borders. We have done more than enough. The test now is whether this Chamber will say so. I support this motion. —o Fanceinion. Dylai trefn y flaenoriaeth olygu pobl Brydeinig—. Wel, mewn gwirionedd, lle mae San Steffan—. Iawn, mae'r cynnig hwn yn gofyn i'r Llywodraeth roi'r gorau i esgus bod cymhwystra'n broblem i rywun arall. Lle mae gan San Steffan bŵer i weithredu, rhaid i'r Llywodraeth hon ddefnyddio ei dylanwad i sicrhau bod San Steffan yn parchu buddiannau pobl Cymru. Gallai'r Senedd hefyd ei gwneud hi'n anos osgoi'r prawf cysylltiad lleol ar gyfer tai. Mae Gwynedd eisoes yn defnyddio un: pum mlynedd o breswyliad, neu aelod agos o'r teulu sydd wedi preswylio ers 10 mlynedd, neu bum mlynedd o waith yn y gymuned. Gallwn osod isafswm cyfnod cymhwystra ledled Cymru, rhoi'r gorau i gyfrif lleoliad byr fel cysylltiad, a gwneud cysylltiad lleol yn ofynnol i orbwyso ffactorau eraill. Efallai y bydd rhai Aelodau'n ceisio honni bod hyn yn annheg. Fe ddywedaf wrthych beth sy'n annheg. Mae'n annheg fod unigolyn sydd wedi talu treth i mewn i'r system ers degawdau yn gallu aros yn hirach am dŷ na rhywun sydd newydd gyrraedd. Mae'n annheg fod stryd ym Mangor yn amsugno'r anhrefn tra nad yw'r bobl a gynlluniodd y genedl noddfa'n byw unman yn agos at yr anhrefn hwnnw. Mae'n anonest esgus bod pob unigolyn sy'n cyrraedd yn gyfrannwr net. Mae rhai; mae llawer yn y system dai amlfeddiannaeth nad ydynt yn gyfranwyr net. Nid tosturi yw polisi tai nad yw'n gallu gwahaniaethu rhwng, neu sy'n anwybyddu'r canlyniadau hyn; mae'n anfoneb a anfonir at fy etholwyr, a delir nid yn unig gydag arian ond hefyd trwy aberthu cydlyniant cymunedol. Mewn byd lle mae Llywodraeth yn gwario mwy nag y gall ei fforddio, lle mae realiti prinder yn ffaith bywyd gynyddol, mae'r ddyletswydd foesol yn gyntaf i'n pobl ni ac yna i bobl y byd. Mae'r dewis hwn bellach yn dod yn acíwt ac yn fater o frys. Ni ddylid defnyddio tai amlfeddiannaeth fel ateb i'n methiant i reoli ein ffiniau. Rydym wedi gwneud mwy na digon. Y prawf nawr yw a fydd y Siambr hon yn dweud hynny. Rwy'n cefnogi'r cynnig hwn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776938 371 En 2026-10-07T17:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16257&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16257&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776958 372 En 2026-10-07T17:26:17 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16334&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16334&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5025 5025 Anthony Slaughter AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5025 Slaughter, Anthony I will try and be brief because I fear that just like this isn't the first time we've ended our day having this sort of debate, it won't be the last time that we have to stand up at the end of the day and rebut this ugly, divisive and hateful rhetoric. I am ashamed that we have to keep having this discussion. Going back to something that was said earlier today by the Minister: everyone has the right to a safe and adequate home. Everyone. Without it, how can you begin to build a life? How can you begin to participate and contribute to society? How can you begin to choose to call Wales your home as so many of us have? I repeat: the right to safe and adequate housing for everyone is a key test for this Senedd. As I say, it's disappointing to see yet again more divisive rhetoric from the usual suspects in this Siambr, who are using—[Interruption.]—I can shout louder than you, believe me—what is a basic human right to stoke fear in our communities and cause division. Shame on you. When we say HMOs, the image that might come to mind may not be particularly pretty. But this image of what can be some of the worst quality, unsafe, overcrowded homes is now being used by Reform once again to scaremonger people about perceived dangers in their communities. The situation in some HMOs isn't ideal. That doesn't take anything away from the fact that everyone deserves a place to live—a safe, secure and warm place to live. Due to the lack of social homes that so many of our colleagues have mentioned, people are stuck in the cheapest, inadequate private housing options. And Reform are disgracefully arguing again that we need to look after our own—what do the words even mean—while ignoring the fundamental problem that there are not enough good-quality, affordable homes for everyone who needs one. And I would like to pay credit again to the housing Minister for making that point so clearly earlier on today. Foreign nationals or not, everyone needs somewhere to live. It is their human right. We need more social housing that meets the needs of everyone in our communities. Scarcity must not be used to pit communities against one another. This motion is nonsensical, hateful and inflammatory. And words have real consequences. I have said this time and time again in this Siambr, but, sadly, it bears repeating. [Interruption.] No. Divisive rhetoric, such as we've heard today, only stands to cause division in our communities. And this fearmongering is the sort of thing that leads people to feel even more unsafe in their homes and communities than they already do. People across Wales see this for what it is. They see you for what you're saying. I represent the most diverse constituency in Wales, and its diversity makes Cardiff what it is today. People from around the world have chosen to make Cardiff their home, and the people of Cardiff will not allow you to divide our communities. People, time and time again, have stood up to this divisive rhetoric and shown solidarity with their neighbours. Reform are not interested in community cohesion. Reform are not interested in finding housing solutions. Reform are only interested in dividing our communities to distract from the fact that you have no answers to the problems facing the people of Wales. Diolch. Fe geisiaf fod yn fyr oherwydd, er nad dyma'r tro cyntaf inni orffen ein diwrnod gyda dadl o'r fath, rwy'n ofni nad dyma fydd y tro olaf inni godi ar ddiwedd y dydd a gwrthsefyll y rhethreg hyll, ymrannol ac atgas hon. Mae arnaf gywilydd fod yn rhaid inni barhau i gael y drafodaeth hon. I fynd yn ôl at rywbeth a ddywedwyd yn gynharach heddiw gan y Gweinidog: mae gan bawb hawl i gartref diogel a digonol. Pawb. Hebddo, sut y gallwch chi ddechrau adeiladu bywyd? Sut y gallwch chi ddechrau cyfranogi a chyfrannu at gymdeithas? Sut y gallwch chi ddechrau dewis galw Cymru yn gartref fel y mae cymaint ohonom wedi'i wneud? Rwy'n ailadrodd: mae'r hawl i dai diogel a digonol i bawb yn brawf allweddol i'r Senedd hon. Fel y dywedais, mae'n siomedig gweld mwy o rethreg ymrannol unwaith eto gan yr un hen rai yn y Siambr hon, sy'n defnyddio—[Torri ar draws.]—gallaf weiddi'n uwch na chi, credwch fi—yr hyn sy'n hawl ddynol sylfaenol i godi bwganod yn ein cymunedau ac achosi ymraniad. Cywilydd arnoch chi. Pan fyddwn yn dweud tai amlfeddiannaeth, efallai nad yw'r ddelwedd a allai ddod i'r meddwl yn arbennig o brydferth. Ond mae'r darlun o'r hyn a all fod yn rhai o'r cartrefi gwaethaf eu hansawdd, cartrefi anniogel a gorlawn, bellach yn cael ei ddefnyddio gan Reform unwaith eto i godi bwganod am beryglon canfyddedig yn eu cymunedau. Nid yw'r sefyllfa mewn rhai tai amlfeddiannaeth yn ddelfrydol. Nid yw hynny'n tynnu oddi wrth y ffaith bod pawb yn haeddu lle i fyw—lle saff, diogel a chynnes i fyw. Oherwydd y diffyg cartrefi cymdeithasol y mae cymaint o'n cyd-Aelodau wedi'i grybwyll, mae pobl yn gyfyngedig i'r opsiynau tai preifat rhataf ac annigonol. Ac yn gywilyddus, mae Reform yn dadlau eto fod angen inni edrych ar ôl ein pobl ein hunain—beth yw ystyr y geiriau hyd yn oed—gan anwybyddu'r broblem sylfaenol nad oes digon o gartrefi fforddiadwy o ansawdd da i bawb sydd angen un. A hoffwn dalu clod eto i'r Gweinidog tai am wneud y pwynt hwnnw mor glir yn gynharach heddiw. Gwladolion tramor neu beidio, mae angen rhywle i fyw ar bawb. Dyna yw eu hawl ddynol. Mae angen mwy o dai cymdeithasol arnom sy'n diwallu anghenion pawb yn ein cymunedau. Ni ddylid defnyddio prinder i osod cymunedau yn erbyn ei gilydd. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn nonsens, yn atgas ac yn ymfflamychol. Ac mae canlyniadau go iawn i eiriau. Rwyf wedi dweud hyn dro ar ôl tro yn y Siambr hon, ond yn anffodus, rhaid ei ailadrodd. [Torri ar draws.] Na. Nid yw rhethreg ymrannol, fel yr hyn a glywsom heddiw, ond yn achosi rhaniadau yn ein cymunedau. A chodi bwganod yn y ffordd hon yw'r math o beth sy'n arwain pobl i deimlo hyd yn oed yn fwy anniogel yn eu cartrefi a'u cymunedau. Mae pobl ledled Cymru yn gweld hyn am yr hyn ydyw. Maent yn eich gweld chi am yr hyn rydych chi'n ei ddweud. Rwy'n cynrychioli'r etholaeth fwyaf amrywiol yng Nghymru, a'i hamrywiaeth sy'n gwneud Caerdydd yr hyn ydyw heddiw. Mae pobl o bob cwr o'r byd wedi dewis gwneud Caerdydd yn gartref iddynt, ac ni fydd pobl Caerdydd yn caniatáu i chi rannu ein cymunedau. Mae pobl, dro ar ôl tro, wedi gwrthsefyll y rhethreg ymrannol hon ac wedi dangos undod â'u cymdogion. Nid oes gan Reform ddiddordeb mewn cydlyniant cymunedol. Nid oes gan Reform ddiddordeb mewn dod o hyd i atebion tai. Nid oes gan Reform ddiddordeb mewn dim heblaw rhannu ein cymunedau i dynnu sylw oddi wrth y ffaith nad oes gennych chi atebion i'r problemau sy'n wynebu pobl Cymru. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776956 373 En 2026-10-07T17:30:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16557&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16557&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776959 374 En 2026-10-07T17:30:45 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16602&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16602&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 350 350 Marc Jones AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=350 Jones, Marc I want to focus on the HMO element of this debate. My family and I live next door to a HMO and have done for the past 15 years. One in five of the homes in our street is a HMO. HMOs are private houses, not subsidised, and it's odd that a political party that professes to be for the free market should seek to limit that housing market. But I'll come back to why this is such an odd debate. In a past life, I was vice-chair of planning on Wrexham council, and the issues of HMOs have been a hot potato for more than a decade—not for the reasons stated by the people over there, but because an overconcentration of HMOs can impact a community in terms of overdevelopment, highway matters and waste disposal. Houses in multiple occupation are a small but integral part of the housing mix. They provide accommodation for people who can't afford a house or a flat, and there are loads of reasons for that. Let's hope that no-one here loses their job or income. Let's hope that no-one here has a health issue. Let's hope that no-one here has a messy divorce, a breakdown in the family or, God forbid, is forced to flee domestic violence or coercive control. These are all issues that can lead people to look for a housing option that suits them temporarily. I won't go into other issues, because Kiera Marshall and Peter Fox have very eloquently mentioned them, but I'll mention one: students living away from home are living in HMOs. Does the Member want to prevent all foreign students from having accommodation? Do you? Perhaps you can talk to the vice-chancellors about what that would do to our Welsh universities. As it happens, the owner of the HMO next to me is a responsible landlord, but there are unscrupulous landlords who are cramming in as many people as possible to maximise profits. That's the real issue with HMOs. In the wrong hands and without sufficient oversight, they become dumping grounds for people with very real problems of substance misuse and mental health issues, but without any support. You don't care about that, obviously. You're just concerned about the people who look and sound different to you. People in my town are paying £87.50 a week for a shared room. There are eight other people in the house, with no communal space, apart from a family kitchen and a small back garden. That's not the fault of tenants, it's the fault of those unscrupulous landlords who fail to treat tenants as human beings. And these are working people, not on benefits. They're nurses, they're care workers, they're people I hear getting up at 6 o'clock in the morning to go to the industrial estate. I said earlier that this focus on a certain type of housing was odd. I think we know why—people have told us why very eloquently. The track record of the party involved is all about seeking to divide and rule, fuelled by hatred, not compassion. Since the UK Government moved from housing asylum seekers and refugees in hotels—I believe there's one hotel in the whole of Wales now—those who were busy rioting, burning and hating outside those hotels have looked for a new focus, and they've found it, haven't they, in HMOs. Like those unscrupulous landlords, they don't see the people who live in HMOs as human beings; they see them as inferior, as problems. What we've seen today is people deliberately conflating foreign nationals with asylum seekers, deliberately conflating people on benefits with foreign nationals. It's a mess of a debate. It's scaremongering and demonising for clickbait and social media. It's not a serious proposition; it virtue signals their hatred for people who look different, who sound different. It could be written in crayon. Hoffwn ganolbwyntio ar elfen tai amlfeddiannaeth y ddadl hon. Mae fy nheulu a minnau wedi byw drws nesaf i dŷ amlfeddiannaeth ers 15 mlynedd. Mae un o bob pump cartref yn ein stryd yn dŷ amlfeddiannaeth. Tai preifat yw tai amlfeddiannaeth, nid tai cymorthdaledig, ac mae'n rhyfedd fod plaid wleidyddol sy'n honni ei bod o blaid y farchnad rydd yn ceisio cyfyngu ar y farchnad dai honno. Ond dof yn ôl at pam fod hon yn ddadl mor rhyfedd. Mewn bywyd blaenorol, roeddwn yn is-gadeirydd cynllunio ar gyngor Wrecsam, ac mae materion tai amlfeddiannaeth wedi bod yn destun trafod ers dros ddegawd—nid am y rhesymau a nodwyd gan y bobl draw acw, ond oherwydd bod gorgrynhoad o dai amlfeddiannaeth yn gallu effeithio ar gymuned o ran gorddatblygu, materion priffyrdd a gwaredu gwastraff. Mae tai amlfeddiannaeth yn rhan fach ond annatod o'r cymysgedd tai. Maent yn darparu llety i bobl na allant fforddio tŷ na fflat, ac mae llu o resymau dros hynny. Gadewch inni obeithio nad oes unrhyw un yma'n colli eu swydd na'u hincwm. Gadewch inni obeithio nad oes gan unrhyw un yma broblem iechyd. Gadewch inni obeithio nad oes unrhyw un yma'n cael ysgariad blêr, chwalfa deuluol, neu Duw a'n gwaredo, yn cael eu gorfodi i ffoi rhag trais domestig neu reolaeth drwy orfodaeth. Mae'r rhain oll yn faterion a all arwain pobl i chwilio am opsiwn tai sy'n addas ar eu cyfer dros dro. Nid wyf am drafod materion eraill, am fod Kiera Marshall a Peter Fox wedi sôn amdanynt yn huawdl iawn, ond fe soniaf am un: mae myfyrwyr sy'n byw oddi cartref yn byw mewn tai amlfeddiannaeth. A yw'r Aelod eisiau atal pob myfyriwr tramor rhag cael llety? Ydych chi? Efallai y gallwch siarad â'r is-gangellorion ynglŷn â’r hyn y byddai hynny'n ei wneud i'n prifysgolion yng Nghymru. Fel y mae'n digwydd, mae perchennog y tŷ amlfeddiannaeth drws nesaf i mi yn landlord cyfrifol, ond mae rhai landlordiaid diegwyddor yn gwasgu cymaint o bobl â phosibl i mewn i dŷ er mwyn gwneud mwy o elw. Dyna'r broblem go iawn gyda thai amlfeddiannaeth. Yn y dwylo anghywir a heb ddigon o oruchwyliaeth, maent yn dod yn feysydd dympio i bobl â phroblemau real iawn fel camddefnyddio sylweddau a phroblemau iechyd meddwl, ond heb unrhyw gefnogaeth. Mae'n amlwg nad ydych yn poeni am hynny. Rydych chi'n poeni am y bobl sy'n edrych ac yn swnio'n wahanol i chi. Mae pobl yn fy nhref i'n talu £87.50 yr wythnos am ystafell a rennir. Mae wyth o bobl eraill yn y tŷ, heb unrhyw le cymunedol, ar wahân i gegin deuluol a gardd gefn fach. Nid bai'r tenantiaid yw hynny, ond bai landlordiaid diegwyddor nad ydynt yn trin tenantiaid fel bodau dynol. Ac mae'r rhain yn bobl sy'n gweithio, nid ar fudd-daliadau. Maent yn nyrsys, maent yn weithwyr gofal, maent yn bobl rwy'n eu clywed yn codi am 6 o'r gloch y bore i fynd i'r ystad ddiwydiannol. Dywedais yn gynharach fod y ffocws hwn ar fath penodol o dai yn rhyfedd. Rwy'n credu ein bod yn gwybod pam—mae pobl wedi dweud wrthym yn huawdl iawn pam. Ceisio rhannu a rheoli yw hanes y blaid dan sylw, wedi'u tanio gan gasineb, nid tosturi. Ers i Lywodraeth y DU newid o gartrefu ceiswyr lloches a ffoaduriaid mewn gwestai—rwy'n credu mai un gwesty sydd yna yng Nghymru gyfan nawr—mae'r rhai a fu'n brysur yn codi twrw, yn llosgi ac yn casáu y tu allan i'r gwestai hynny wedi chwilio am ffocws newydd, ac maent wedi dod o hyd iddo, onid ydynt, ar ffurf tai amlfeddiannaeth. Fel y landlordiaid diegwyddor hynny, nid ydynt yn gweld y bobl sy'n byw mewn tai amlfeddiannaeth fel bodau dynol; maent yn eu gweld fel pobl israddol, fel problemau. Yr hyn a welsom heddiw yw pobl yn fwriadol yn trafod gwladolion tramor a cheiswyr lloches fel pe baent yr un peth, yn fwriadol yn trafod pobl ar fudd-daliadau a gwladolion tramor fel pe baent yr un peth. Mae'n llanast o ddadl. Maent yn codi bwganod ac yn demoneiddio yn enw abwyd clicio a'r cyfryngau cymdeithasol. Nid yw'n gynnig difrifol; mae'n arwyddo'u casineb at bobl sy'n edrych yn wahanol, sy'n swnio'n wahanol. Gallai fod wedi'i ysgrifennu mewn creon. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776952 375 En 2026-10-07T17:35:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16857&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776972 376 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776973 377 En 2026-10-07T17:39:26 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17123&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17123&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776957 378 En 2026-10-07T17:35:21 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=16878&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=16878&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12180 12180 Paul Marr AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12180 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12180 Marr, Paul Before I begin, can I just say that the huge numbers of people who put these Members in these seats to represent their views need to have those views heard? Because you don't like them doesn't mean to say that those views are irrelevant. There have been enough interventions this afternoon to try and stop those views from being heard, so politely and respectfully, I won't be taking any during my speech. Many of my constituents ask a simple question, Llywydd: who is housing for in Wales? They work, pay their taxes and raise their families here, yet when they need a secure, affordable home, too often the answer is to keep waiting. Shelter Cymru's 2025 research estimated that around 170,000 people, including approximately 45,000 children, are represented on social housing waiting lists. At the building rate used in that report, providing enough additional homes to meet that demand would take more than 35 years. That is a generation of unmet need. Children grow up, families struggle, people put their lives on hold, while the Government produces another promise. Shelter Cymru attributes this crisis to decades of failing to build enough social homes. On that, they are right. But acknowledging that failure does not remove the need to make choices today. Building more homes and deciding who has access to them are both responsibilities of this Government. We must build more, faster, but construction takes time and our constituents need help now. Where homes are scarce, eligibility matters, priorities matter and British taxpayers are entitled to ask whether the system that they support puts their needs first. My answer is that it should. That includes British citizens who cannot work through disability, those caring for relatives, pensioners, children and, of course, our veterans. Putting our citizens first must mean protecting those who need support, as well as recognising those whose taxes sustain it.  In Ceredigion Penfro, constituents tell me that they have worked here and paid in all of their working lives and raised families here, and still, they are told to wait. They deserve more than sympathy; they deserve a clear priority in housing policy. That goes beyond asylum accommodation, and we should say so plainly. The argument is about housing capacity and national priorities, not claiming that somebody's nationality determines their character. Social housing is scarce. Reform UK believe that access should be reserved for British citizens. On HMOs, our stance is clear: immigration policy must reflect housing capacity and British citizens must come first. The Welsh and UK Governments must work together to deliver that policy with clear rules, a managed transition and firm enforcement. Constituents have also raised concerns about what they describe—and these are my constituents' concerns—as asylum seekers arriving in HMOs after dark, with little explanation to neighbours. Arriving after dark does not establish wrongdoing, but silence from those responsible leaves fears growing and questions unanswered. Residents deserve information about management, occupancy, safeguards and who will respond when concerns arise. Those responsibilities apply whatever eligibility rules are adopted. Restricting access cannot replace proper enforcement. British taxpayers should not be an afterthought in the housing system that they sustain. That is why I support this motion. Build more homes, put British citizens first and make the Government answer for the decisions that it takes. Cyn imi ddechrau, a gaf i ddweud bod angen i'r niferoedd enfawr o bobl a roddodd yr Aelodau hyn yn y seddau hyn i gynrychioli eu safbwyntiau gael y safbwyntiau hynny wedi eu clywed? Nid yw'r ffaith nad ydych chi'n eu hoffi yn golygu bod y safbwyntiau hynny'n amherthnasol. Cafwyd digon o ymyriadau y prynhawn yma i geisio atal y safbwyntiau hynny rhag cael eu clywed, felly yn gwrtais ac yn barchus, ni fyddaf yn derbyn unrhyw ymyriadau eraill yn ystod fy araith. Mae llawer o fy etholwyr yn gofyn cwestiwn syml, Lywydd: ar gyfer pwy y mae tai yng Nghymru? Maent yn gweithio, yn talu eu trethi ac yn magu eu teuluoedd yma, ond pan fydd angen cartref diogel a fforddiadwy arnynt, yr ateb yn rhy aml yw dal ati i aros. Amcangyfrifodd ymchwil Shelter Cymru yn 2025 fod oddeutu 170,000 o bobl, gan gynnwys oddeutu 45,000 o blant, ar restrau aros am dai cymdeithasol. Ar y gyfradd adeiladu a ddefnyddiwyd yn yr adroddiad hwnnw, byddai darparu digon o gartrefi ychwanegol i ateb y galw hwnnw'n cymryd mwy na 35 mlynedd. Dyna genhedlaeth o angen heb ei ddiwallu. Mae plant yn tyfu i fyny, mae teuluoedd yn ei chael hi'n anodd, mae pobl yn rhoi eu bywydau ar stop, tra bo'r Llywodraeth yn cynhyrchu addewid arall. Mae Shelter Cymru yn rhoi'r bai am yr argyfwng hwn ar ddegawdau o fethu adeiladu digon o dai cymdeithasol. Ar hynny, maent yn gywir. Ond nid yw cydnabod y methiant hwnnw'n dileu'r angen i wneud dewisiadau heddiw. Mae adeiladu mwy o gartrefi a phenderfynu pwy sydd â mynediad atynt yn gyfrifoldebau i'r Llywodraeth hon. Mae’n rhaid inni adeiladu mwy, yn gyflymach, ond mae adeiladu'n cymryd amser ac mae angen cymorth ar ein hetholwyr nawr. Lle mae cartrefi'n brin, mae cymhwystra'n bwysig, mae blaenoriaethau'n bwysig ac mae gan drethdalwyr Prydain hawl i ofyn a yw'r system y maent yn ei chefnogi yn rhoi eu hanghenion nhw yn gyntaf. Fy ateb i yw y dylai. Mae hynny'n cynnwys dinasyddion Prydeinig na allant weithio oherwydd anabledd, y rhai sy'n gofalu am berthnasau, pensiynwyr, plant, ac wrth gwrs, ein cyn-filwyr. Mae'n rhaid i roi ein dinasyddion yn gyntaf olygu diogelu'r rhai sydd angen cymorth, yn ogystal â chydnabod y rhai y mae eu trethi yn cynnal y cymorth hwnnw. Yng Ngheredigion Penfro, dywed etholwyr wrthyf eu bod wedi gweithio yma ac wedi bod yn talu drwy gydol eu hoes waith ac wedi magu teuluoedd yma, ac eto, dywedir wrthynt am ddal ati i aros. Maent yn haeddu mwy na chydymdeimlad; maent yn haeddu blaenoriaeth glir mewn polisi tai. Mae hynny'n mynd y tu hwnt i lety lloches, a dylem ddweud hynny'n blwmp ac yn blaen. Mae a wnelo'r ddadl â chapasiti tai a blaenoriaethau cenedlaethol, nid honni bod cenedligrwydd rhywun yn diffinio eu cymeriad. Mae tai cymdeithasol yn brin. Mae Reform UK yn credu y dylid cadw mynediad ar gyfer dinasyddion Prydeinig. Ar dai amlfeddiannaeth, mae ein safbwynt yn glir: rhaid i bolisi mewnfudo adlewyrchu capasiti tai a rhaid rhoi dinasyddion Prydeinig yn gyntaf. Rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth y DU gydweithio i gyflawni'r polisi hwnnw gyda rheolau clir, cyfnod pontio wedi'i reoli a gorfodaeth gadarn. Mae etholwyr hefyd wedi codi pryderon ynghylch yr hyn y maent yn ei ddisgrifio—a dyma bryderon fy etholwyr—fel ceiswyr lloches yn cyrraedd tai amlfeddiannaeth ar ôl iddi nosi, heb fawr o esboniad i gymdogion. Nid yw cyrraedd ar ôl iddi nosi yn gamwedd, ond mae distawrwydd gan y rhai sy'n gyfrifol yn peri i ofnau dyfu ac yn gadael cwestiynau heb eu hateb. Mae preswylwyr yn haeddu gwybodaeth am reolaeth, meddiannaeth, mesurau diogelwch a phwy fydd yn ymateb pan fydd pryderon yn codi. Mae'r cyfrifoldebau hynny'n berthnasol pa bynnag reolau cymhwystra a gaiff eu mabwysiadu. Ni all cyfyngu mynediad gymryd lle gorfodaeth briodol. Ni ddylai trethdalwyr Prydeinig fod yn ôl-ystyriaeth yn y system dai y maent yn ei chynnal. Dyna pam fy mod yn cefnogi'r cynnig hwn. Adeiladwch fwy o gartrefi, rhowch ddinasyddion Prydeinig yn gyntaf a gwnewch y Llywodraeth yn atebol am y penderfyniadau y mae'n eu gwneud. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776967 379 En 2026-10-07T17:39:16 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17113&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17113&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Unfortunately, I will not be able to call all Members in this debate within the time allocated for it. Before I call on the Cabinet Minister to respond, I understand that we may have a point of order. Yn anffodus, ni fyddaf yn gallu galw pob Aelod yn y ddadl hon o fewn yr amser a neilltuwyd ar ei chyfer. Cyn imi alw ar y Gweinidog Cabinet i ymateb, rwy'n deall y gallai fod gennym bwynt o drefn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776974 380 En 2026-10-07T17:39:32 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17129&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17129&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12140 12140 Dafydd Trystan Davies AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12140 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12140 Trystan Davies, Dafydd Llywydd, I'd like to raise a point of order about the proposing Member's speech at the beginning. I believe that there was an error of fact and I invite the Member, in her response, to correct that. There was a conflation of nation, nationality and citizenship. The census provides us with accurate data on social rented housing in Cardiff and can be accessed by all Members on the census website. Of social rented housing, there were 19,400 UK passport holders, and 1,800—less than 10 per cent—who held other passports. Of rented from the local authority, there were 19,605 UK passport holders. Other passport holders were 1,848. So, I invite the Member, as a matter of order, to correct the record. Passport holders are those numbers. I believe the Member was talking about self-described nationality. Diolch, Lywydd. Lywydd, hoffwn godi pwynt o drefn ynglŷn ag araith yr Aelod a wnaeth y cynnig ar y dechrau. Credaf fod yno gamgymeriad ffeithiol ac rwy'n gwahodd yr Aelod, yn ei hymateb, i gywiro hynny. Roedd yn trafod cenedl, cenedligrwydd a dinasyddiaeth fel pe baent yr un peth. Mae'r cyfrifiad yn rhoi data cywir i ni ar dai rhent cymdeithasol yng Nghaerdydd, a gall pob Aelod ddod o hyd iddo ar wefan y cyfrifiad. O ran tai rhent cymdeithasol, roedd 19,400 o ddeiliaid pasbort y DU, a 1,800—llai na 10 y cant—yn ddeiliad pasbortau eraill. O ran tai rhent yr awdurdod lleol, roedd 19,605 yn ddeiliaid pasbort y DU. Roedd 1,848 yn ddeiliaid pasbortau eraill. Felly, rwy'n gwahodd yr Aelod, fel mater o drefn, i gywiro'r cofnod. Deiliaid pasbort yw'r niferoedd hynny. Rwy'n credu bod yr Aelod yn sôn am genedligrwydd hunanddiffiniedig. Diolch, Lywydd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776960 381 En 2026-10-07T17:40:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17157&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17157&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776965 382 En 2026-10-07T17:40:35 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17192&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17192&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Before the Member chooses whether to respond, first of all, thanks for flagging the point of order. You rightly identify this as a factual correction that you were putting forward. As such, this is not a matter for me. But I will give the Member the opportunity to clarify the remarks if she wishes to do so. Cyn i'r Aelod ddewis ymateb ai peidio, yn gyntaf oll, diolch am dynnu sylw at y pwynt o drefn. Rydych chi'n nodi hyn, yn gywir ddigon, fel cywiriad ffeithiol roeddech chi'n ei gyflwyno. Felly, nid mater i mi yw hwn. Ond fe roddaf gyfle i'r Aelod egluro'r sylwadau os yw'n dymuno gwneud hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776966 383 En 2026-10-07T17:40:59 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17216&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17216&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12190 12190 Francesca O'Brien AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12190 O'Brien, Francesca I'm happy to follow up with the data, Llywydd. Thank you. Rwy'n fwy na pharod i fynd ar drywydd y data, Lywydd. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776969 384 En 2026-10-07T17:41:06 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17223&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17223&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you.  Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776971 385 Cy 2026-10-07T17:41:09 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17226&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17226&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf nawr ar y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio, Siân Gwenllian. I now call on the Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning, Siân Gwenllian. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776983 386 Cy 2026-10-07T17:41:16 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17233&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17233&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Cabinet Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning Y Gweinidog Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol, Tai a Chynllunio Gwenllian, Sian Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. Dwi'n gwrthod y cynnig yma yn gryf. Diolch i Lynne Neagle am gydgyflwyno'r gwelliant. Dwi'n falch o gydweithio ar fater mor bwysig. Mae nod y Llywodraeth yma yn glir. Dylai pawb yng Nghymru gael mynediad at gartref diogel, cynnes a fforddiadwy. Fe all tai amlfeddianaeth, HMOs, o ansawdd da chwarae rhan yn hynny, cyn belled â'u bod yn cael eu rheoleiddio a'u rheoli'n lleol. Rhaid i benderfyniadau am dai cymdeithasol ddilyn ein fframwaith cyfreithiol, a rhaid iddyn nhw fod yn deg ac yn adlewyrchu'r angen am dai—hynny ydy, anghenion pawb sy'n gymwys yn gyfreithiol i fyw yma yng Nghymru. Dwi yn deall y rhwystredigaeth sy'n cael ei hachosi drwy aros yn hir am dai a gan gartrefi sy'n cael eu rheoli'n wael. Yr ateb ydy cynyddu'r cyflenwad o dai cyhoeddus, atal digartrefedd, cynnal safonau a chefnogi awdurdodau lleol, nid rhannu cymunedau na gosod grwpiau o bobl yn erbyn ei gilydd. Mae'r ciw am gartrefi cymdeithasol yn rhy hir, ond peidiwch â chreu rhaniadau diangen. Peidiwch â gosod pobl mewn angen yn erbyn ei gilydd. Yn hytrach, gweithiwn efo'n gilydd i greu mwy o gartrefi cyhoeddus i Gymru. Thank you very much, Llywydd. I strongly reject this motion. Thank you to Lynne Neagle for co-tabling the amendment. I was pleased to work with her on such an important issue. The Government's aim is clear. Everyone in Wales should have access to a safe, warm and affordable home. HMOs of good quality can play a part in that, as long as they are regulated and managed locally. Decisions on social housing must follow our legal framework, and they must be fair and reflect housing need—that is, the needs of everyone who legally qualifies to live here in Wales. I do understand the frustration that can be caused by long waits for housing and by poorly managed homes. The solution is to increase the supply of social housing, prevent homelessness, uphold standards and support local authorities, not to divide communities or to pit groups of people against each other. The queue for social housing is too long, but don't create unnecessary division. Don't pit people in need against each other. Rather, we should work together to create more social homes in Wales. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776986 387 En 2026-10-07T17:42:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17334&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17334&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Reform says, 'End access to social housing for foreign nationals.' That's your policy. Does that mean that families who have a legal right to be here—families and their children—would be asked to leave their homes, turfed out onto the streets? Well, yes, I got the answer from Joe Martin. He said exactly that. They'd have three months. They would have three months to leave. That is what you said. That is an inhumane proposition, and it's a very, very sad day for this Senedd to hear those comments. Mae Reform yn dweud y byddent yn 'rhoi diwedd ar fynediad at dai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor.' Dyna eich polisi. A yw hynny'n golygu y byddai gofyn i deuluoedd sydd â hawl gyfreithiol i fod yma—teuluoedd a'u plant—adael eu cartrefi, a chael eu taflu allan ar y strydoedd? Wel, wrth gwrs, fe gefais yr ateb gan Joe Martin. Dywedodd yn union hynny. Byddai ganddynt dri mis. Byddai ganddynt dri mis i adael. Dyna a ddywedoch chi. Mae hwnnw'n gynnig annynol, ac mae'n ddiwrnod trist iawn i'r Senedd hon glywed y sylwadau hynny. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776987 388 Cy 2026-10-07T17:43:40 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17377&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17377&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 4981 4981 Sian Gwenllian AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4981 Gwenllian, Sian Mae'r cynnig gan Reform yn galw am gyfyngu ar fynediad at dai cymdeithasol ar sail cenedligrwydd. Allwn ni ddim, wrth gwrs, gefnogi'r cynnig yma. Mae tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu dyrannu ar sail yr angen am dai ymhlith y rhai sy'n gymwys yn gyfreithiol. Dydyn nhw ddim yn cael eu dyrannu ar sail cenedligrwydd, ethnigrwydd na man geni. Mae deddfwriaeth eisoes yn rheoli'r hawl i gael tai cymdeithasol. Mae statws mewnfudo a man preswylio cyfreithlon eisoes yn ystyriaethau allweddol sy'n cael eu defnyddio i benderfynu ar gymhwystra rhywun. Dim ond pobl sydd â'r hawl i aros sydd yn gymwys i gael cymorth tai a thai cymdeithasol. Dydy tai cymdeithasol ddim yn cael eu dyrannu i bobl sy'n ceisio lloches. Rydyn ni wedi clywed hynna dro ar ôl tro. Mae Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig yn darparu llety dros dro tra bo cais yn cael ei ystyried. Os bydd rhywun yn cael statws ffoadur—a dwi'n atgoffa'r Aelodau fod hynny'n golygu bod Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig wedi canfod bod yr unigolyn wedi ffoi rhag rhyfel, ofn neu erledigaeth—yna gallan nhw wneud cais am gymorth tai o dan yr un rheolau ag aelwydydd eraill. Mae'r cynnig yma, felly, yn camliwio'r system bresennol. Mae'r her sy'n ein hwynebu ni yn ymwneud â chyflenwad tai, a'r ateb ydy adeiladu mwy o gartrefi a gwneud y defnydd gorau o'r cartrefi sydd ar gael. Lle mae polisi Reform ar gynyddu'r cyflenwad o dai cymdeithasol? Does gennych chi ddim polisi ynglŷn â hynny. Dydy pobl sydd yn chwilio am noddfa a phobl o wledydd eraill sy'n byw yn gyfreithlon yng Nghymru ddim yn cael unrhyw ffafriaeth o ran tai, a dydyn nhw ddim yn gyfrifol am y prinder tai fforddiadwy rydyn ni'n ei brofi ar hyn o bryd. Ac mae achosion y pwysau ar y cyflenwad tai yng Nghymru'n gymhleth, wedi bodoli ers amser maith, a dydy o ddim yn gwneud synnwyr—dydy'r ffeithiau ddim yn cyd-fynd â'r awgrym bod modd datrys yr heriau drwy eithrio grwpiau penodol. Dydy gwneud i grwpiau gwahanol gystadlu â'i gilydd ddim yn creu cartrefi nac yn lleihau pwysau ar wasanaethau. Mi wnaf i droi wrth gloi at dai amlfeddiannaeth. Math o gartrefi sy'n cael eu rhannu ydy'r rhain, nid categori mewnfudo. Maen nhw'n darparu cartref i fyfyrwyr, gweithwyr proffesiynol ifanc a phobl eraill sydd angen tai, a dim ond lleiafrif bach sy'n cael eu defnyddio i letya ceiswyr lloches. Mae gan Gymru system reoleiddio glir. Mae angen trwydded ar gartrefi sy'n cael eu rhannu sydd o faint mwy ac yn wynebu risg uwch, ac fe all awdurdodau lleol ehangu'r gofynion trwyddedu pan fydd y dystiolaeth leol yn cyfiawnhau hynny. Fe allan nhw osod amodau, archwilio eiddo, gofyn am welliannau, gosod cosbau, atal cartrefi anniogel rhag cael eu defnyddio, ac erlyn landlordiaid. Fe allan nhw hefyd ddefnyddio pwerau cynllunio pan fydd hynny'n briodol. Dydy llety sy'n cael ei ddefnyddio ar gyfer pobl sy'n ceisio lloches ddim wedi'i eithrio rhag gofynion cynllunio neu drwyddedu, ond yr awdurdodau lleol sydd yn y sefyllfa orau i ddefnyddio'r pwerau hyn am eu bod nhw'n deall y sefyllfa dai lleol a'r pwysau ar gymunedau. Dŷn ni yn parhau i weithio efo cynghorau a Chymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru i asesu a ydy'r fframwaith yn effeithiol ac a oes angen cymorth pellach, a dwi wedi gwneud yn glir y dylai trwyddedu amddiffyn preswylwyr a sicrhau camau rheoli priodol. Mae'n safbwynt ni'n hollol glir: mae tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu dyrannu yn ôl yr angen ac yn unol â phwy sy'n gymwys yn ôl y gyfraith. Mae awdurdodau lleol yn rheoli prosesau trwyddedu a chynllunio mewn perthynas â thai amlfeddiannaeth o fewn y fframwaith cenedlaethol. Y Swyddfa Gartref sy'n penderfynu ble mae llety i geiswyr lloches yn cael ei ddarparu. Mae'r cynnig gwreiddiol yn awgrymu dull o ymdrin â phroblem dai gymhleth sydd yn llawer iawn rhy syml ac yn creu rhwygiadau. Mae gwelliant y Llywodraeth, efo cefnogaeth Lynne Neagle a'r grŵp Llafur, yn adlewyrchu'r gyfraith, yn parchu cyfrifoldebau pob haen o lywodraeth ac yn canolbwyntio ar gamau gweithredu a all wneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol. Felly, dwi'n gofyn i'r Aelodau wrthod y cynnig a chefnogi gwelliant y Llywodraeth. The Reform motion calls for a restriction on access to social housing on the grounds of nationality. We cannot, of course, support that proposal. Social housing is allocated on the basis of housing need among those who are legally eligible. It's not allocated on the basis of nationality, ethnicity, or place of birth. Legislation already controls the right to social housing. Immigration status and legal residence are already key considerations by which to determine someone's eligibility. It's only people who have the right to remain who are eligible for housing support and social housing. Social housing is not allocated to people seeking asylum. We've heard that time and again. The UK Government provides temporary accommodation while a claim is considered. If someone is granted refugee status—and I remind Members that this means that the UK Government has found that the individual has fled from war, fear or persecution—then they may seek housing assistance under the same rules as other households. This motion, therefore, misrepresents the current system. The challenge we face is one of housing supply, and the solution is to build more homes and make the best possible use of the homes that we have. Where is the Reform policy on increasing the supply of social homes? You have no policy on that. People seeking sanctuary and people from other countries who live lawfully in Wales do not get any preferential treatment for housing, and they are not responsible for the shortage of affordable housing that we are currently experiencing. And the causes of the pressure on housing stock in Wales are complex and have existed for a long time, and it makes no sense—the facts don't actually back up that we can actually solve the problem by exempting a particular group. Making different groups compete with each other doesn't create housing or reduce pressure on services. I will turn in conclusion to HMOs. These are shared homes, not an immigration category. They provide homes for students, young professionals and others who need housing, and only a small minority are used to house asylum seekers. Wales has a clear regulation system. You need a licence for HMOs, which are larger and face greater risks, and local authorities can expand the licensing requirement when local factors justify that. They can place conditions, search properties, they can penalise and prevent unsafe accommodation from being used, and they can prosecute landlords. They can also use planning powers when appropriate. Accommodation used for asylum seekers is not exempted from planning or licensing requirements, but it's local authorities who are best placed to use those powers because they understand the local housing situation and the pressure on communities. We continue to work with councils and the Welsh Local Government Association to assess whether the framework is effective and whether further support is required, and I have made it clear that licensing should protect residents and ensure appropriate regulation. Our stance is quite clear: social housing is allocated according to need, in accordance with who qualifies through law. Local authorities manage licensing and planning processes in relation to HMOs within the national framework. The Home Office decides where asylum accommodation is provided. The original motion suggests a simplistic and divisive approach to a complex housing problem. The Government's amendment, with the support of Lynne Neagle and the Labour group, reflects the law, respects the responsibility of each level of government and focuses on actions that can make a real difference. I therefore ask Members to reject the motion and support the Government's amendment. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777006 389 Cy 2026-10-07T17:45:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17457&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17457&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777015 390 Cy 2026-10-07T17:48:37 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17674&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17674&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Galwaf yn awr ar Tom Montgomery i ymateb i'r ddadl. I now call on Tom Montgomery to reply to the debate. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777016 391 En 2026-10-07T17:48:43 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17680&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17680&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom Diolch, Lywydd. May I begin by thanking all Members across the Chamber who have contributed to a lively debate? Let me focus immediately on the people at the heart of this debate: those whose interests Reform believe are in urgent need of our support, the Welsh people. At the end of the summer, 1,954 homeless people, including 102 children, were living in temporary hostel accommodation. A further 2,539 people, including 268 children, were in hotels and bed and breakfasts. That is nearly 4,500 people in Wales without a proper home of their own, nearly 400 children without the security that a proper home provides, and in too many cases without a bedroom of their own. Those are not abstract figures, they are the families whose lives are put on hold because our social housing system is failing to meet their need. Housing is a finite resource—there are only so many homes available at any one time. In the midst of a housing crisis, it is the duty of this Senedd, of the Welsh Government, to decide fairly who should get priority. The position of Reform is plain: Welsh homes should go to Welsh people first, and social housing should serve people with the longest established link to Wales and the United Kingdom. But let me also be clear about what this means: EU nationals who have been granted settled status here have a lawful right to reside here. Reform respects that, and they would not be the target of this policy. Our concern is with a system that can put recent overseas arrivals ahead of the British and Welsh families who have lived, worked, paid taxes and raised their children here, only to find themselves in temporary accommodation or unable to secure a home in their own town. We must not allow subsidised social housing to become a further incentive for people to come here illegally from abroad. At a time when Welsh families are living in hostels, hotels and B&Bs, the first duty of Government must be to the people it is elected to serve. Diolch, Lywydd. A gaf i ddechrau drwy ddiolch i bob Aelod ar draws y Siambr sydd wedi cyfrannu at ddadl fywiog? Gadewch imi ganolbwyntio ar unwaith ar y bobl sydd wrth wraidd y ddadl hon: y bobl y mae Reform o'r farn fod eu buddiannau angen ein cefnogaeth ar frys, sef pobl Cymru. Ar ddiwedd yr haf, roedd 1,954 o bobl ddigartref, gan gynnwys 102 o blant, yn byw mewn llety hostel dros dro. Roedd 2,539 o bobl eraill, gan gynnwys 268 o blant, mewn gwestai a llety gwely a brecwast. Mae hynny'n golygu bron i 4,500 o bobl yng Nghymru heb gartref priodol eu hunain, bron i 400 o blant heb y diogelwch y mae cartref priodol yn ei ddarparu, ac mewn gormod o achosion, heb ystafell wely eu hunain. Nid ffigurau haniaethol yw'r rhain, dyma'r teuluoedd y mae eu bywydau ar stop am nad yw ein system dai cymdeithasol yn diwallu eu hanghenion. Mae tai'n adnodd cyfyngedig—dim ond hyn a hyn o gartrefi sydd ar gael ar unrhyw adeg. Yng nghanol argyfwng tai, dyletswydd y Senedd hon, Llywodraeth Cymru, yw penderfynu'n deg pwy ddylai gael blaenoriaeth. Mae safbwynt Reform yn glir: dylai cartrefi Cymru fynd i bobl Cymru yn gyntaf, a dylai tai cymdeithasol wasanaethu pobl sydd â'r cysylltiad sefydledig hwyaf â Chymru a'r Deyrnas Unedig. Ond gadewch imi ddweud yn glir hefyd beth y mae hyn yn ei olygu: mae gan ddinasyddion yr UE sydd wedi cael statws preswylwyr sefydlog yma hawl gyfreithiol i breswylio yma. Mae Reform yn parchu hynny, ac nid nhw fyddai'n cael eu targedu gan y polisi hwn. Yr hyn sy'n peri pryder i ni yw system sy'n gallu blaenoriaethu dyfodiaid tramor diweddar ar draul y teuluoedd Prydeinig a Chymreig sydd wedi byw, gweithio, talu trethi a magu eu plant yma, ac sy'n gorfod byw mewn llety dros dro neu'n methu sicrhau cartref yn eu tref eu hunain. Rhaid inni beidio â chaniatáu i dai cymdeithasol cymorthdaledig ddod yn gymhelliant pellach i bobl ddod yma o dramor yn anghyfreithlon. Ar adeg pan fo teuluoedd Cymru'n byw mewn hosteli, gwestai a llety gwely a brecwast, rhaid i ddyletswydd gyntaf Llywodraeth fod i'r bobl y cafodd ei hethol i'w gwasanaethu. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776970 392 En 2026-10-07T17:51:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=17819&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=17819&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 12183 12183 Tom Montgomery AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12183 Montomery, Tom We have heard important contributions from colleagues. Joe Martin offered a prospect that I'm sure many on other sides of the Chamber would be pleased to see: him moving to China. [Laughter.] However, should he move there, he would have to find his own house. He would not be housed at the cost of the Chinese state. Our moral responsibility is to put the Welsh and British people first. John Clark rightly highlighted that it is unfair that a person who has paid taxes to our country for decades can be waiting longer for a house than those who have just arrived. And Francesca O'Brien shared some serious—[Interruption.] I think we've had quite enough interventions today, thank you. She shared some serious figures highlighting the scale of this issue and a lack of transparency from some local authorities. I'd like to take a moment to respond to some of the other comments that have been made, starting off with the leader of Welsh Labour. For clarity, Suella Braverman was born in London and is a British citizen, so would be entitled to social housing under this policy. Peter—[Interruption.] Peter, as I've just clarified, EU citizens are not impacted by this policy when they have settled status, although I must say it is hard to take lessons from the Tories about seriousness on immigration. Kiera, the right to buy—[Interruption.] The right to buy gives people the chance to own their own home, one of the greatest equalisers of wealth this country has ever seen. Now, can it be done differently? Of course it can be done differently. But selling one social house can give you the equity to build three more. To simply say that we will not allow—[Interruption.] To simply say that we will not allow working families the opportunity to get on the housing ladder and own their own home is nonsensical. Jayne, it is not divisive to say that the Welsh Government should put the Welsh people first. And to the leader of the Welsh Greens, there is nothing more ugly and hateful than your party declaring that believing that the state of Israel can exist is racist. Of course, reforming allocations alone is not the whole answer. We need to build more homes, but here, too, Wales is being failed. Minister, you spoke about the importance of house building. However, we have exchanged very recently frustrations with the planning system. Planning decisions take months and sometimes years, holding up investment and house building. Rather than acting now to relieve the pressure on planning departments, the Welsh Government has embarked on a three-year review of the national planning framework. Wales cannot afford another three years adrift. The backlog is already severe. The Bevan Foundation estimates that Wales is short of some 9,600 homes. That is the equivalent of building another Llandudno, another Bangor, nearly building a whole other Rhyl. These homes were needed yesterday, before we even start to begin to meet today's targets. That is why Reform wants practical planning reforms, making it easier to create desperately needed homes above high-street shops, seriously restricting the conversion of hotels into HMOs and relieving the burden on overwhelmed planning and housing teams. But while we build for the future, we must also be honest about the homes that we have now and who should have first call on them. This motion proposes a sensible and proportionate measure. It will help ensure that the scarce resource of social homes are available first to the people with the strongest claim on them. This is a principle that this Senedd should be able to support, and I urge Members to do so. Diolch. Clywsom gyfraniadau pwysig gan gyd-Aelodau. Cynigiodd Joe Martin syniad y byddai llawer ar ochrau eraill y Siambr yn falch o'i weld, rwy'n siŵr: ef yn symud i Tsieina. [Chwerthin.] Fodd bynnag, pe bai'n symud yno, byddai'n rhaid iddo ddod o hyd i'w dŷ ei hun. Ni fyddai'n cael cartref ar geiniog gwladwriaeth Tsieina. Ein cyfrifoldeb moesol ni yw rhoi pobl Cymru a Phrydain yn gyntaf. Tynnodd John Clark sylw, yn gywir ddigon, at y ffaith ei bod yn annheg y gall unigolyn sydd wedi talu trethi i'n gwlad ers degawdau fod yn aros yn hwy am dŷ na'r rhai sydd newydd gyrraedd. A rhannodd Francesca O'Brien ffigurau difrifol—[Torri ar draws.] Rwy'n credu ein bod wedi cael digon o ymyriadau heddiw, diolch. Rhannodd ffigurau difrifol yn tynnu sylw at raddfa'r mater hwn a diffyg tryloywder rhai awdurdodau lleol. Hoffwn roi eiliad i ymateb i rai o'r sylwadau eraill a wnaed, gan ddechrau gydag arweinydd Llafur Cymru. Er eglurder, ganwyd Suella Braverman yn Llundain ac mae'n ddinesydd Prydeinig, felly byddai ganddi hawl i dŷ cymdeithasol o dan y polisi hwn. Peter—[Torri ar draws.] Peter, fel rwyf newydd egluro, nid yw dinasyddion yr UE yn cael eu heffeithio gan y polisi hwn pan fydd ganddynt statws preswylwyr sefydlog, er bod yn rhaid imi ddweud ei bod yn anodd derbyn gwersi gan y Torïaid am ddifrifoldeb mewn perthynas â mewnfudo. Kiera, mae'r hawl i brynu—[Torri ar draws.] Mae'r hawl i brynu yn rhoi cyfle i bobl fod yn berchen ar eu cartref eu hunain, un o'r cydraddolwyr cyfoeth mwyaf y mae'r wlad hon wedi'u gweld erioed. Nawr, a ellir gwneud hyn yn wahanol? Wrth gwrs y gellir ei wneud yn wahanol. Ond gall gwerthu un tŷ cymdeithasol roi'r ecwiti ichi adeiladu tri arall. Mae dweud yn syml na fyddwn yn caniatáu—[Torri ar draws.] Mae dweud yn syml na fyddwn yn caniatáu i deuluoedd sy'n gweithio gael cyfle i gamu ar yr ysgol dai a bod yn berchen ar eu cartref eu hunain yn nonsens. Jayne, nid yw dweud y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru roi pobl Cymru yn gyntaf yn ymrannol. Ac i arweinydd Plaid Werdd Cymru, nid oes unrhyw beth hyllach a mwy atgas na'ch plaid chi'n datgan bod credu y gall gwladwriaeth Israel fodoli yn hiliol. Wrth gwrs, nid diwygio dyraniadau'n unig yw'r ateb cyfan. Mae angen inni adeiladu mwy o gartrefi, ond yma hefyd, mae Cymru ar ei cholled. Weinidog, fe sonioch chi am bwysigrwydd adeiladu tai. Fodd bynnag, rydym wedi rhannu rhwystredigaethau gyda'r system gynllunio yn ddiweddar iawn. Mae penderfyniadau cynllunio'n cymryd misoedd ac weithiau blynyddoedd, gan ohirio buddsoddiad ac adeiladu tai. Yn hytrach na gweithredu nawr i leddfu'r pwysau ar adrannau cynllunio, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi dechrau adolygiad tair blynedd o'r fframwaith cynllunio cenedlaethol. Ni all Cymru fforddio tair blynedd arall o fod ar ei hôl hi. Mae'r ôl-groniad eisoes yn ddifrifol. Mae Sefydliad Bevan yn amcangyfrif bod Cymru oddeutu 9,600 o gartrefi yn brin. Mae hynny'n cyfateb i adeiladu Llandudno arall, Bangor arall, adeiladu Rhyl arall bron iawn. Roedd angen y cartrefi hyn ddoe, cyn inni hyd yn oed ddechrau cyrraedd targedau heddiw. Dyna pam y mae Reform eisiau diwygiadau cynllunio ymarferol, gan ei gwneud yn haws i greu cartrefi y mae eu hangen yn ddirfawr uwchben siopau'r stryd fawr, cyfyngu'n ddifrifol ar drosi gwestai yn dai amlfeddiannaeth a lleddfu'r baich ar dimau cynllunio a thai sydd wedi'u gorlethu. Ond wrth inni adeiladu ar gyfer y dyfodol, rhaid inni hefyd fod yn onest am y cartrefi sydd gennym nawr ac i bwy y dylid eu cynnig gyntaf. Mae'r cynnig hwn yn argymell mesur synhwyrol a chymesur. Bydd yn helpu i sicrhau bod adnodd prin tai cymdeithasol ar gael yn gyntaf i'r bobl sydd â'r hawl gryfaf iddynt. Mae hon yn egwyddor y dylai'r Senedd hon allu ei chefnogi, ac rwy'n annog yr Aelodau i wneud hynny. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776991 393 En 2026-10-07T17:55:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18057&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18057&l=cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776992 394 Cy 2026-10-07T17:55:03 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18060&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18060&l=en 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals C 5053 5053 Huw Irranca-Davies AC https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=5053 Llywydd Llywydd Irranca-Davies, Huw Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Diolch. The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [Objection.] There are objections. I will therefore defer voting under this item until voting time.   Thank you.         16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777020 395 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Gohiriwyd y pleidleisio tan y cyfnod pleidleisio. Voting deferred until voting time. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777000 396 Cy 261007-9 8. Dadl Reform UK: Mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor 8. Reform UK Debate: Access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals I Daeth y Dirprwy Lywydd (Kerry Ferguson) i'r Gadair. The Deputy Presiding Officer (Kerry Ferguson) took the Chair. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777001 397 Cy 2026-10-07T17:55:31 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18088&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18088&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Cyfnod pleidleisio: oni bai bod pum Aelod yn dymuno imi ganu'r gloch, symudaf yn syth i'r cyfnod pleidleisio. Gwych, diolch. Felly, cyfnod pleidleisio: eitem 6—dadl Aelodau. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig, dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv), llysoedd cyffuriau ac alcohol teuluol. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Tom Montgomery, Natasha Asghar, Jane Dodds a Sarah Cooper-Lesadd. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. Dyma ganlyniad y bleidlais: o blaid 71, yn ymatal 16 ac yn erbyn 0. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn. That brings us to voting time. Unless five Members wish for the bell to be rung, I will proceed directly to voting time. Excellent, thank you. So, we will first vote on item 6—Member debate. I call for a vote on the motion under Standing Order 11.21(iv), family drug and alcohol courts. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Tom Montgomery, Natasha Asghar, Jane Dodds and Sarah Cooper-Lesadd. Open the vote. Close the vote. The result of the vote is as follows: in favour 71, 16 abstentions and none against. The motion is therefore agreed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777017 398 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 6. Dadl Aelodau o dan Reol Sefydlog 11.21(iv) - Llysoedd Teulu Cyffuriau ac Alcohol: O blaid: 71, Yn erbyn: 0, Ymatal: 16 Derbyniwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7481">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv) - Family Drug and Alcohol Courts: For: 71, Against: 0, Abstain: 16 Motion has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7481">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777018 399 Cy 2026-10-07T17:56:53 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18170&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18170&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf am bleidlais ar gynnig dadl Reform UK, rygbi rhanbarthol. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Llŷr Powell. Os gwrthodir y cynnig, byddwn yn pleidleisio ar y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. O blaid 43, yn ymatal un ac yn erbyn 44. Mae'r cynnig wedi ei wrthod. I now call for a vote on the Reform UK debate on regional rugby. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Llŷr Powell. If the proposal is not agreed, we will vote on the amendment tabled to the motion. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 43, one abstention and against 44. The motion is therefore not agreed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777021 400 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 7. Dadl Reform UK - rygbi rhanbarthol. Cynnig heb ei ddiwygio: O blaid: 43, Yn erbyn: 44, Ymatal: 1 Gwrthodwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7482">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 7. Reform UK Debate - regional rugby. Motion without amendment: For: 43, Against: 44, Abstain: 1 Motion has been rejected<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7482">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777022 401 Cy 2026-10-07T17:58:43 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18280&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18280&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf am bleidlais ar welliant 1 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. I now call for a vote on amendment 1, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan. Open the vote. Close the vote.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777024 402 En 2026-10-07T17:59:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18352&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18352&l=cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry I've never done this before.  Nid wyf erioed wedi gwneud hyn o'r blaen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777025 403 Cy 2026-10-07T17:59:58 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18355&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18355&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry O blaid 44, yn ymatal sero ac yn erbyn 44. Fel sy'n ofynnol o dan Reol Sefydlog 6.20, rwy'n arfer fy mhleidlais fwrw i bleidleisio yn erbyn y gwelliant. Felly, mae'r gwelliant wedi cael ei wrthod. In favour 44, no abstentions and 44 against. As required by Standing Order 6.20, I exercise my casting vote to vote against the amendment. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776988 404 Cy 2026-10-07T18:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18357&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18357&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776990 405 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776994 406 Cy 2026-10-07T18:00:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18376&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18376&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776996 407 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776997 408 Cy 2026-10-07T18:00:49 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18406&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18406&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777031 409 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777033 410 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777039 411 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777040 412 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777028 413 Cy 2026-10-07T18:00:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18376&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18376&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777029 414 Cy 2026-10-07T00:00:00 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=-46443&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=-46443&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776993 415 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 7. Dadl Reform UK - rygbi rhanbarthol. Gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan: O blaid: 44, Yn erbyn: 44, Ymatal: 0 Gan fod nifer y pleidleisiau yn gyfartal, defnyddiodd y Dirprwy Lywydd ei phleidlais fwrw yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 6.20(ii). Gwrthodwyd y gwelliant<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7483">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 7. Reform UK Debate - regional rugby. Amendment 1, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan: For: 44, Against: 44, Abstain: 0 As there was an equality of votes, the Deputy Presiding Officer used her casting vote in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Amendment has been rejected<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7483">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777030 416 Cy 2026-10-07T18:00:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18376&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18376&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Gan nad yw'r Senedd wedi derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio nac wedi derbyn y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig, caiff y cynnig, felly, ei wrthod. Dadl Reform UK, mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. Galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Llŷr Powell. Os gwrthodir y cynnig, byddwn yn pleidleisio ar y gwelliannau a gyflwynwyd i'r cynnig. Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 31, yn ymatal dim, ac yn erbyn 57. Mae'r cynnig wedi'i wrthod. As the Senedd has not agreed the motion without amendment and has not agreed the amendment tabled to the motion, the motion is, therefore, not agreed. We will now move to the vote on the Reform UK debate, access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals. I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Llŷr Powell. If the proposal is not agreed, we will vote on the amendments tabled to the motion. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 31, no abstentions and 57 against. The motion is, therefore, not agreed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776998 417 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 8. Dadl Reform UK - mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. Cynnig heb ei ddiwygio: O blaid: 31, Yn erbyn: 57, Ymatal: 0 Gwrthodwyd y cynnig<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7484">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 8. Reform UK Debate - access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals. Motion without amendment: For: 31, Against: 57, Abstain: 0 Motion has been rejected<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7484">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776999 418 Cy 2026-10-07T18:01:35 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18452&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18452&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf am bleidlais ar welliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan a Lynne Neagle. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 51, yn ymatal dim ac yn erbyn 37. Mae gwelliant 1 wedi'i dderbyn. I now call for a vote on amendment 1, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan and Lynne Neagle. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 51, no abstentions and 37 against. Amendment 1 is, therefore, agreed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777002 419 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 8. Dadl Reform UK - mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. Gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Heledd Fychan a Lynne Neagle: O blaid: 51, Yn erbyn: 37, Ymatal: 0 Derbyniwyd y gwelliant<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7485">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 8. Reform UK Debate - access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals. Amendment 1, tabled in the name of Heledd Fychan a Lynne Neagle: For: 51, Against: 37, Abstain: 0 Amendment has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7485">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777007 420 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time I Cafodd gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. Amendment 2 deselected. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777003 421 Cy 2026-10-07T18:02:15 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18492&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18492&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Galwaf nawr am bleidlais ar y cynnig wedi'i ddiwygio.  I now call for a vote on the motion as amended. Open the vote. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777005 422 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time I Cynnig NDM9313 fel y'i diwygiwyd: Cynnig bod y Senedd:  1. Yn nodi bod tai cymdeithasol yn cael eu dyrannu gan awdurdodau lleol yn unol â deddfwriaeth a chynlluniau dyrannu lleol, gyda blaenoriaeth yn cael ei phennu yn ôl yr angen am dai a chategorïau blaenoriaeth statudol.  2. Yn cydnabod bod cymhwysedd ar gyfer tai cymdeithasol a chymorth digartrefedd yn cael ei lywodraethu gan ddeddfwriaeth, gan gynnwys darpariaethau sy'n ymwneud â statws mewnfudo a phreswyliad cyfreithlon yn y Deyrnas Unedig.  3. Yn credu bod penderfyniadau sy'n ymwneud â thrwyddedu a rheoli tai amlfeddiannaeth yn cael eu gwneud orau gan awdurdodau lleol o fewn y fframwaith a sefydlwyd gan ddeddfwriaeth a chanllawiau Llywodraeth Cymru.  4. Yn nodi bod penderfyniadau ynghylch gwasgariad a llety pobl sy'n ceisio lloches yn cael eu cadw i Lywodraeth y DU ac yn credu y dylai trefniadau gwasgaru effeithiol ystyried capasiti lleol, effaith debygol ar gydlyniant cymunedol a’r gwasanaethau cymorth sydd ar gael.  5. Yn cefnogi ymgysylltu rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth y DU i hyrwyddo trefniadau gwasgaru teg a chynaliadwy ac i gefnogi integreiddio a chydlyniant cymunedol llwyddiannus ledled Cymru.  Motion NDM9313 as amended: To propose that the Senedd:  1. Notes social housing is allocated by local authorities in accordance with legislation and local allocation schemes, with priority determined by housing need and statutory priority categories.  2. Recognises eligibility for social housing and homelessness assistance is governed by legislation, including provisions relating to immigration status and lawful residence in the United Kingdom.  3. Believes decisions relating to the licensing and management of houses in multiple occupation are best taken by local authorities within the framework established by legislation and Welsh Government guidance.  4. Notes decisions regarding the dispersal of and accommodation for people seeking asylum are reserved to the UK Government and believes that effective dispersal arrangements should take account of local capacity, likely impact on community cohesion and the availability of support services.  5. Supports engagement between the Welsh Government and the UK Government to promote fair and sustainable dispersal arrangements and to support successful integration and community cohesion across Wales.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777008 423 Cy 2026-10-07T18:02:19 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18496&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18496&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Agorwch y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 51, yn ymatal dim ac yn erbyn 37. Mae'r cynnig wedi'i ddiwygio wedi'i dderbyn. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 51, no abstentions and 37 against. The motion as amended is, therefore, agreed. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777009 424 Cy 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time V Eitem 8. Dadl Reform UK - mynediad at dai amlfeddiannaeth a thai cymdeithasol i wladolion tramor. Cynnig wedi’i ddiwygio: O blaid: 51, Yn erbyn: 37, Ymatal: 0 Derbyniwyd y cynnig fel y'i diwygiwyd<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7486">Cliciwch i weld canlyniad y bleidlais</a></div> Item 8. Reform UK Debate - access to HMOs and social housing for foreign nationals. Cynnig wedi’i ddiwygio: For: 51, Against: 37, Abstain: 0 Motion as amended has been agreed<div class="voteResultLinkContainer"><a href="record.senedd.wales/VoteOutcome/16314/?#V7486">Click to see vote results</a></div> 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777010 425 Cy 2026-10-07T18:03:32 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18569&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18569&l=en 261007-10 9. Cyfnod Pleidleisio 9. Voting Time C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Ocê. Os yw pobl yn gallu symud allan yn sydyn ac yn dawel er mwyn i ni symud ymlaen i'r ddadl fer. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Diolch—er mwyn chwarae teg i'r rhai sy'n aros am y ddadl fer, er mwyn i ni gael clywed. Okay. If Members could leave quickly and quietly so that we can move to the short debate. Thank you—to be fair to those who are staying for the short debate, so that they can hear. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777012 426 Cy 2026-10-07T18:03:51 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18588&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18588&l=en 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Felly, symudaf nawr i ddadl fer heddiw. Galwaf ar Benjamin Hodge Mckenna i siarad am y pwnc a ddewiswyd ganddo. I will move now to today's short debate. I call on Benjamin Hodge Mckenna to speak to the topic that he has chosen. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777013 427 En 2026-10-07T18:04:01 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18598&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18598&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12142 12142 Benjamin Hodge Mckenna AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12142 Hodge Mckenna, Benjamin Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I'd like to start by offering a minute of my time to Cristiana Emsley, Claire Archibald, John Clark, Gareth Beer, Steve Bayliss, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sera Evans, Alun Cox, Elyn Stephens and Shav Taj. Given the number of contributors, I'm sure we're all going to be incredibly brief on this topic. Now, I'm also sure that it's going to be a debate that is equally as lively as the last one that we just had, on the importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy. In the interest of being brief, why not start at the beginning? Maritime traffic and waterborne trade began in ancient Mesopotamia, where different groups of people would use reed-based boats to transport goods down river. This was then refined by the Phoenicians, who developed the technology into more fervent trade and industrial action across their empire. There is a long history of maritime trade within Wales. Some of the earliest evidence of use of trade ships in Wales comes from a model of a ship that was found to have been created during the Bronze Age here. And, of course, we have a strong history throughout the Iron Age and, indeed, the Roman times, when the Romans used maritime traffic for supply and trade to reinforce their settlements and fortresses, such as the one in Caernarfon. That strong history is maintained through the medieval and industrial periods, where coal and copper was exported all over the world from south Wales. And, of course, my own hometown of Port Talbot has a strong maritime history, hence the name. The coastal harbour there has been in place since the seventeenth century. In 1834, the Aberavon Harbour Company was created and, two years later, it was renamed as the Port Talbot Dock Company. The port opened properly in 1837 and is widely considered to be the first major dock on the south Wales coast, before even Cardiff's was created in its full form. Today, the site in Port Talbot is operated by Associated British Ports. ABP estimates that there is £2.3 billion-worth of trade that passes through their ports in Wales and that it contributes £1.5 billion of gross value added to our economy, supporting 21,800 jobs. Now, the reason for me bringing this topic forward today is to champion the case for the port in Port Talbot. ABP have a vision to invest more than £0.5 billion in the site, creating thousands of jobs in the process, and I urge the Government today to assist them with whatever they need to bring that investment to fruition. I'll conclude by saying that Logistics UK have also said that the port in Port Talbot is well placed to reduce pressure on other ports in Wales and drive growth in the Welsh economy. I call on the Welsh Government to do everything that it can to support investments in our Welsh ports, recognise their importance to the economy and invest in the infrastructure necessary to ensure that our ports in Wales can thrive. Diolch yn fawr. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Hoffwn ddechrau drwy gynnig munud o fy amser i Cristiana Emsley, Claire Archibald, John Clark, Gareth Beer, Steve Bayliss, Sarah Cooper-Lesadd, Sera Evans, Alun Cox, Elyn Stephens a Shav Taj. O ystyried nifer y cyfranwyr, rwy'n siŵr ein bod ni i gyd yn mynd i fod yn anhygoel o fyr ar y pwnc hwn. Nawr, rwy'n siŵr hefyd y bydd yn ddadl sydd yr un mor fywiog â'r un ddiwethaf, ar bwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru. Er mwyn bod yn fyr, beth am ddechrau o'r dechrau? Dechreuodd traffig morwrol a masnach dros y dŵr ym Mesopotamia, lle byddai gwahanol grwpiau o bobl yn defnyddio cychod cyrs i gludo nwyddau i lawr yr afon. Cafodd hyn ei wella gan y Phoeniciaid, a ddatblygodd y dechnoleg yn weithgarwch masnachol a diwydiannol mwy brwd ar draws eu hymerodraeth. Mae hanes hir o fasnach forwrol yng Nghymru. Daw peth o'r dystiolaeth gynharaf o ddefnydd o longau masnach yng Nghymru o fodel o long y darganfuwyd iddi gael ei chreu yma yn ystod yr Oes Efydd. Ac wrth gwrs, mae gennym hanes cryf trwy gydol yr Oes Haearn, a chyfnod y Rhufeiniaid yn wir, pan ddefnyddiai'r Rhufeiniaid draffig morwrol ar gyfer cyflenwi a masnachu i atgyfnerthu eu haneddiadau a'u caerau, fel yr un yng Nghaernarfon. Mae'r hanes cryf hwnnw'n cael ei gynnal trwy'r cyfnodau canoloesol a diwydiannol, pan allforiwyd glo a chopr ledled y byd o dde Cymru. Ac wrth gwrs, mae gan fy nhref enedigol fy hun, Port Talbot, hanes morwrol cryf, sy'n egluro enw'r lle. Mae'r harbwr arfordirol wedi bod yno ers yr ail ganrif ar bymtheg. Ym 1834, crëwyd Cwmni Harbwr Aberafan a ddwy flynedd yn ddiweddarach, fe'i hailenwyd yn Gwmni Dociau Port Talbot. Agorodd y porthladd yn iawn ym 1837 ac ystyrir yn gyffredinol mai dyma oedd y doc mawr cyntaf ar arfordir de Cymru, cyn creu Caerdydd ar ei ffurf lawn hyd yn oed. Heddiw, mae'r safle ym Mhort Talbot yn cael ei weithredu gan Gymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain. Mae'r gymdeithas yn amcangyfrif bod gwerth £2.3 biliwn o fasnach yn mynd drwy eu porthladdoedd yng Nghymru a'i fod yn cyfrannu £1.5 biliwn o werth ychwanegol gros i'n heconomi, gan gefnogi 21,800 o swyddi. Nawr, y rheswm dros gyflwyno'r pwnc yma heddiw yw i hyrwyddo'r achos dros y porthladd ym Mhort Talbot. Mae gan Gymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain weledigaeth i fuddsoddi mwy na £0.5 biliwn yn y safle, gan greu miloedd o swyddi yn y broses, ac rwy'n annog y Llywodraeth heddiw i'w cynorthwyo gyda beth bynnag sydd ei angen arnynt i wireddu'r buddsoddiad hwnnw. Fe wnaf orffen drwy ddweud bod Logistics UK hefyd wedi dweud bod y porthladd ym Mhort Talbot mewn sefyllfa dda i leihau'r pwysau ar borthladdoedd eraill yng Nghymru a sbarduno twf yn economi Cymru. Galwaf ar Lywodraeth Cymru i wneud popeth yn ei gallu i gefnogi buddsoddiadau yn ein porthladdoedd, cydnabod eu pwysigrwydd i'r economi a buddsoddi yn y seilwaith angenrheidiol i sicrhau bod ein porthladdoedd yng Nghymru yn gallu ffynnu. Diolch yn fawr. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 776989 428 En 2026-10-07T18:05:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18657&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18657&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777014 429 En 2026-10-07T18:07:19 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18796&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18796&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12167 12167 Sarah Cooper-Lesadd AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12167 Cooper-Lesadd, Sarah I have visited both the Port of Barry and the Port of Tyne, and the contrast is instructive. No two ports in the UK are the same. Some are privately owned and some by trusts. It is easy to assume one company runs most of them. That's not how it works. The Port of Tyne is the largest trust port in the UK. No shareholders and no owners. Everything it earns is reinvested in the port and the river. In 2024, it added £680 million to the north-east economy. Barry is a different kind of port, but no less important. No containers, no ferries, no passengers. Liquid bulks for the chemical industry, steel, scrap and aggregates. But that specialism is why it matters now. ABP and px Group are developing a clean growth hub here. Over 100 acres for battery materials, rare earth processing, carbon capture and hydrogen. The Tyne shows where that leads. It is the operation base for Dogger Bank, the world's largest offshore windfarm, with over 400 long-term roles. Barry is ready to make the same turn. Wales exported coal from that dock to the whole world. We should be no less ambitious about where we build there next. Rwyf wedi ymweld â Phorthladd y Barri a Phorthladd Tyne, ac mae'r cyferbyniad yn addysgiadol. Nid oes dau borthladd yn y DU yr un fath. Mae rhai'n eiddo preifat a rhai'n eiddo i ymddiriedolaethau. Mae'n hawdd rhagdybio mai un cwmni sy'n rhedeg y rhan fwyaf ohonynt. Nid dyna sut y mae'n gweithio. Porthladd Tyne yw'r porthladd ymddiriedolaeth mwyaf yn y DU. Dim cyfranddalwyr a dim perchnogion. Mae popeth y mae'n ei ennill yn cael ei ailfuddsoddi yn y porthladd a'r afon. Yn 2024, ychwanegodd £680 miliwn at economi gogledd-ddwyrain Lloegr. Mae'r Barri yn fath gwahanol o borthladd, ond nid yw'n llai pwysig. Dim cynwysyddion, dim fferïau, dim teithwyr. Sympiau hylif ar gyfer y diwydiant cemegol, dur, sgrap ac agregau. Ond yr arbenigedd hwnnw yw pam y mae'n bwysig nawr. Mae Cymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain a px Group yn datblygu hyb twf glân yma. Dros 100 erw ar gyfer deunyddiau batri, prosesu prinfwynau, dal carbon a hydrogen. Mae'r Tyne yn dangos i ble mae hynny'n arwain. Dyna yw'r ganolfan weithredu ar gyfer Dogger Bank, y fferm wynt ar y môr fwyaf yn y byd, gyda dros 400 o swyddi hirdymor. Mae'r Barri yn barod i wneud yr un peth. Roedd Cymru'n allforio glo o'r doc hwnnw i'r byd i gyd. Ni ddylem fod ronyn yn llai uchelgeisiol ynglŷn â ble rydym yn adeiladu yno nesaf. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777019 430 En 2026-10-07T18:08:37 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18874&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18874&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12185 12185 Cristiana Emsley AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12185 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12185 Emsley, Cristiana Thank you, Ben, for allowing me to join your debate today. Holyhead should be a warning about what happens when strategic infrastructure is admired in speeches but neglected in practice. In 2024, Holyhead handled more than 85 per cent of Wales's lorry and unaccompanied trailer traffic to and from Ireland, yet, when the port closed, the vulnerability of this vital economic artery was exposed for everyone to see. The previous Labour Government had years to strengthen the infrastructure around it. Instead, Wales was left talking about the A55 resilience, Menai crossings and freight capacity after the weakness had already been exposed. Now, the new Welsh Government promises to strengthen port resilience. Fine, but resilience is not a slogan, it is roads, crossings, contingency capacity and investment. So, my question is simple: what will this Government actually deliver at Holyhead, by when, and how will it measure it? Because Wales does not need another strategy describing the opportunity, we need a Government capable of seizing it. Diolch, Ben, am ganiatáu imi ymuno yn eich dadl heddiw. Dylai Caergybi fod yn rhybudd ynghylch yr hyn sy'n digwydd pan fydd seilwaith strategol yn cael ei edmygu mewn areithiau ond ei esgeuluso'n ymarferol. Yn 2024, fe wnaeth Caergybi ymdrin â mwy nag 85 y cant o draffig lorïau a threlars heb gerbyd tynnu Cymru i ac o Iwerddon, ond pan gaeodd y porthladd, cafodd bregusrwydd y prif lwybr economaidd hanfodol hwn ei amlygu i bawb ei weld. Cafodd y Llywodraeth Lafur flaenorol flynyddoedd i gryfhau'r seilwaith o'i gwmpas. Yn hytrach, gadawyd Cymru i siarad am wydnwch yr A55, y pontydd dros y Fenai a chapasiti cludo nwyddau ar ôl i'r gwendid gael ei ddatgelu eisoes. Nawr, mae Llywodraeth newydd Cymru yn addo cryfhau gwydnwch porthladdoedd. Iawn, ond nid slogan yw gwydnwch, mae'n golygu ffyrdd, pontydd, capasiti wrth gefn a buddsoddiad. Felly, mae fy nghwestiwn yn syml: beth fydd y Llywodraeth hon yn ei gyflawni yng Nghaergybi, erbyn pryd, a sut y bydd yn ei fesur? Oherwydd nid strategaeth arall i ddisgrifio'r cyfle sydd ei hangen ar Gymru, mae angen Llywodraeth sy'n gallu manteisio arno. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777023 431 En 2026-10-07T18:09:57 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18954&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18954&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12175 12175 Shav Taj AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12175 Taj, Shav Dirprwy Lywydd, we are a maritime nation. Our ports have always connected Wales to the wider world, and now they can be at the heart of a renewable energy future. We need that infrastructure, we need the investment and we need secure and affordable energy. But we've also always got to ask who actually benefits. TUC Cymru has warned that the jobs and supply chain opportunities from offshore renewables could end up bypassing Welsh communities, and that cannot be our future. We need apprenticeships, we need good, secure jobs, and we need Welsh engineering, fabrication and marine businesses to benefit. P&O showed us exactly why economic growth must come with decent employment standards, and that's why I welcome the UK Labour Government's progress towards a mandatory seafarers charter that strengthens protections on pay and working conditions. So, my message is a really simple one: I don't want Wales simply to host that infrastructure while somebody else gets to take all of the economic benefit. Investment in Welsh ports must deliver good Welsh jobs, stronger Welsh supply chains, and real benefits for each of our communities up and down the whole of Wales. That is what a just transition will definitely look like. Ddirprwy Lywydd, cenedl forwrol ydym ni. Mae ein porthladdoedd bob amser wedi cysylltu Cymru â'r byd ehangach, ac erbyn hyn gallant fod wrth wraidd dyfodol ynni adnewyddadwy. Mae angen y seilwaith hwnnw, mae angen y buddsoddiad arnom ac mae angen ynni diogel a fforddiadwy. Ond rhaid inni hefyd ofyn bob amser pwy sy'n elwa mewn gwirionedd. Mae TUC Cymru wedi rhybuddio y gallai'r swyddi a'r cyfleoedd yn y gadwyn gyflenwi yn sgil ynni adnewyddadwy ar y môr fynd heibio i gymunedau Cymru, ac ni all hynny ddigwydd yn y dyfodol. Mae angen prentisiaethau arnom, mae angen swyddi da, diogel, ac mae angen i fusnesau peirianneg, saernïo a morol Cymru elwa. Dangosodd P&O i ni'n union pam y mae'n rhaid cael safonau cyflogaeth gweddus yn sgil twf economaidd, a dyna pam rwy'n croesawu cynnydd Llywodraeth Lafur y DU tuag at siarter morwyr gorfodol sy'n cryfhau amddiffyniadau ar faterion cyflog ac amodau gwaith. Felly, mae fy neges yn un syml iawn: rwyf am i Gymru wneud mwy na chynnal y seilwaith hwnnw tra bod rhywun arall yn cael cymryd yr holl fudd economaidd. Rhaid i fuddsoddi ym mhorthladdoedd Cymru ddarparu swyddi da yng Nghymru, cadwyni cyflenwi Cymreig cryfach, a manteision gwirioneddol i bob un o'n cymunedau ledled Cymru gyfan. Yn sicr, dyna fydd pontio teg yn ei olygu. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777052 432 En 2026-10-07T18:10:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=18957&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=18957&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777053 433 En 2026-10-07T18:11:07 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19024&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19024&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12179 12179 Claire Archibald AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12179 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12179 Archibald, Claire When we talk about ports, we should remember that not all Welsh ports play the same role. For Pembrokeshire, Milford Haven is not just a local asset, it is nationally significant infrastructure. In 2024, it handled almost 33 million tonnes of freight and has since become the UK's third largest port by tonnage. It is also responsible for handling the overwhelming majority of liquefied natural gas entering the United Kingdom. This means the Milford Haven port authority is not only supporting jobs and businesses across Pembrokeshire, it is helping to keep the lights on and homes heated across Wales and the wider UK. But strong ports cannot exist in isolation, particularly in rural Wales; they rely on resilient transport links and long-term industrial investment. The question for the Government is not whether Welsh ports are important; the evidence clearly shows they are. The question is whether the Government is turning its commitments on port resilience and economic growth into real investment that allows ports such as Milford Haven to compete, grow and create high-quality jobs for future generations. Diolch. Pan fyddwn yn siarad am borthladdoedd, dylem gofio nad yw pob porthladd yng Nghymru yn chwarae'r un rôl. I sir Benfro, nid ased lleol yn unig yw Aberdaugleddau, mae'n seilwaith o arwyddocâd cenedlaethol. Yn 2024, fe wnaeth ymdrin â bron i 33 miliwn tunnell o nwyddau ac ers hynny mae wedi dod yn drydydd porthladd mwyaf y DU yn ôl tunelledd. Mae hefyd yn gyfrifol am ymdrin â mwyafrif llethol o'r nwy naturiol hylifedig sy'n dod i mewn i'r Deyrnas Unedig. Golyga hyn fod awdurdod porthladd Aberdaugleddau nid yn unig yn cefnogi swyddi a busnesau ledled sir Benfro, mae'n helpu i gadw'r goleuadau ymlaen a chartrefi wedi'u gwresogi ledled Cymru a'r DU yn ehangach. Ond ni all porthladdoedd cryf fodoli ar wahân i bob dim arall, yn enwedig yng nghefn gwlad Cymru; maent yn dibynnu ar gysylltiadau trafnidiaeth gwydn a buddsoddiad diwydiannol hirdymor. Nid a yw porthladdoedd Cymru yn bwysig yw'r cwestiwn i'r Llywodraeth; mae'r dystiolaeth yn dangos yn glir eu bod. Y cwestiwn yw a yw'r Llywodraeth yn troi ei hymrwymiadau ar wydnwch porthladdoedd a thwf economaidd yn fuddsoddiad go iawn sy'n caniatáu i borthladdoedd fel Aberdaugleddau gystadlu, tyfu a chreu swyddi o ansawdd ar gyfer cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777055 434 En 2026-10-07T18:12:15 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19092&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19092&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 330 330 Sera Evans AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=330 Evans, Sera I'd like to thank Ben Hodge Mckenna for giving me a minute of his time to contribute to this short debate. Let me be clear, I am also championing the brilliant Port Talbot. I worry that some of our work, however, around port readiness has come to a bit of a standstill. As our ports evolve into multifunctional industrial hubs, there has to be an expansion of their capacity and readiness to capture the value resulting from flow. It needs to happen simultaneously and at scale. We know that ABP has plans to invest £500 million to this end, as well as an additional £64 million, which was committed in March by the UK Government. But we really still have little idea as to who, in practice, is exercising strategic leadership over port readiness. At present, no single body appears to be orchestrating efforts around Port Talbot's investment needs. It strikes me that the Welsh Government and the local authority should co-lead, but lines of accountability remain opaque. Numerous overlapping groups, with variations of the same individuals appearing across them, have generated, I fear, a diffusion of responsibility. The anticipated capital requirement for Port Talbot of just north of £500 million raises questions that I hope the Cabinet Minister can illuminate for us in his response, namely: do we know who this funding is or should be going to, what it is delivering, and over what timeline? Diolch. Hoffwn ddiolch i Ben Hodge Mckenna am roi munud o'i amser i mi gyfrannu at y ddadl fer hon. Gadewch imi fod yn glir, rwyf innau hefyd yn cefnogi porthladd gwych Port Talbot. Ond rwy'n poeni bod peth o'n gwaith ynglŷn â pharodrwydd porthladdoedd wedi dod i stop braidd. Wrth i'n porthladdoedd esblygu'n hybiau diwydiannol amlswyddogaethol, rhaid ehangu eu capasiti a'u parodrwydd ar gyfer manteisio ar y gwerth sy'n deillio o lif. Mae angen iddo ddigwydd yn gydamserol ac ar raddfa fawr. Gwyddom fod gan Gymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain gynlluniau i fuddsoddi £500 miliwn i'r perwyl hwn, yn ogystal â £64 miliwn ychwanegol, a ymrwymwyd ym mis Mawrth gan Lywodraeth y DU. Ond nid oes gennym fawr o syniad pwy, yn ymarferol, sy'n arfer arweinyddiaeth strategol dros barodrwydd porthladdoedd. Ar hyn o bryd, nid yw'n ymddangos bod un corff yn cyd-drefnu ymdrechion o amgylch anghenion buddsoddi Port Talbot. Mae'n fy nharo i y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru a'r awdurdod lleol arwain ar y cyd, ond mae llinellau atebolrwydd yn parhau i fod yn anhryloyw. Rwy'n ofni bod nifer o grwpiau'n gorgyffwrdd, gydag amrywiadau o'r un unigolion yn ymddangos ar eu traws, wedi arwain at wasgaru cyfrifoldeb. Mae'r gofyniad cyfalaf disgwyliedig ar gyfer Port Talbot o ychydig dros £500 miliwn yn codi cwestiynau y gobeithiaf y gall y Gweinidog Cabinet ein goleuo yn eu cylch yn ei ymateb, sef: a ydym yn gwybod i bwy y mae, neu y dylai'r cyllid hwn fynd, beth y mae'n ei gyflawni, a dros ba amserlen? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777059 435 En 2026-10-07T18:13:49 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19186&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19186&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12169 12169 John Clark AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12169 Clark, John I have two family members working in the merchant navy. Ports are how the north-west Wales economy breathes. Holyhead is the second biggest roll-on, roll-off port in the United Kingdom. In 2024, it handled 1.5 million passengers, nearly four out of every five sea passengers between Wales and Ireland, and 4.3 million tonnes of freight—that is, food, parcels and exports—moving every night across the Irish sea. When storm damage closed the port last winter, the backlog showed how much Britain and Ireland depended on it. The port and its supply chain are worth more than £100 million a year to north Wales, and around 1,000 local jobs rely on it. In Holyhead itself, port work is a major share of local employment. Cruise ships are adding a new stream. Almost 50,000 visitors came ashore at Holyhead last year, spending in shops, on coaches and attractions, from Anglesey and into Snowdonia. And it's not just the ferry port; we've got Caernarfon, Porthmadog and our smaller harbours that sustain fishing, marine services and the visitor economy, the tourist economy, along the Menai strait and all around Anglesey and down the Llŷn peninsula. Reliable berths, reliable roads and rail into them are not a luxury; they are the foundation of our jobs, our trade and our tourism in the north-west. We need to support our ports. Thank you. Mae gennyf ddau aelod o'r teulu sy'n gweithio yn y llynges fasnachol. Porthladdoedd yw'r ffordd y mae economi gogledd-orllewin Cymru yn anadlu. Caergybi yw'r ail borthladd gyrru i mewn ac allan mwyaf yn y Deyrnas Unedig. Yn 2024, roedd yn ymdrin â 1.5 miliwn o deithwyr, bron i bedwar o bob pum teithiwr môr rhwng Cymru ac Iwerddon, a 4.3 miliwn tunnell o nwyddau—hynny yw, bwyd, parseli ac allforion—yn symud bob nos ar draws môr Iwerddon. Pan gaeodd difrod storm y porthladd y gaeaf diwethaf, dangosodd yr ôl-groniad faint oedd Prydain ac Iwerddon yn dibynnu arno. Mae'r porthladd a'i gadwyn gyflenwi yn werth mwy na £100 miliwn y flwyddyn i ogledd Cymru, ac mae tua 1,000 o swyddi lleol yn dibynnu arno. Yng Nghaergybi ei hun, mae gwaith porthladd yn gyfran fawr o gyflogaeth yn lleol. Mae llongau mordeithio'n ychwanegu ffrwd newydd. Daeth bron i 50,000 o ymwelwyr i'r lan yng Nghaergybi y llynedd, gan wario mewn siopau, ar fysiau ac atyniadau, o Ynys Môn ac i mewn i Eryri. Ac nid dim ond y porthladd fferi sydd gennym; mae gennym Gaernarfon, Porthmadog a'n harbyrau llai sy'n cynnal pysgota, gwasanaethau morol a'r economi ymwelwyr, yr economi dwristiaeth, ar hyd afon Menai ac o amgylch Ynys Môn ac ar hyd penrhyn Llŷn. Nid moethusrwydd yw angorfeydd dibynadwy, ffyrdd dibynadwy a rheilffyrdd tuag at y rhain; maent yn sylfaen i'n swyddi, ein masnach a'n twristiaeth yn y gogledd-orllewin. Mae angen inni gefnogi ein porthladdoedd. Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777091 436 En 2026-10-07T18:15:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19257&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19257&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777097 437 En 2026-10-07T18:15:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19279&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19279&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 4491 4491 Alun Cox AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4491 Cox, Alun Can I thank my fellow Member from Afan Ogwr Rhondda for allowing time within this debate? Across the Siambr, we can often agree that certain issues are important, even if we don't agree on what should be done or the specific actions that are necessary. We must also learn from history. I don't intend to go quite into the historic depths that Ben did, and just think about the last 150 years, but we must learn from history to ensure that we don't repeat the mistakes of history, where ports were seen as the quickest way to export wealth out of our communities. So, how do we build wealth within them? We also need to acknowledge the damage that Brexit caused to a number of our ports. But there are opportunities. [Interruption.] But there are opportunities. In Port Talbot, the ambition to become a global hub for floating offshore wind fabrication and other forms of energy is one that should be supported. Indeed, many of these ports can see real opportunities relating to emerging low-carbon technologies or even 'net stupid zero', as some Members describe it. And doesn't it make sense that, in order to maximise the benefits to Wales of the maritime economy, we seek ownership and control of the Crown Estate so that those opportunities are ours to explore and we can invest the profit into further developments? Diolch. A gaf i ddiolch i fy nghyd-Aelod o Afan Ogwr Rhondda am ganiatáu amser yn y ddadl hon? Ar draws y Siambr, gallwn yn aml gytuno bod rhai materion yn bwysig, hyd yn oed os nad ydym yn cytuno ar yr hyn y dylid ei wneud neu'r camau penodol sy'n angenrheidiol. Rhaid inni ddysgu o hanes hefyd. Nid wyf yn bwriadu mynd i'r dyfnderoedd hanesyddol yr aeth Ben iddynt, a meddwl am y 150 mlynedd diwethaf, ond mae'n rhaid inni ddysgu o hanes i sicrhau nad ydym yn ailadrodd camgymeriadau hanes, lle roedd porthladdoedd yn cael eu hystyried fel y ffordd gyflymaf o allforio cyfoeth allan o'n cymunedau. Felly, sut yr awn ati i adeiladu cyfoeth o'u mewn? Hefyd, mae angen inni gydnabod y niwed a achosodd Brexit i nifer o'n porthladdoedd. Ond mae yna gyfleoedd. [Torri ar draws.] Ond mae yna gyfleoedd. Ym Mhort Talbot, mae'r uchelgais i ddod yn hyb byd-eang ar gyfer gwaith saernïo gwynt ar y môr arnofiol a mathau eraill o ynni yn un y dylid ei gefnogi. Yn wir, gall llawer o'r porthladdoedd hyn weld cyfleoedd go iawn yn gysylltiedig â thechnolegau carbon isel newydd neu hyd yn oed 'sero net gwirion', fel y caiff ei ddisgrifio gan rai Aelodau. Ac onid yw'n gwneud synnwyr ein bod ni, er mwyn gwneud y mwyaf o fanteision yr economi forwrol i Gymru, yn ceisio perchnogaeth a rheolaeth ar Ystad y Goron fel bod y cyfleoedd hynny yno i ni eu harchwilio ac fel y gallwn fuddsoddi'r elw mewn datblygiadau pellach? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777098 438 En 2026-10-07T18:16:55 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19372&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19372&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 8650 8650 Gareth Beer AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8650 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8650 Beer, Gareth Thank you, Ben, for the one-minute opportunity here. Ports are gateways to jobs, investment and growth. They are vital to communities across Wales, yet Welsh businesses are being squeezed by high energy costs and held back by poor infrastructure. Congested roads and bottlenecks increase costs and make it harder for exporters and importers and manufacturers to compete. We live in a digital age, but the physical economy still matters. Our ports, roads, railways are foundations of trade and prosperity. The reality is simple: when transport fails, businesses suffer; when energy costs rise, investment goes elsewhere. If we want economic growth, we must back our ports, improve connectivity and remove barriers to investment. In times of potential global food shortages, or even war, and when imports of food are at 40 per cent, one thing is clear—strong ports are not a luxury, they are a necessity. Diolch, Ben, am y cyfle munud yma. Mae porthladdoedd yn byrth i swyddi, buddsoddiad a thwf. Maent yn hanfodol i gymunedau ledled Cymru, ond mae busnesau Cymru'n cael eu gwasgu gan gostau ynni uchel ac yn cael eu dal yn ôl gan seilwaith gwael. Mae tagfeydd ar y ffyrdd yn cynyddu costau ac yn ei gwneud hi'n anos i allforwyr a mewnforwyr a gweithgynhyrchwyr gystadlu. Rydym yn byw mewn oes ddigidol, ond mae'r economi ffisegol yn dal i fod yn bwysig. Mae ein porthladdoedd, ein ffyrdd a'n rheilffyrdd yn sylfeini masnach a ffyniant. Mae'r realiti yn syml: pan fydd trafnidiaeth yn methu, mae busnesau'n dioddef; pan fydd costau ynni'n codi, mae buddsoddiad yn mynd i rywle arall. Os ydym eisiau twf economaidd, rhaid inni gefnogi ein porthladdoedd, gwella cysylltedd a chael gwared ar rwystrau i fuddsoddiad. Mewn cyfnod o brinder bwyd posibl yn fyd-eang, neu ryfel hyd yn oed, a phan fo mewnforion bwyd yn 40 y cant, mae un peth yn glir—nid moethusrwydd yw porthladdoedd cryf, ond anghenraid. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777102 439 En 2026-10-07T18:18:02 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19439&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19439&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12164 12164 Elyn Stephens AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12164 Stephens, Elyn Thank you to Ben for bringing forward this debate and for being so generous with your time. I had a feeling you'd concentrate on Port Talbot, as will I. We cannot allow ports like Port Talbot to be places where the components of the green transition simply arrive and leave. The greater opportunity lies in building the supply chain around them. For floating offshore wind, that means fabrication, welding, pipe fitting, mooring and anchor systems, cables, logistics, installation and long-term maintenance. Port Talbot already has many of those black skills, built through generations of steel making and heavy industry, as other Members have alluded to. We should utilise those transferable skills alongside the robotic mechanics, digital and engineering skills that those new technologies will require. We must also widen who gets those opportunities, with clear routes in for women, school leavers and people from disadvantaged backgrounds into those skilled, well-paid careers. This must be about innovation as well as infrastructure, linking ports, colleges, businesses and research institutions so that Cymru is not simply deploying new technology, but designing, developing and manufacturing it here too. Diolch i Ben am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon ac am fod mor hael gyda'ch amser. Roedd gennyf deimlad y byddech chi'n canolbwyntio ar Bort Talbot, fel y byddaf i. Ni allwn ganiatáu i borthladdoedd fel Port Talbot fod yn lleoedd lle mae cydrannau'r newid gwyrdd ond yn cyrraedd ac yn gadael. Y cyfle mwy yw adeiladu'r gadwyn gyflenwi o'u cwmpas. Ar gyfer gwynt ar y môr arnofiol, mae hynny'n golygu saernïo, weldio, gosod pibellau, systemau angori ac angorau, ceblau, logisteg, gosod a chynnal a chadw hirdymor. Mae gan Bort Talbot lawer o'r sgiliau hynny eisoes, wedi'u hadeiladu trwy genedlaethau o wneud dur a diwydiant trwm, fel y nododd Aelodau eraill. Dylem ddefnyddio'r sgiliau trosglwyddadwy hyn ochr yn ochr â'r sgiliau mecaneg robotig, digidol a pheirianneg y bydd eu hangen ar y technolegau newydd hynny. Rhaid inni hefyd ehangu pwy sy'n cael y cyfleoedd hynny, gyda llwybrau clir i fenywod, rhai sy'n gadael ysgol a phobl o gefndiroedd difreintiedig i mewn i'r gyrfaoedd medrus hyn ar gyflogau da. Rhaid i hyn ymwneud ag arloesedd yn ogystal â seilwaith, gan gysylltu porthladdoedd, colegau, busnesau a sefydliadau ymchwil fel bod Cymru nid yn unig yn defnyddio technoleg newydd, ond yn ei llunio, ei datblygu a'i gweithgynhyrchu yma hefyd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777105 440 Cy 2026-10-07T18:19:14 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19511&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19511&l=en 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Ac yn olaf, Steve Bayliss. Sori, Mark. [Chwerthin.] And finally, Steve Bayliss. Sorry, Mark. [Laughter.] 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777107 441 En 2026-10-07T18:19:22 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19519&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19519&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 8696 8696 Steve Bayliss AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=8696 Bayliss, Steve Diolch, Deputy Llywydd. And thank you to Ben for giving me a minute to contribute. Wales's ports are not simply gateways for freight, they are strategic economic assets, and nowhere is more at stake than Port Talbot. The UK Government is backing the development of a floating offshore wind port there, and the Celtic Freeport projects up to 11,500 jobs. But the port alone won't deliver; it needs roads, rail, grid and skills. The free port's own five-year plan names grid connections as a blocker, and for the first five years prioritises laying the foundations for future skills interventions. So, will the Welsh Government publish every year how many of these jobs go to Welsh workers, and how much of the spending reaches Welsh businesses, so our ports become engines of prosperity rather than gateways through which the economic value passes? Thank you. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. A diolch i Ben am roi munud i mi gyfrannu. Nid pyrth cludo nwyddau yn unig yw porthladdoedd Cymru, maent yn asedau economaidd strategol, ac nid oes unrhyw le sy'n fwy yn y fantol na Phort Talbot. Mae Llywodraeth y DU yn cefnogi datblygu porthladd gwynt ar y môr arnofiol yno, ac mae'r Porthladd Rhydd Celtaidd yn rhagweld hyd at 11,500 o swyddi. Ond ni fydd y porthladd ar ei ben ei hun yn cyflawni; mae angen ffyrdd, rheilffyrdd, grid a sgiliau. Mae cynllun pum mlynedd y porthladd rhydd ei hun yn enwi cysylltiadau grid fel rhwystr, ac am y pum mlynedd gyntaf mae'n blaenoriaethu gosod y sylfeini ar gyfer ymyriadau sgiliau yn y dyfodol. Felly, a wnaiff Llywodraeth Cymru gyhoeddi bob blwyddyn faint o'r swyddi hyn sy'n mynd i weithwyr Cymru, a faint o'r gwariant sy'n cyrraedd busnesau Cymru, fel bod ein porthladdoedd yn dod yn beiriannau ffyniant yn hytrach na phyrth y mae'r gwerth economaidd yn pasio drwyddynt? Diolch. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777041 442 En 2026-10-07T18:20:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19557&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19557&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777043 443 Cy 2026-10-07T18:20:31 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19588&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19588&l=en 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Barod, Weinidog? Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog dros Drafnidiaeth i ymateb i'r ddadl—Mark Hooper.  Ready, Minister? I call on the Deputy Minister for Transport to reply to the debate—Mark Hooper. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777045 444 Cy 2026-10-07T18:20:36 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19593&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19593&l=en 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Deputy Minister for Transport Y Dirprwy Weinidog Trafnidiaeth Hooper, Mark Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Aelod am godi'r ddadl am bwysigrwydd porthladdoedd a thrafnidiaeth forol i economi Cymru. I'm grateful to the Member for raising the importance of port infrastructure and marine traffic to the Welsh economy.  16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777046 445 En 2026-10-07T18:20:50 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19607&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19607&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark You're probably not going to realise how much I actually like ports, but you'll find out after this, because I've got quite a lot I want to say. I'm sure you'd like to go home, but there's a lot in ports. Wales is home to a strong and diverse ports and maritime sector, comprising businesses that consistently demonstrate resilience, innovation and adaptability. Their contribution is fundamental to our economic success, facilitating the movement of vital imports and exports, supporting key industries and providing rewarding careers for thousands of people across our coastal communities. The most recent recorded data from the British Ports Association suggests Welsh ports account for approximately 1.2 per cent of Welsh gross value added, about £560 million, and support almost 11,000 jobs. We recognise the immense value these businesses bring to Wales. While much of their work takes place behind the scenes, it is vital to our daily lives and to the smooth functioning of our economy. As a nation with an extensive coastline, deep water access and a strategic position between Ireland and key international shipping routes, Wales has long relied upon its ports to support trade, investment and economic growth. Today, that role is more important than ever. Perhaps the greatest opportunity for our ports is the transition to clean energy and the growth of offshore renewables. Wales offers many very attractive propositions to the offshore wind sector. For example, in Port Talbot, ABP are completing the essential design and engineering work needed to build one of the first floating offshore wind ports in the UK. This new development will help unlock an initial 4.5 GW of floating offshore wind projects in the Celtic sea, enough to power 6.5 million homes. Another example is Erebus, a proposed floating wind development off the Pembrokeshire coastline. Its significance is not only the turbines offshore, but what comes with them onshore, both in terms of supply chain opportunities and the infrastructure needed to support new offshore industries, such as fabrication, logistics, marine services and long-term maintenance work. In the north, the Awel y Môr offshore windfarm off the coast of the north of Wales is now moving towards construction, and a final investment decision. It will be developed by RWE on behalf of project partners for an area of sea bed to the west of the existing Gwynt y Môr offshore windfarm. Once completed, it will generate power equivalent to the needs of more than half of Wales's homes, as well as creating opportunities throughout its construction, operational and eventual decommissioning process. The Morlais tidal stream energy project manages an area of 35 sq km off the sea bed near Ynys Cybi on Anglesey. The scheme has the potential to generate up to 240 MW of low-carbon clean electricity, and provides further economic opportunities for operations and maintenance of our Welsh ports. The port of Mostyn, a privately owned and operated port in the north of Wales, has been leading the way for fixed offshore wind development, with around 240 people directly employed servicing the offshore wind sector. We will continue to support ports to maximise the opportunities off the coast of the north of Wales and in the Irish sea, at least 7.6 GW with Gwynt y Môr and Mona projects in Welsh seas. Our forthcoming national energy strategy will set out how Wales can secure more clean energy, increase Welsh ownership and retain more economic value within our communities and businesses. Renewable energy will be at the forefront of the national energy strategy, including innovative opportunities such as offshore wind in deeper waters, tidal stream and range, and significant stakeholder input has been collated through activities such as the renewable energy sector deal and offshore wind action plan, to which our major ports have contributed. Much of our offshore and marine renewable energy strategic infrastructure will be located in and around our ports. This will ensure that more of the value created from Wales's natural resources, infrastructure and clean energy transition is retained in Wales, supporting communities, workers and businesses and creating long-term public benefits around the port's hinterlands. Mae'n debyg na fyddwch chi'n sylweddoli faint rwy'n hoffi porthladdoedd, ond fe wnewch chi ddarganfod ar ôl hyn, oherwydd mae gennyf dipyn o bethau rwyf eisiau eu dweud. Rwy'n siŵr y byddech chi'n hoffi mynd adref, ond mae llawer mewn porthladdoedd. Mae Cymru'n gartref i borthladdoedd a sector morwrol cryf ac amrywiol, yn cynnwys busnesau sy'n dangos gwydnwch, arloesedd a gallu i addasu'n gyson. Mae eu cyfraniad yn sylfaenol i'n llwyddiant economaidd, gan hwyluso symud mewnforion ac allforion hanfodol, cefnogi diwydiannau allweddol a darparu gyrfaoedd gwerth chweil i filoedd o bobl ar draws ein cymunedau arfordirol. Mae'r data diweddaraf a gofnodwyd gan Gymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain yn awgrymu bod porthladdoedd Cymru yn darparu oddeutu 1.2 y cant o werth ychwanegol gros Cymru, tua £560 miliwn, ac yn cefnogi bron i 11,000 o swyddi. Rydym yn cydnabod y gwerth aruthrol y mae'r busnesau hyn yn ei dwyn i Gymru. Er bod llawer o'u gwaith yn digwydd y tu ôl i'r llenni, mae'n hanfodol i'n bywydau bob dydd ac i weithrediad llyfn ein heconomi. Fel cenedl gydag arfordir helaeth, mynediad dŵr dwfn a safle strategol rhwng Iwerddon a llwybrau llongau rhyngwladol allweddol, mae Cymru wedi dibynnu ar ei phorthladdoedd ers amser maith i gefnogi masnach, buddsoddiad a thwf economaidd. Heddiw, mae'r rôl honno'n bwysicach nag erioed. Efallai mai'r cyfle mwyaf i'n porthladdoedd yw'r pontio i ynni glân a thwf ynni adnewyddadwy ar y môr. Mae Cymru'n cynnig llawer o gynigion deniadol iawn i'r sector gwynt ar y môr. Er enghraifft, ym Mhort Talbot, mae Cymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain yn cwblhau'r gwaith cynllunio a pheirianneg hanfodol sydd ei angen i adeiladu un o'r porthladdoedd gwynt ar y môr arnofiol cyntaf yn y DU. Bydd y datblygiad newydd hwn yn helpu i ddatgloi 4.5 GW cychwynnol o brosiectau gwynt ar y môr arnofiol yn y môr Celtaidd, digon i bweru 6.5 miliwn o gartrefi. Enghraifft arall yw Erebus, datblygiad gwynt arnofiol arfaethedig oddi ar arfordir sir Benfro. Mae'n arwyddocaol nid yn unig oherwydd y tyrbinau ar y môr, ond yr hyn a ddaw yn eu sgil ar y tir, ar ffurf cyfleoedd i'r gadwyn gyflenwi a'r seilwaith sydd ei angen i gefnogi diwydiannau newydd ar y môr, megis saernïo, logisteg, gwasanaethau morol a gwaith cynnal a chadw hirdymor. Yn y gogledd, mae fferm wynt ar y môr Awel y Môr oddi ar arfordir gogledd Cymru bellach yn symud tuag at gael ei hadeiladu, a phenderfyniad buddsoddi terfynol. Caiff ei datblygu gan RWE ar ran partneriaid prosiect ar gyfer ardal o wely'r môr i'r gorllewin o fferm wynt ar y môr bresennol Gwynt y Môr. Ar ôl ei chwblhau, fe fydd yn cynhyrchu pŵer sy'n cyfateb i anghenion mwy na hanner cartrefi Cymru, yn ogystal â chreu cyfleoedd drwy gydol y gwaith adeiladu, ei gweithrediad a'r broses ddatgomisiynu yn y pen draw. Mae prosiect ynni ffrwd lanw Morlais yn rheoli ardal 35 cilomedr sgwâr oddi ar wely'r môr ger Ynys Cybi ar Ynys Môn. Mae gan y cynllun botensial i gynhyrchu hyd at 240 MW o drydan glân carbon isel, ac mae'n darparu cyfleoedd economaidd pellach ar gyfer gweithredu a chynnal a chadw ein porthladdoedd yng Nghymru. Mae porthladd Mostyn, porthladd preifat yng ngogledd Cymru, wedi bod yn arwain y ffordd ar gyfer datblygiad gwynt ar y môr sefydlog, gyda thua 240 o bobl yn cael eu cyflogi'n uniongyrchol i wasanaethu'r sector gwynt ar y môr. Byddwn yn parhau i gefnogi porthladdoedd i wneud y mwyaf o'r cyfleoedd oddi ar arfordir gogledd Cymru ac ym môr Iwerddon, o leiaf 7.6 GW gyda phrosiectau Gwynt y Môr a Mona ym moroedd Cymru. Bydd ein strategaeth ynni genedlaethol sydd ar y ffordd yn nodi sut y gall Cymru sicrhau mwy o ynni glân, cynyddu perchnogaeth Gymreig a chadw mwy o werth economaidd yn ein cymunedau a'n busnesau. Bydd ynni adnewyddadwy ar y blaen yn y strategaeth ynni genedlaethol, gan gynnwys cyfleoedd arloesol fel gwynt ar y môr mewn dyfroedd dyfnach, ffrwd ac amrediad llanw, ac mae mewnbwn sylweddol gan randdeiliaid wedi'i goladu trwy weithgareddau fel bargen y sector ynni adnewyddadwy a'r cynllun gweithredu ar gyfer gwynt ar y môr, y mae ein prif borthladdoedd wedi cyfrannu atynt. Bydd llawer o'n seilwaith strategol ar gyfer ynni adnewyddadwy ar y môr a morol wedi'i leoli yn ein porthladdoedd ac o'u hamgylch. Bydd hyn yn sicrhau bod mwy o'r gwerth a grëir o adnoddau naturiol a seilwaith Cymru, a phontio i ynni glân yn cael ei gadw yng Nghymru, i gefnogi cymunedau, gweithwyr a busnesau a chreu buddion cyhoeddus hirdymor yng nghyffiniau'r porthladd. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777032 446 En 2026-10-07T18:25:00 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=19857&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=19857&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark Alongside supporting renewable energy generation, the maritime sector itself is undergoing significant transformation as it moves towards decarbonisation. Ports will play a crucial role in enabling the adoption of alternative fuels, supporting cleaner vessel technologies and developing the infrastructure required for low-carbon shipping, and supporting the decarbonisation of transport. This transition presents both challenges and opportunities, creating the potential for innovation, investment and new high-skilled employment across Wales. Maritime traffic remains fundamental to Wales's trading relationships, particularly with Ireland, one of our most important trading partners. The port of Holyhead is—I repeat my line from earlier—the second busiest roll-on, roll-off ferry port in the UK and it is a vital gateway into Wales. In recognition of this, a £150 million scheme is in place to secure the port's long-term future through the refurbishment of its essential and historic breakwater. Holyhead and our other major west coast ferry ports, Fishguard and Pembroke Dock, provide vital international connectivity for goods and people. Despite the adverse impacts of Brexit on the volume of freight using the UK's land bridge between Ireland and the rest of the EU, these ports remain essential to the UK and Irish logistics sector. The economic importance of these Irish sea links were highlighted in December 2024, with the prolonged disruption at Holyhead having a significant impact on businesses on both sides of the water. In response to this, the Irish sea taskforce was created to examine what could be done to avoid a repeat scenario and respond effectively if similar events ever happened again at any Welsh port. I intend to publish a six-month update to the Irish sea taskforce recommendations this autumn. Following this and other similar incidents, the Holyhead Port Authority, Stena Line, has committed to a multi-million pound port infrastructure investment in the berths to strengthen the long-term resilience of this port and modernise its infrastructure for the future. Separately, Stena Line has invested a further £20 million into a new linkspan at Fishguard port, which will strengthen future resilience and connectivity and enhance opportunities for them to increase their roll-on, roll-off traffic and expand their cruise ship offering at the port. Cruise tourism plays a significant role in our maritime economy and, for many visitors, our ports provide their first welcome to Wales. Cruise Wales is a partnership between Welsh Government, our six cruise ports, Welsh tourist destinations and many outside stakeholders. We market six cruise ports in Wales, which are Cardiff, Swansea, Pembroke, Milford Haven, Fishguard and Holyhead. Cruise Wales is an established global brand attracting new cruise lines to Wales. Our ports continue to support a thriving cruise sector. In 2026, 88 cruise calls are scheduled at Welsh ports, bringing over 73,500 passengers and 35,000 crew. This is expected to generate circa £7.6 million in visitor spending, providing a valuable boost to local economies across Wales. Our ports are not simply points of arrival and departure. They are centres of economic activity that support investment, innovation and employment across Wales. Welsh ports have the potential to attract significant investment, stimulate innovation, strengthen strategic industries and create high-quality employment opportunities across Wales. Another example of how important port infrastructure is to our economy is the recently agreed long-term lease and commercial agreement between Associated British Ports and Valero at the port of Cardiff, securing critical supply and storage solutions for liquid fuels across south Wales. The agreement underpins the ongoing operation of Valero's 12-acre liquid fuels terminal at Roath Dock, the largest such facility at the port of Cardiff, and represents a commitment to the future of the port and the Wales energy supply chain. The deal safeguards skilled jobs on site and supports the reliable supply of fuel for households, businesses, airports and commercial fleets across the south of the country. It also takes thousands of HGVs off the road network by using coastal shipping routes to link Cardiff to Valero's Pembroke refinery at Milford Haven, the UK's leading energy port. Ochr yn ochr â chefnogi cynhyrchiant ynni adnewyddadwy, mae'r sector morwrol ei hun wrthi'n cael ei drawsnewid yn sylweddol wrth iddo symud tuag at ddatgarboneiddio. Bydd porthladdoedd yn chwarae rhan hanfodol yn ei gwneud hi'n bosibl mabwysiadu mathau amgen o danwydd, gan gefnogi technolegau llongau glanach a datblygu'r seilwaith sy'n angenrheidiol ar gyfer llongau carbon isel, a chefnogi datgarboneiddio trafnidiaeth. Mae'r trawsnewidiad hwn yn creu heriau a chyfleoedd, a'r potensial ar gyfer arloesi, buddsoddi a chyflogaeth newydd fedrus iawn ledled Cymru. Mae traffig morwrol yn parhau i fod yn sylfaenol i gysylltiadau masnach Cymru, yn enwedig gydag Iwerddon, un o'n partneriaid masnachu pwysicaf. Porthladd Caergybi—rwy'n ailadrodd yr hyn a ddywedais yn gynharach—yw'r ail borthladd fferi gyrru i mewn ac allan prysuraf yn y DU ac mae'n borth hanfodol i Gymru. I gydnabod hyn, mae cynllun £150 miliwn ar waith i sicrhau dyfodol hirdymor y porthladd trwy adnewyddu ei forglawdd hanfodol a hanesyddol. Mae Caergybi a'n prif borthladdoedd fferi eraill ar arfordir y gorllewin, Abergwaun a Doc Penfro, yn darparu cysylltedd rhyngwladol hanfodol ar gyfer nwyddau a phobl. Er gwaethaf effeithiau andwyol Brexit ar gyfaint y nwyddau sy'n defnyddio pont dir y DU rhwng Iwerddon a gweddill yr UE, mae'r porthladdoedd hyn yn parhau i fod yn hanfodol i sector logisteg y DU ac Iwerddon. Tynnwyd sylw at bwysigrwydd economaidd y cysylltiadau hyn dros fôr Iwerddon ym mis Rhagfyr 2024, gyda'r tarfu hir yng Nghaergybi yn cael effaith sylweddol ar fusnesau ar y ddwy ochr i'r dŵr. Mewn ymateb i hyn, crëwyd tasglu môr Iwerddon i archwilio'r hyn y gellid ei wneud i osgoi ailadrodd y sefyllfa ac i ymateb yn effeithiol pe bai digwyddiadau tebyg yn digwydd eto mewn unrhyw borthladd yng Nghymru. Rwy'n bwriadu cyhoeddi diweddariad chwe mis ar argymhellion tasglu môr Iwerddon yr hydref hwn. Yn dilyn hyn a digwyddiadau eraill tebyg, mae Awdurdod Porthladd Caergybi, Stena Line, wedi ymrwymo i fuddsoddiad seilwaith porthladdoedd gwerth miliynau o bunnoedd yn yr angorfeydd i gryfhau gwydnwch hirdymor y porthladd hwn a moderneiddio ei seilwaith ar gyfer y dyfodol. Ar wahân i hynny, mae Stena Line wedi buddsoddi £20 miliwn arall mewn math o bont godi newydd ym mhorthladd Abergwaun, a fydd yn cryfhau gwydnwch a chysylltedd yn y dyfodol ac yn gwella cyfleoedd iddynt gynyddu eu traffig gyrru i mewn ac allan ac ehangu eu cynnig i longau mordeithio yn y porthladd. Mae twristiaeth mordeithio yn chwarae rhan bwysig yn ein heconomi forwrol ac i lawer o ymwelwyr, mae ein porthladdoedd yn darparu eu croeso cyntaf i Gymru. Mae Cruise Cymru yn bartneriaeth rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru, ein chwe phorthladd mordeithio, cyrchfannau twristiaeth Cymru a llawer o randdeiliaid allanol. Rydym yn marchnata chwe phorthladd mordeithio yng Nghymru, sef Caerdydd, Abertawe, Penfro, Aberdaugleddau, Abergwaun a Chaergybi. Mae Cruise Cymru yn frand byd-eang sefydledig sy'n denu llinellau mordeithio newydd i Gymru. Mae ein porthladdoedd yn parhau i gefnogi sector mordeithio ffyniannus. Yn 2026, mae 88 o alwadau mordeithio wedi'u trefnu ym mhorthladdoedd Cymru, gan ddod â dros 73,500 o deithwyr a 35,000 o griw. Disgwylir i hyn gynhyrchu tua £7.6 miliwn mewn gwariant gan ymwelwyr, gan roi hwb gwerthfawr i economïau lleol ledled Cymru. Nid pwyntiau cyrraedd a gadael yn unig yw ein porthladdoedd. Maent yn ganolfannau gweithgarwch economaidd sy'n cefnogi buddsoddiad, arloesedd a chyflogaeth ledled Cymru. Mae gan borthladdoedd Cymru botensial i ddenu buddsoddiad sylweddol, i ysgogi arloesedd, i gryfhau diwydiannau strategol ac i greu cyfleoedd cyflogaeth o ansawdd uchel ledled Cymru. Enghraifft arall o ba mor bwysig yw seilwaith porthladdoedd i'n heconomi yw'r les hirdymor a'r cytundeb masnachol y cytunwyd arnynt yn ddiweddar rhwng Cymdeithas Porthladdoedd Prydain a Valero ym mhorthladd Caerdydd, gan sicrhau atebion cyflenwi a storio hanfodol ar gyfer tanwydd hylif ledled de Cymru. Mae'r cytundeb yn sail i weithrediad parhaus terfynell danwydd hylif 12 erw Valero yn Noc y Rhath, y cyfleuster mwyaf o'r fath ym mhorthladd Caerdydd, ac mae'n cynrychioli ymrwymiad i ddyfodol y porthladd a chadwyn gyflenwi ynni Cymru. Mae'r cytundeb yn diogelu swyddi medrus ar y safle ac yn cefnogi cyflenwad dibynadwy o danwydd ar gyfer cartrefi, busnesau, meysydd awyr a fflydoedd masnachol ledled de Cymru. Mae hefyd yn tynnu miloedd o gerbydau nwyddau trwm oddi ar y rhwydwaith ffyrdd drwy ddefnyddio llwybrau llongau arfordirol i gysylltu Caerdydd â phurfa Penfro Valero yn Aberdaugleddau, prif borthladd ynni'r DU. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777051 447 En 2026-10-07T18:30:34 http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=20191&l=en http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=20191&l=cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 4822 4822 Mark Hooper AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=4822 Hooper, Mark Since taking office—I almost said 'leaving office' then; that would have been good. [Laughter.] Since taking office, I have visited—[Interruption.] Don't start. [Laughter.] I have visited many of our ports to see first-hand the essential role they play in supporting trade, industry and local communities. Whether handling passengers, facilitating freight movements, supporting steel production, construction projects, agriculture or manufacturing, our ports form an integral part of the supply chains that underpin the Welsh economy. It's been fascinating to observe how modern ports operate with such precision, co-ordinating the movement of vessels, cargo and people in a highly complex movement. I was on the bridge of a ferry that docked in Rosslare and I was able to witness the captain be able to berth the ship within six inches of its desired place. This is incredible precision and incredible skill. Welsh ports have a rich sense of history—sorry, I'm going to go to the history now, I've got to go to it—have a rich sense of history and a social and cultural connection to their local communities and surrounding hinterland. I had the pleasure of learning about the connection ports have to their communities during my visit to Fishguard and Rosslare, where they were celebrating the first sea crossing from Fishguard to Rosslare that took place on 30 August 1906. This year marks the hundred and twentieth anniversary of this vital link between Ireland and Wales, connecting generations of families, holidaymakers, businesses and communities on both sides of the Irish sea. It was in 1906 that a newly built harbour and railway opened in Abergwaun, which also brought transatlantic liners to the port, and is still from where Stena Line runs its passenger service to Rosslare. In 1807, Captain John Macgregor Skinner astonished mariners by successfully bringing his ship into Holyhead harbour during an exceptionally severe gale. Little of the current harbour infrastructure, including the sheltering breakwater, existed back then. Captain Skinner had to navigate rough waters and pass numerous rocks and small islands. This continues today, as every operation is carefully managed to ensure goods and services move safely, efficiently and on time, maximising economic value and supporting businesses across Wales and beyond. I recently toured Rosslare port's impressive operations, which are completely different to those that were in place 126 years ago. Rosslare Europort is today a key infrastructure hub for transportation from Ireland to Europe and the UK. Post Brexit, Rosslare has experienced significant growth, particularly in freight traffic and direct ferry services to Europe. Weekly sailings to Europe increased more than sixfold. Welsh ports were not so fortunate. Holyhead and Fishguard ports saw a 30 per cent drop in traffic in 2021, according to their operator, Stena Line. When in Ireland, I met with one of Ireland's leading temperature-controlled logistics companies to better understand their operations and experiences of using the Irish sea crossing between Dublin and Holyhead. We discussed the location of Welsh truck stops for driver welfare across the A55 corridor and how we could best support drivers to use alternative routes across Wales should their usual route not be open. This was followed by a meeting with my counterpart in the Irish Government, Seán Canney. Our discussions focused on strengthening resilience, deepening co-operation, and building the strong relationships necessary to support this vital maritime corridor. These partnerships ensure that, when challenges arise, we can engage rapidly and work collaboratively to deliver effective solutions. I've also—and this talks directly to the point about resilience—asked officials to prepare an internal resilience exercise over the coming months, with key stakeholders on both sides of the Irish sea, focusing on scenario planning in the event of an unforeseen Welsh port closure. The contribution made by Welsh ports in maritime traffic cannot be overstated. They enable trade, support critical supply chains, attract investment, strengthen energy security, create skilled employment, and connect Wales with key international markets. They are essential to our economic prosperity today and will be equally important in helping us to achieve our ambitions for a greener and more resilient economy in the future. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Ers dechrau yn y swydd—bron i mi ddweud 'gadael y swydd'; byddai hynny wedi bod yn dda. [Chwerthin.] Ers dechrau yn y swydd, rwyf wedi ymweld—[Torri ar draws.] Peidiwch â dechrau. [Chwerthin.] Rwyf wedi ymweld â llawer o'n porthladdoedd i weld drosof fy hun y rôl hanfodol y maent yn ei chwarae yn cefnogi masnach, diwydiant a chymunedau lleol. Boed yn ymdrin â theithwyr, hwyluso symudiadau cludo nwyddau, cefnogi cynhyrchiant dur, prosiectau adeiladu, amaethyddiaeth neu weithgynhyrchu, mae ein porthladdoedd yn rhan annatod o'r cadwyni cyflenwi sy'n sail i economi Cymru. Mae wedi bod yn ddiddorol gweld sut y mae porthladdoedd modern yn gweithredu gyda'r fath gywirdeb, gan gydlynu symudiad llongau, cargo a phobl mewn symudiadau cymhleth iawn. Roeddwn ar bont lywio fferi a ddociodd yn Rosslare a gwelais y capten yn angori'r llong o fewn chwe modfedd i'w lle. Mae'n gywirdeb anhygoel ac yn sgìl anhygoel. Mae gan borthladdoedd Cymru ymdeimlad cyfoethog o hanes—mae'n ddrwg gennyf, rwy'n mynd i droi at yr hanes nawr, rhaid imi droi ato—mae ganddynt ymdeimlad cyfoethog o hanes a chysylltiad cymdeithasol a diwylliannol â'u cymunedau lleol a'r cyffiniau. Cefais y pleser o ddysgu am y cysylltiad sydd gan borthladdoedd â'u cymunedau yn ystod fy ymweliad ag Abergwaun a Rosslare, lle roeddent yn dathlu'r croesiad môr cyntaf o Abergwaun i Rosslare a ddigwyddodd ar 30 Awst 1906. Mae'r cyswllt hanfodol hwn rhwng Iwerddon a Chymru yn 120 oed eleni, ac mae wedi cysylltu cenedlaethau o deuluoedd, pobl ar eu gwyliau, busnesau a chymunedau ar ddwy ochr môr Iwerddon. Ym 1906 agorwyd harbwr a rheilffordd newydd yn Abergwaun, a ddaeth â llongau trawsatlantig i'r porthladd hefyd, a dyma ble mae Stena Line yn rhedeg ei wasanaeth teithwyr i Rosslare o hyd. Ym 1807, synnodd y Capten John Macgregor Skinner forwyr trwy lwyddo i ddod â'i long i mewn i harbwr Caergybi mewn tymestl eithriadol o arw. Ychydig o'r seilwaith harbwr presennol, gan gynnwys y morglawdd cysgodol, oedd yn bodoli bryd hynny. Roedd yn rhaid i'r Capten Skinner lywio dyfroedd garw a phasio nifer o greigiau ac ynysoedd bach. Mae hyn yn parhau heddiw, wrth i bob gweithrediad gael ei reoli'n ofalus i sicrhau bod nwyddau a gwasanaethau'n symud yn ddiogel, yn effeithlon ac yn brydlon, gan uchafu gwerth economaidd a chefnogi busnesau ledled Cymru a thu hwnt. Yn ddiweddar, fe ymwelais â gweithgarwch trawiadol porthladd Rosslare, sy'n hollol wahanol i'r hyn oedd ar waith 126 mlynedd yn ôl. Mae Rosslare Europort heddiw yn ganolfan seilwaith allweddol ar gyfer cludiant o Iwerddon i Ewrop a'r DU. Ar ôl Brexit, mae Rosslare wedi profi twf sylweddol, yn enwedig mewn traffig cludo nwyddau a gwasanaethau fferi uniongyrchol i Ewrop. Cynyddodd nifer yr hwyliadau wythnosol i Ewrop fwy na chwe gwaith trosodd. Nid oedd porthladdoedd Cymru mor ffodus. Gwelodd porthladdoedd Caergybi ac Abergwaun ostyngiad o 30 y cant yn nifer y teithiau yn 2021, yn ôl eu gweithredwr, Stena Line. Pan oeddwn yn Iwerddon, cyfarfûm ag un o brif gwmnïau logisteg Iwerddon ar gyfer nwyddau y rheolir eu tymheredd i ddeall eu gwaith yn well, a'u profiadau o ddefnyddio croesfan môr Iwerddon rhwng Dulyn a Chaergybi. Fe wnaethom drafod lleoliad arosfannau lorïau Cymru er lles gyrwyr ar draws coridor yr A55 a sut y gallem gefnogi gyrwyr yn y ffordd orau i ddefnyddio llwybrau amgen ledled Cymru os nad oedd eu llwybr arferol ar agor. Dilynwyd hyn gan gyfarfod gyda fy swyddog cyfatebol yn Llywodraeth Iwerddon, Seán Canney. Canolbwyntiodd ein trafodaethau ar gryfhau gwydnwch, dyfnhau cydweithrediad, ac adeiladu'r cysylltiadau cryf sy'n angenrheidiol i gefnogi'r coridor morwrol hanfodol hwn. Mae'r partneriaethau hyn yn sicrhau, pan fydd heriau'n codi, y gallwn ymgysylltu'n gyflym a gweithio'n gydweithredol i ddarparu atebion effeithiol. Hefyd—ac mae hyn yn cysylltu'n uniongyrchol â'r pwynt am wydnwch—rwyf wedi gofyn i swyddogion baratoi ymarfer gwydnwch mewnol dros y misoedd nesaf, gyda rhanddeiliaid allweddol ar y ddwy ochr i fôr Iwerddon, gan ganolbwyntio ar gynllunio senarios pe bai porthladdoedd Cymru'n cau'n annisgwyl. Ni ellir gorbwysleisio'r cyfraniad a wneir gan borthladdoedd Cymru o ran traffig morwrol. Maent yn galluogi masnach, yn cefnogi cadwyni cyflenwi hanfodol, yn denu buddsoddiad, yn cryfhau diogeledd ynni, yn creu swyddi medrus, ac yn cysylltu Cymru â marchnadoedd rhyngwladol allweddol. Maent yn hanfodol i'n ffyniant economaidd heddiw ac fe fyddant yr un mor bwysig wrth ein helpu i gyflawni ein huchelgeisiau ar gyfer economi wyrddach a mwy gwydn yn y dyfodol. Diolch yn fawr iawn. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777125 448 Cy 2026-10-07T18:35:17 http://www.senedd.tv/cy/16314?startPos=20474&l=cy http://www.senedd.tv/en/16314?startPos=20474&l=en 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy C 12177 12177 Kerry Ferguson AS https://business.senedd.wales/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 https://busnes.senedd.cymru/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=12177 Deputy Presiding Officer Dirprwy Lywydd Ferguson, Kerry Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Weinidog. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Benjamin, am ddod â'r ddadl fer i'r Siambr. Daw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben. Thank you very much, Deputy Minister. Thank you, Benjamin, for bringing that short debate to the Chamber. That brings today's proceedings to a close. 16314 7 2026-10-07T13:30:01 777127 449 Cy 261007-11 10. Dadl Fer: Pwysigrwydd seilwaith porthladdoedd a thraffig morwrol i economi Cymru 10. Short Debate: The importance of port infrastructure and maritime traffic to the Welsh economy I Daeth y cyfarfod i ben am 18:35. The meeting ended at 18:35.